Roland: Joining Packers A 'No-Brainer'

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Roland: Joining Packers A 'No-Brainer'
by Jason Bellamy, Packers.com
posted 01/30/2004

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After a quarter-century coaching in the NFL, one can afford to be selective.

And so when Johnny Roland's seven-year tenure as running backs coach of the Arizona Cardinals ended last month, along with head coach Dave McGinnis' termination, he considered walking away from the game.

"Retirement kind of entered my mind, but really just for a fleeting moment," said Roland, who Friday was named the seventh running backs coach in Green Bay Packers history. "I had options. If I had an opportunity to take a job I was going to be selective about who I worked for and the job that I was going to go to.

"I was looking (for coaching positions), but I wasn't actively looking. I was kind of in that nebulous spot of making up my mind. But once I got to Green Bay and was sold on (GM/Head Coach Mike Sherman) and on the rest of the staff it was just a no-brainer."

To say that Roland wasn't actively looking for work would be an understatement.

The same man who coached NFL all-time leading rusher Walter Payton during latter part of his career and who groomed Payton's replacement, Neal Anderson, into Chicago's No. 2 all-time rusher, didn't even formally apply for the Packers position, which was left open by the departure of Sylvester Croom to become the head coach of Mississippi State.

Earlier this week, having already turned down a job with the Cleveland Browns, Roland contacted Packers offensive linebackers coach Larry Beightol -- whom he'd worked with at the New York Jets in 1993-94 -- to put in a good word for a colleague who was in the hunt for a player operations position.

And it was then that Beightol went from O-line coach to recruiting coordinator.

"'Beck' told me, after I got done with my spiel on my recommendation, 'Oh, by the way, I think we have a running back job that's open here. Would you mind if I submit your name to Coach Sherman?'" Roland recounted in a conference call Friday afternoon.

"I said, 'No, I'm not looking for a job, but go ahead and if it works it works and if it doesn't it doesn't.' I got a call from Coach Sherman on Tuesday, I was (in Green Bay to interview) Wednesday and inked the deal on (Thursday). So things happened pretty quickly."

It's almost as if it was meant to be. Roland, 60, began his coaching career in Green Bay 30 years ago when he was a special assignments coach under Dan Devine, who had coached him at Missouri.

Roland said he had no specific duties at the time, but moved back and forth to assist with both the offensive and defensive aspects of the game while he himself learned the coaching ropes.

It didn't take long for Roland to specialize. In 1976 he became the running backs coach of the Philadelphia Eagles. And other than four seasons he spent out of football from 1979-82, it's been his role ever since.

"That's what I played in the league for eight years and that's what I know and that's what I'm good at," Roland said of coaching running backs.

Now Roland inherits a Packers backfield that includes three-time Pro Bowler Ahman Green, plus promising youngsters Najeh Davenport and Tony Fisher.

It's a group Roland says he was excited to be involved with, stating that Green has the ability to be a great running back in the mold of Payton.

"I think he has those qualities," Roland said. "Obviously it all depends on staying healthy and him dedicating himself in his offseason workout program, but obviously you've got to be lucky too.

"(Green) is a workhorse guy and you want to use him and use him a lot, but you don't want to really burn him out either ... Ahman has the greater speed (than Payton), but Walter had great quickness, he had the elusive running style. I think Ahman probably runs with a more physicalness even though Walter had a great physicality about him."

Roland is currently living in Tempe, Ariz. His Packers duties will officially begin February 9.

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It's too bad he had to move on. Roland and Fitz were two coaches I wanted to stick around. Oh well. Good RB coach and seemed like a real good guy, too. Wish him well.
 

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Originally posted by azdad1978
Wasn't it Roland who wanted Alexander but Tobin/Ferguson took Jones anyway? Dooh!!!!:barf: :bang: :computer: :hammer: :doi:

Good memory. You are correct.

Johnny Roland, Jeff FitzGerald and Jerry Sullivan were the best coaches on McGinnis' staff. It's no surprise they are already reemployed.
 

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Originally posted by azdad1978
Wasn't it Roland who wanted Alexander but Tobin/Ferguson took Jones anyway? Dooh!!!!:barf: :bang: :computer: :hammer: :doi:

Yep. I was higher on Jamal Lewis and Shaun Alexander as well.

But I'm biased; I love SEC football so I rate SEC backs higher than other conferences.
 

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Roland is inheriting the finest corps of runningbacks in the NFL. Possibly in the history of the NFL. Any of their runningbacks could start for the Cards.
 

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Originally posted by kerouac9
Roland is inheriting the finest corps of runningbacks in the NFL. Possibly in the history of the NFL. Any of their runningbacks could start for the Cards.

I don't know about THAT! Tony Fisher is a nice player, as is Davenport (huge character concerns with him), but it's a stretch to say that they're better than a guy who has had back-to-back 800 yard seasons.
 

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Originally posted by Jim Omohundro
[ Roland contacted Packers offensive linebackers coach Larry Beightol -- whom he'd worked with at the New York Jets
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No wonder they havea good running game. They have OFFENSIVE LINEBACKERS. How can the Cards get some?
 

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Originally posted by Skkorpion
Good memory. You are correct.

Johnny Roland, Jeff FitzGerald and Jerry Sullivan were the best coaches on McGinnis' staff. It's no surprise they are already reemployed.

I agree. There was a tangible improvement in the RB corp last year and alot of it must be attributed to Roland IMO. The fitzgerald hiring in BAL was good for BAL but puzzling to me with Singletary as their LB coach and from everything I read there was universal praise for his job by the guys he coached.

I presume you mean Jerry Sullivan the WR coach and not Jerry Sullivan the OC :D
 

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Re: Re: Roland: Joining Packers A 'No-Brainer'

Originally posted by LVCARDFREAK
No wonder they havea good running game. They have OFFENSIVE LINEBACKERS. How can the Cards get some?

Stomp on Ray Thompson's foot.
 

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Originally posted by Krangthebrain
I don't know about THAT! Tony Fisher is a nice player, as is Davenport (huge character concerns with him), but it's a stretch to say that they're better than a guy who has had back-to-back 800 yard seasons.

Davenport averaged 5.5 ypc over 77 carries and scored 2 TDs. He also had a long run of 76 yards. And he's a fullback. Would you rather have him or James "The Big Disappointment" Hodgins (2.1 career YPC) Fisher averaged 5 on 40 carries and scored a TD. He also had 21 catches for 206 yards and 2 TDs. 6'1", 222. Do you think that the Packers would straight-up trade this guy for Shipp? I don't.
 

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Whoa, whoa...

First a caveat that I am no football offensive guru, I get paid to look at computers all day, this is merely my observations. My question is this:

If he was so great, why were we constantly always dead last in running, why is it so hard for our runningbacks to get 100 yards in 1 game, let alone 1000 yards in a season. I know some of that falls onto the offensive line, but our runningback situation has been down right pitiful over the last decade
 

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Originally posted by Ryanwb
Whoa, whoa...

First a caveat that I am no football offensive guru, I get paid to look at computers all day, this is merely my observations. My question is this:

If he was so great, why were we constantly always dead last in running, why is it so hard for our runningbacks to get 100 yards in 1 game, let alone 1000 yards in a season. I know some of that falls onto the offensive line, but our runningback situation has been down right pitiful over the last decade


Because Marcel Shipp is god awful! :rolleyes:





(not to mention the line that couldnt block consistently all year, the defense playing 8 in the box, and the QB play that couldnt keep them honest)
 

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Originally posted by Ryanwb
If he was so great, why were we constantly always dead last in running, why is it so hard for our runningbacks to get 100 yards in 1 game, let alone 1000 yards in a season. I know some of that falls onto the offensive line, but our runningback situation has been down right pitiful over the last decade

Damn hard to get more than 1 ypc when you have a DT standing where the hole is supposed to be.
 

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Originally posted by LVCARDFREAK
Because Marcel Shipp is god awful! :rolleyes:





(not to mention the line that couldnt block consistently all year, the defense playing 8 in the box, and the QB play that couldnt keep them honest)

Everything LV said...except of course the Shipp thing :D

Place it all in context. Yeah, the Cards were again near the bottom but it comes down to 9 other guys making their blocks and the RB having the vision to run (that cannot be taught). It requires a QB to force the D into respecting the pass and it also requires the game circumstances to dictate being able to run the ball. Too often one or all these things were absent.

I make the claim about Roland by seeing a sizable improvement in aspects of Shipp and Anderson's games...specifically their ability to recognize and pick up blitzes. That is coached and that is what separates Roland. He improved the RB corp while other coaches on the staff remained stagnant or actually lowered the abilities of the positions they coached.

I think we, as fans, expect too much from our position coaches sometimes. For instance, there isn't very much a guy like Roland can do to suddenly make Shipp or Anderson a 1200 yard runner short of breaking down film and showing them what to look for formation-wise and how to recognize blitzes and how to pick them up. He can do everything to set them up for success but once they are between the lines, he is largely powerless when the ball is snapped.

In these aspects, I believe Roland did his job...and did it well. I agree with K9 that he now gets to work with arguably the best RB stable top to bottom in the league.
 

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Originally posted by kerouac9
Davenport averaged 5.5 ypc over 77 carries and scored 2 TDs. He also had a long run of 76 yards. And he's a fullback. Would you rather have him or James "The Big Disappointment" Hodgins (2.1 career YPC) Fisher averaged 5 on 40 carries and scored a TD. He also had 21 catches for 206 yards and 2 TDs. 6'1", 222. Do you think that the Packers would straight-up trade this guy for Shipp? I don't.

Davenport isn't a traditional blocking back, he is a halfback with a fullbacks body.

Well if you choose to look at everything so myopically, of course you'll think they're (Davenport and Fisher) are better.

Look at the context. Jerry Sullivan was an awful offensive coordinator. The Cards only had one legitimate receiving threat. The offensive line was used horribly (did anyone else cringe everytime we ran a sweep?). You choose to believe that all things remain equal (ceteris paribus), and that's clearly not the case if you look context.

Would Ahman Green have put up the same numbers on our team last year? Probably not.
 

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Did that article say that Roland is only the 7th Running Backs coach the Packers have had? Geez, the Cards must have had almost that many since coming to Arizona.
Not sure what that means, but its strange if true.
 

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I agree with the observation that it's hard to evaluate RB's because O-line play has such influence on their productivity.

At issue is whether RB's coached by Johnny got better at their craft while under his wing (and whether they might have done even better with a different RB coach). - did they pick up blitzes better, protect the ball better, use their blockers better, escape the initial tackler better, "see the hole" better etc.?

Maybe a few among us with coaching experience who've watched a lot of tape of our RB's would know this. Otherwise, it's hard to say. All we really have to go on is hearsay.
 

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