Rod Graves

[40yearfan]

Whitehurst had one completely average game. His other games were complete garbage. The announcers last night stated that he was on the verge of being cut at the end of the year.

That is the case, however Whitehurst was Whiz's first choice. I just wonder what kind of a season we would have had if Whiz had gotten the person he wanted. We might have won 3 or 4 of those close games and be in the play-offs.

 

[azsouthendzone]

You don't seem to be considering the possibility that the Cards went cheap on him so he couldn't replace Dansby, bring in depth at corner, etc. Or course he has blame, but Graves is has much of the blame as well.

Good point assuming Whiz wanted dansby.

 

[Shane]

Good point assuming Whiz wanted dansby.

He wanted him. No doubt.

 

[Mulli]

He wanted him. No doubt.

If he didn't, I will cry.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Good point assuming Whiz wanted dansby.

yeah, I'm sure he was just salivating over Paris Lennon instead of Dansby... even though Wiz named Dansby a Captain and the quarterback of the defense since he got here.

assuming he DIDN'T want Dansby is idiotic.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Whitehurst had one completely average game. His other games were complete garbage. The announcers last night stated that he was on the verge of being cut at the end of the year.

I wish the Cards QB's had at least 1 average game . We'll never know what Whitehurst would have done here. You can't judge his season up in Seattle and project it here. It's 2 completely different situations. He probably would have been the starter here from game 1.

 

[conraddobler]

The most instructive thing about this thread is that it exists.

It means heat is reaching it's target and they're bringing out the deflectors.

This is good, it means that at least people can see there is a problem, step one of solving anything, avoid blame and look for someone else to hand it to.

Check.

In the long dead tradition of the buck stopping here or actually knowing your butt from a hole in the ground it's always your fault ALWAYS when you're in charge, if you delegate control and they screw up, then it's still your fault.

So what I would say about all of this is that their process and ideas of how to run a team are stupid, childish and it's amature hour on steroids.

GM's who don't watch film?

Well okie dokie, we'll remember that when Graves is taking credit for our drafts, like he did after DG, wonder if he watched film then?

 

[azsouthendzone]

The most instructive thing about this thread is that it exists.

It means heat is reaching it's target and they're bringing out the deflectors.

This is good, it means that at least people can see there is a problem, step one of solving anything, avoid blame and look for someone else to hand it to.

Check.

In the long dead tradition of the buck stopping here or actually knowing your butt from a hole in the ground it's always your fault ALWAYS when you're in charge, if you delegate control and they screw up, then it's still your fault.

So what I would say about all of this is that their process and ideas of how to run a team are stupid, childish and it's amature hour on steroids.

GM's who don't watch film?

Well okie dokie, we'll remember that when Graves is taking credit for our drafts, like he did after DG, wonder if he watched film then?

+1

 

[azsouthendzone]

yeah, I'm sure he was just salivating over Paris Lennon instead of Dansby... even though Wiz named Dansby a Captain and the quarterback of the defense since he got here.

assuming he DIDN'T want Dansby is idiotic.

I think it is safe to say he was salivating over Doucet over Boldin so why would it be such a stretch to think the same of Dansby?

 

[ASUCHRIS]

I think it is safe to say he was salivating over Doucet over Boldin

I think it's safe to say you're talking out of your ass about this, as usual. Show me one shred of evidence that this is true.

 

[Gandhi]

I think Whiz was under some pretty strong restrictions from the Bidwills this season because of the whole uncertainty with the CBA.

Whiz gets a raise and a contract extension, but then has to work with a rather limited budget. Make the best of it.
I think that could have been the deal.

 

[Hypothesis]

I listened to the same segment too. Jurecki was pointing out how much of a yes man Graves is and that he doesn't have the stones to say no to Mike B. and that he doesn't watch film on potential draft picks/FA's. Stated that Whis refers to Steve Keim for draft input, and that Keim isn't a highly sought after talent evaluator. And the statement that most gets me, is when he said that Michael Bidwill is more involved in personnel decisions than what the public sees. Stated a comparison of Michael Bidwill to Jerry Jones but said good ol' Jer is more involved and has more camera time.

Whis doesn't have any previous experience at scouting and evaluating players to my knowledge and Graves has minimal experience. I like Keim, but I think we need an upgrade in the scouting department. Think we need to get rid of the yes man mentality and get a gm that can lend a hand doing some quality talent evaluations.

 

[vinnymac]

The obvious is that the Cardinals need to get a quarterback. They also need to get an offensive and defensive cordinator. Eric Magini and Josh McDaniels is my vote. Both of them seem to be a younger verision of Charlie Weis and Romeo Crennel.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I listened to the same segment too. Jurecki was pointing out how much of a yes man Graves is and that he doesn't have the stones to say no to Mike B. and that he doesn't watch film on potential draft picks/FA's. Stated that Whis refers to Steve Keim for draft input, and that Keim isn't a highly sought after talent evaluator. And the statement that most gets me, is when he said that Michael Bidwill is more involved in personnel decisions than what the public sees. Stated a comparison of Michael Bidwill to Jerry Jones but said good ol' Jer is more involved and has more camera time.

Whis doesn't have any previous experience at scouting and evaluating players to my knowledge and Graves has minimal experience. I like Keim, but I think we need an upgrade in the scouting department. Think we need to get rid of the yes man mentality and get a gm that can lend a hand doing some quality talent evaluations.

ugh

 

[Cheesebeef]

ugh

reverend!

seriously, that jureki report basically means we have NO ONE who has a clue at talent evaluation. And with the 5th pick, what sure fire talent are we gonna pass on to take the next Levi Brown?! Can't wait to see it!

Fire Graves, hire a real freaking GM. I mean, it's only been, what... 10 YEARS SINCE WE'VE HAD ONE?!

 

[CtCardinals78]

If that is true this FO is so freaking bush league. Somehow, I am not surprised. This is exactly why teams like the Patriots and Ravens hit on a lot of their draft picks. The powers that be take time to scout and develop talent and teams like the Cardinals don't and the products show up on Sunday. Graves is not a great GM, and although it's not entirely a Wiz problem, I think Wiz and his staff are awful at developing talent. This is why the Cardinals seem to be in a re-building mode year after year and the Patriots seem to re-tool. I have no doubt that if Tom Brady were to retire after this season that Bill Belichick would find an adequate replacement and still have a Super Bowl caliber team for 2011.

 

[Evil Ash]

The obvious is that the Cardinals need to get a quarterback. They also need to get an offensive and defensive cordinator. Eric Magini and Josh McDaniels is my vote. Both of them seem to be a younger verision of Charlie Weis and Romeo Crennel.

Oh please no. If we went with a McDaniels/Whisenhunt coaching staff, we'd never run the ball

 

[conraddobler]

I just got to keep comming back to after DG was fired and what Rod said after that, I don't remember excactly what he said but I'd like to see that back and forth again because everyone seemed to take it as if he was right there shoulder to shoulder drafting players.

Maybe he meant literally, as in I turned in the card.

Gosh I hope he meant that, especially if he didn't watch film then, cause if he's pulling the trigger on drafting players and not watching film, OMG.

Maybe he did watch film then and just dosen't now? That would explain the promotion = less work more pay.

This team would make a great reality show, I dare them to open it up and film them running the team, I double dog dare them to do it.

I got a feeling it would be a smash hit, but in a OMG kinda way.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

in Keim's defense, the Cards have hit on alot of late round choices,which shows good scouting and seemed to have a promising draft class last year. The flabbergasting thing is the lack of success in the 2nd and 3rd rounds lately. Getting late rounders into productive NFL players is only going to get you so far. You need to hit on the more talented higher round guys and have the late rounders be the complementary players. In reality, the Cards have had way too many UDFA's making the roster and playing significant roles to be an elite team. It's always nice to root for the lesser talented, hard working guys but they are UDFA's and lower rated players because their talent level dictates that.

 

[vinnymac]

Oh please no. If we went with a McDaniels/Whisenhunt coaching staff, we'd never run the ball

When the Cardinals went to the super-bowl they wern't running the ball very well or the season after that. So what does it matter.

 

[Duckjake]

What percentage of your posts of late do you think would be directly related to your hatred of Whiz? 95%? You were a broken record on the subject a month ago, I don't know what is beyond a broken record, but you're already past that as well.

We get it...you hate Whiz, and 99% of the blame for the season is directly at his feet. You really don't need to repeat yourself ad nauseum.

Come on. Everybody on here does it. How long is it before Shane responds to a post on BWells saying Wells sucks or Hightower is better? How long before 40year disagrees with any post bashing the front office, 3 minutes maybe? Same for Nidan. Everyone has their Agenda. Especially me.

My Agenda is trying not to jinx anymore players and advocating for a friggin' DEFENSE!

 

[Duckjake]

Yes, you can, if Cards went cheap on him so he couldn't replace Dansby, bring in depth at corner, etc. Or course he has blame, but Graves is has much of the blame as well.

Which they did.

I may be making a wrong assumption but this would appear to mean that the Bidwills haven't learned anything in 40 years. Since their meddling with personnel caused Coryell to quit and go to San Diego.

And Shane I know you didn't want Dansby.

However, even though your other favorite Daryl W didn't win Rookie of the Year or have a 100 tackles the kid shows some real talent. The Cards just need to get some bigger guys around him and he'll be blowing up plays for us for years.

Oh wait, NO, Washington is terrible!!! He's too small to play LB in the NFL and is yet another wasted Cardinal draft pick.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Come on. Everybody on here does it.

I don't believe that's true. I think most on here have a pretty wide range of issues they hit on, while several others have an almost religious devotion to hitting the same issue over and over again.

 

[vinnymac]

This is the same FO that took the Cardinals to the Super-Bowl. Just like Bickley said they do deserve a Muligan.

 

[red desert]

This is the same FO that took the Cardinals to the Super-Bowl. Just like Bickley said they do deserve a Muligan.

They are going to get a mulligan. Sure they deserve it. Doesn't mean they are going to advantage of the opportunity. I think Wiz is overrated. And my feelings are that he will fail.

Just like everyone else on this board, I so hope I'm dead wrong.