Rod Graves

[cardsfanmd]

We're with the pack this year, not behind it. IMO, it's asking a little much to go from lagging way behind of rookie signings to being ahead of the curve.

Agreed. I guess my point was that Graves should be in enough constant communication with the agent that he should have been aware of the guy's schedule and been able to to work around it. It is his duty to the Bidwills, and Whisenhunt to have these guys in camp on time. How he goes about doing it is irrelevent, he needs to have it done. If this was the first or second time this happened I wouldn't be saying all of this, but how he gets a "free pass" so to speak to fail at this part of his job EVERY YEAR is amazing to me.

I am really curious to know how many other GMs in the NFL have NEVER gotten a first round pick in on time.

 

[cardsfanmd]

Of the 32 teams, only Washington and Philadelphia have all of their players signed. I count close to 100 players still not shown as being signed.

Yes, but what you and many others are failing to do is read where the article says what has actually been accomplished. NOTHING. This deal isn't even close to being finished. I get the feeling many here read this and thought, "OK the agent will be back in town soon and they will wrap things up". WRONG!! The agent will be back when he is and then they will be essentially begining negotiations.

 

[Sandan]

And what you are failing to do is remember that it takes two to tango.

I guess though this is all RG's fault though. I have to agree though with you though in saying he is incompetent. Mostly because to disagree gets one pissed on.

 

[cardsfanmd]

And what you are failing to do is remember that it takes two to tango.

I guess though this is all RG's fault though. I have to agree though with you though in saying he is incompetent. Mostly because to disagree gets one pissed on.

If you have been getting peed on, that sounds like a personal problem you should address with the culprit rather than succomb to their tyrany of raining urine.

 

[joeshmo]

And what you are failing to do is remember that it takes two to tango.

As usual the mean old bully agents are picking on the Cardinals once again. We hear this excuse very year, its getting tired.

It does take two to tango but the question is why is always harder for the Agents to Tango with the Cards? After so many years of the same exact problem I think it is safe to assume we have two left feet.

Graves has done a lot of good things but getting rookies in on time is still without question an aspect he has not fixed yet, not sure why that is even debatable at this point in time. It is OK to say he doesnt do something well and still think he is doing an overall good job lately.

 

[earthsci]

Yes, but what you and many others are failing to do is read where the article says what has actually been accomplished. NOTHING. This deal isn't even close to being finished. I get the feeling many here read this and thought, "OK the agent will be back in town soon and they will wrap things up". WRONG!! The agent will be back when he is and then they will be essentially begining negotiations.

40 wasn't saying that it is fine and OK. He was addressing DaisyCutter who said...

Most of the teams in the NFL have all of their players ready to go.

...which is absolutely false.

 

[earthsci]

Even as a moderate drinker of the kool-aid, I have to ask why this happens absolutely every year. Graves and the Bidwills are the only consistant.

 

[cardsfanmd]

40 wasn't saying that it is fine and OK. He was addressing DaisyCutter who said...
...which is absolutely false.

my bad

 

[Stout]

As usual the mean old bully agents are picking on the Cardinals once again. We hear this excuse very year, its getting tired.

It does take two to tango but the question is why is always harder for the Agents to Tango with the Cards? After so many years of the same exact problem I think it is safe to assume we have two left feet.

Graves has done a lot of good things but getting rookies in on time is still without question an aspect he has not fixed yet, not sure why that is even debatable at this point in time. It is OK to say he doesnt do something well and still think he is doing an overall good job lately.

Exactly Joe. I wasn't as worried when I first read it was a missed meeting, figuring it was simply a formality to wrap up the deal. Then to find out that hey haven't even agreed on structure yet, let alone money, AND they can't manage to meet, so soon before camp...yeah, that's incompetence. Sure, the agent probably bears some of the blame for it, but a lot of it fall in Rod Graves' lap. So many other things seem to be going right, both for Rod and the organization. Right now, contracts are not one of them.

 

[DaisyCutter]

And what you are failing to do is remember that it takes two to tango.

I guess though this is all RG's fault though. I have to agree though with you though in saying he is incompetent. Mostly because to disagree gets one pissed on.

I guess check one off the list: http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/showpost.php?p=1771108&postcount=15

A brief sample of the kinds of posts that may be seen starting around the opening of camp:

1. X number of teams still haven't signed their first/second rounders. I bet fans on their boards aren't calling them out.

[Through first week of camp]

2. This time isn't really important. I won't be worried until [arbitrary time period] or most of the draft picks are signed.

[After 20-25 teams have signed all of their draft picks]

3. It takes two to tango, fellas. It's easy to blame this on the Cards, but you don't have any proof that this agent isn't being unreasonable in his demands.

 

[cardsfanmd]

I guess check one off the list: http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/showpost.php?p=1771108&postcount=15

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[40yearfan]

Yes, but what you and many others are failing to do is read where the article says what has actually been accomplished. NOTHING. This deal isn't even close to being finished. I get the feeling many here read this and thought, "OK the agent will be back in town soon and they will wrap things up". WRONG!! The agent will be back when he is and then they will be essentially begining negotiations.

Only 6 out of the 31 first rounders are signed at this time. Looks like everyone is having a rough time.

 

[cardsfanmd]

Only 6 out of the 31 first rounders are signed at this time. Looks like everyone is having a rough time.

How many have accomplished nothing with their 1st rounders and are late getting their first pick into camp every year.

Please just give it up man. I know you love the team as much as anyone and just cant bear to badmouth a member of it, but at some point you've got to just accept reality and call a spaid a spaid. RG sucks at signing draft picks, let it be what it is.

 

[Mulli]

BIM spade.

 

[40yearfan]

www.spaid.org

How many have accomplished nothing with their 1st rounders and are late getting their first pick into camp every year.

Please just give it up man. I know you love the team as much as anyone and just cant bear to badmouth a member of it, but at some point you've got to just accept reality and call a spaid a spaid. RG sucks at signing draft picks, let it be what it is.

 

[Mulli]

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I guess check one off the list: http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/showpost.php?p=1771108&postcount=15

Yeah that's clever and all.

I could do the same with the fact that if Graves and Co. have never signed a 1st rounder in time for camp why there is such shock and awe every year.

It's bad business don't get me wrong but if it happens every year why get into such a hissy fit about it year in and year out.

Levi Brown:
http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb...ng-brown-94207.html?highlight=Levi+Brown+sign

Matt Leinart:
http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/printthread.php?t=75820&pp=15&page=14

It just goes on and on.

Note..... There are some great old threads when you go back and search through the ASFN chronicles.

DCR is not going to be in camp on time. I would say he is signed before the 1st preseason game, and thus will be designated to NB for the year.

 

[Mulli]

Yeah that's clever and all.

I could do the same with the fact that if Graves and Co. have never signed a 1st rounder in time for camp why there is such shock and awe every year.

It's bad business don't get me wrong but if it happens every year why get into such a hissy fit about it year in and year out.

Levi Brown:
http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb...ng-brown-94207.html?highlight=Levi+Brown+sign

Matt Leinart:
http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/printthread.php?t=75820&pp=15&page=14

It just goes on and on.

Note..... There are some great old threads when you go back and search through the ASFN chronicles.

DCR is not going to be in camp on time. I would say he is signed before the 1st preseason game, and thus will be designated to NB for the year.

Great post. I say he misses the first game. Don't really care that much.

 

[Russ Smith]

Yeah that's clever and all.

I could do the same with the fact that if Graves and Co. have never signed a 1st rounder in time for camp why there is such shock and awe every year.

It's bad business don't get me wrong but if it happens every year why get into such a hissy fit about it year in and year out.

Levi Brown:
http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb...ng-brown-94207.html?highlight=Levi+Brown+sign

Matt Leinart:
http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/printthread.php?t=75820&pp=15&page=14

It just goes on and on.

Note..... There are some great old threads when you go back and search through the ASFN chronicles.

DCR is not going to be in camp on time. I would say he is signed before the 1st preseason game, and thus will be designated to NB for the year.

While it's certainly true the world won't end if DCR isn't in camp on time saying it happens every year is sort of the same as saying "but we've always done it that way".

It's true, it doesn't make it right and if people simply bend over and accept the kick in the pants every year that just makes it easier for the Cards to convince us that they're victims of another evil agent.

I do fully agree that DCR will get signed and he'll be in camp eventually and he wasnt' expected to start from Day 1 anyways but in the end it doesn't help the team one iota to consistently have the top pick sign late. There's no benefit to them doing this every year at some point they have to say well we tried that last year and it didn't work lets try something new.

 

[joeshmo]

I could do the same with the fact that if Graves and Co. have never signed a 1st rounder in time for camp why there is such shock and awe every year.

It's bad business don't get me wrong but if it happens every year why get into such a hissy fit about it year in and year out.

People know when a hurricane is coming yet there is still shock and awe at the damage that is caused afterwards. Just because you know its coming doesnt make it any less of an issue.

 

[Mulli]

People know when a hurricane is coming yet there is still shock and awe at the damage that is caused afterwards. Just because you know its coming doesnt make it any less of an issue.

Looks like complaining about hurricanes accomplishes about the same as complaining about Graves.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

People know when a hurricane is coming yet there is still shock and awe at the damage that is caused afterwards. Just because you know its coming doesnt make it any less of an issue.

I guess.

But good symbolism there Joe.

To take it a bit further. The hurricane symbol is great because once each hold out begins you never know the damage until it is over.

It could do nothing like a Hurricane Fitzgerald..which was more like a tropical storm.

Or it could be the catastrophe like a Hurricane Bryant...which leaves nothing but waste.

As for DCR, I didn't expect him to be in camp on time. The minute Campbell was signed I was happy, since I knew there was no way Graves could get DCR in camp on time. That just doesn't happen in Cardinal land.

 

[DaisyCutter]

Rugby, I'm not concerned about DRC getting into camp in time. There are lots of days of camp; Dom can miss some of them. I'm not going to be concerned unless his holdout runs more than, say, 10 days. Sure, it's an abritrary date, but you'd like to make sure that he's had some meaningful training before going out in the preseason games, right?

That said, I was merely making an observation about how some of the people for whom Rod Graves can't even do one single thing below the NFL average will step up to defend him. That nidan used almost exactly the same wording that was predicted a week ago made it even funnier. As does 40yr basically saying #1 already in this thread.

I was unhappy with Boldin and Dockett passing on the OTAs. Why shouldn't I be unhappy with Rod Graves for failing to do what it takes to get his first-round draft pick into camp on time? Just because it happens doesn't mean that we shouldn't expect the best from the franchise, right?

 

[Russ Smith]

Hey enough hurricane talk. Some of us are headed to a fishing trip in Baja in a few days and hoping like hell none of those pesky hurricanes ruin our trip this year.

 

[Matt L]

Rugby, I'm not concerned about DRC getting into camp in time. There are lots of days of camp; Dom can miss some of them. I'm not going to be concerned unless his holdout runs more than, say, 10 days. Sure, it's an abritrary date, but you'd like to make sure that he's had some meaningful training before going out in the preseason games, right?

That said, I was merely making an observation about how some of the people for whom Rod Graves can't even do one single thing below the NFL average will step up to defend him. That nidan used almost exactly the same wording that was predicted a week ago made it even funnier. As does 40yr basically saying #1 already in this thread.

I was unhappy with Boldin and Dockett passing on the OTAs. Why shouldn't I be unhappy with Rod Graves for failing to do what it takes to get his first-round draft pick into camp on time? Just because it happens doesn't mean that we shouldn't expect the best from the franchise, right?

Do you think that Wendell Bryant level of play was a direct result of missing most of training camp or do you think that he was a bum prior to camp and just held out so he could get enough for early retirement?