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First let me say that I'm ecstatic on how the Cards have played the last two weeks. It appears each player is giving everything they have on every down, except one particular player...Antrel Rolle.

He seems to be the only player on the team to have actually gotten worse since the hiring of the new coaching staff. Here's the bad part, I'm of the opinion it's his attitude and not ability that's dragging him down.

For example, on our 2nd to last kick off after Racker's field goal I watched the entire line charge down field when Neil kicked. Rolle, who was the gunner on the far side, simply jogged down field while the rest of the special team unit was sprinting. Yes the ball was kicked into the back of the end zone and ended up a touchback, however there was no way for Rolle to know this at the time. Unless he was hurt this was a display of laziness.:thumbdown

What gives? I don't get it?

Kudos to the rest of the players, my recommendation to you all, stay away from the David Boston wannabe.
 

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Only the crappiest of players dog it on special teams.
 

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At this point I say we trade his ass for a 4th or 5th rounder. He flat out sucks and is the biggest BUST in the history of this franchise...
 

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I find it ironic that immediately after the game the post game comments by Kwame was how Rolle played well and needed to be ready in case he moves back to starting over guys who can't tackle. People will find 1 or 2 plays to complain about.
 

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I honestly think he's pouting because his ass got benched.
 

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At this point I say we trade his ass for a 4th or 5th rounder. He flat out sucks and is the biggest BUST in the history of this franchise...

Biggest bust? Hardly.

Plus, no way anyone gives us a 4th or 5th. We'd have to release him for him to suit up for another team.
 

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At this point I say we trade his ass for a 4th or 5th rounder. He flat out sucks and is the biggest BUST in the history of this franchise...

Unless we have a lot of extra cap space left over and we want to take a big dead cap space hit next offseason as well. It isnt going to happen this season or most likely not even this coming offseason as the cap hits would still be to high.

I am not denying that he is making to much money for the role he is now playing or you saw what you saw on one particular play but I have to say I think Rolle is playing very well in his nickel back roll at this point in time and has 2 special teams tackles in 2 games.
 

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Can't remember the exact series, but on a key 3rd down in the 3rd quarter, Rolle was in and of course, Hasselbeck went right at him. Rolle was never in the play and his man (Engram)was wide open and converted the 3rd down. I think it was like a 3rd and 9 play that ended up going for 20 yards or so... I sit in section 102 and had a birds-eye view. I actually saw Rolle come into the game and never took my eye off him as I just knew the Hawks would go right at him... They did but hey, he did make the tackle!
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Can't remember the exact series, but on a key 3rd down in the 3rd quarter, Rolle was in and of course, Hasselbeck went right at him. Rolle was never in the play and his man (Engram)was wide open and converted the 3rd down. I think it was like a 3rd and 9 play that ended up going for 20 yards or so... I sit in section 102 and had a birds-eye view. I actually saw Rolle come into the game and never took my eye off him as I just knew the Hawks would go right at him... They did but hey, he did make the tackle!
:bang:
I think that pass was to Engram...
 
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I find it ironic that immediately after the game the post game comments by Kwame was how Rolle played well and needed to be ready in case he moves back to starting over guys who can't tackle. People will find 1 or 2 plays to complain about.


Uh 1 or 2 plays? Try 100 in his career. Yes it was one play however laziness at any point in time is flat out inexcusable. As stated he could have been hurt, if so my apologies.
 

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I honestly think he's pouting because his ass got benched.

No, he didn't seem like that at all. He was genuinely pumped up and slapping helmets with Eric Green out there. He seems to have been taking the demotion in stride.

He's just not very good.
 

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No, he didn't seem like that at all. He was genuinely pumped up and slapping helmets with Eric Green out there. He seems to have been taking the demotion in stride.

He's just not very good.

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Where's Leonard Davis when you need him? Rolle could pick one off and return it for a TD but someone would complain that he didn't get to end zone fast enough. So, on the KO coverage, from your birdseye seats, did you know what coverage the Cards were in? Maybe the kick was supposed to go the opposite side and Rolle was the guy to hang back and have backside coverage. If Rolle was a problem, or couldn't play, i'm sure he would've been dealt with by now and been released. See Davis,Buster. It cracks me up when fans watching from the stands or on TV make assumptions about players states of mind. I remember a couple years ago that Walter was making assumptioins based on Anquan Boldin's body language :doi:.
 

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Where's Leonard Davis when you need him? Rolle could pick one off and return it for a TD but someone would complain that he didn't get to end zone fast enough. So, on the KO coverage, from your birdseye seats, did you know what coverage the Cards were in? Maybe the kick was supposed to go the opposite side and Rolle was the guy to hang back and have backside coverage. If Rolle was a problem, or couldn't play, i'm sure he would've been dealt with by now and been released. See Davis,Buster. It cracks me up when fans watching from the stands or on TV make assumptions about players states of mind. I remember a couple years ago that Walter was making assumptioins based on Anquan Boldin's body language :doi:.

I agree with this. Not everyone is supposed to go full steam ahead on kickoffs. If so, and someone gets past the initial wedge, they'd be gone. In fact, we have seen it all too many times.
 

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Where's Leonard Davis when you need him? Rolle could pick one off and return it for a TD but someone would complain that he didn't get to end zone fast enough. So, on the KO coverage, from your birdseye seats, did you know what coverage the Cards were in? Maybe the kick was supposed to go the opposite side and Rolle was the guy to hang back and have backside coverage. If Rolle was a problem, or couldn't play, i'm sure he would've been dealt with by now and been released. See Davis,Buster. It cracks me up when fans watching from the stands or on TV make assumptions about players states of mind. I remember a couple years ago that Walter was making assumptioins based on Anquan Boldin's body language :doi:.

Not really... Cutting Davis meant very little to our cap, versus the hit we would take with letting Rolle go...
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Can't remember the exact series, but on a key 3rd down in the 3rd quarter, Rolle was in and of course, Hasselbeck went right at him. Rolle was never in the play and his man (Engram)was wide open and converted the 3rd down. I think it was like a 3rd and 9 play that ended up going for 20 yards or so... I sit in section 102 and had a birds-eye view. I actually saw Rolle come into the game and never took my eye off him as I just knew the Hawks would go right at him... They did but hey, he did make the tackle!
:bang:

For that particular play it was a scheme issue rather then a player missing an assignment. We ran a zone during that play and Branch found the hole in the zone between Rolle and Wilson.
 

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For that particular play it was a scheme issue rather then a player missing an assignment. We ran a zone during that play and Branch found the hole in the zone between Rolle and Wilson.


I really don't think so... It was Engram and not Branch so perhaps we're thinking of two different plays. I watched Rolle the entire play. He looked completely lost the minute the ball was hiked. He was manned up on Engram - playing about 2-3 yards off him... Engram gave him one quick move and Rolle was left holding his jock, wondering where Engram went... It was sad actually... I was embarrassed for Antrel.
 

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For that particular play it was a scheme issue rather then a player missing an assignment. We ran a zone during that play and Branch found the hole in the zone between Rolle and Wilson.

I was wondering that too. It was hard to see on the replay at the stadium and also on the TV. Was Rolle going out into the flat on a zone, while Hood was in man down the sideline? That's what it looked like to me...the WR ran to Rolle who backpeddled 10 yards or so and kind of checked him and then ran off to the side...then the ball got to the WR in between Rolle and Wilson.

Either Rolle lost his flippin mind, or his assignment was to cover the zone in the flat, selling it as man early.

It was an odd play. We discussed whose fault that was at the time.
 

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I could give a hoot about Rolle's state of mind...

I care that he produces comensurate to his talent, and in that reagard, he has failed miserably.

He flat out stinks...

Either make him a safety or send him packing...
 

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Rolle has been okay as a nickle back so far. He certainly hasn't been torched in either game yet. Now, whether that continues.....

As Kwame said, at some point this year we'll almost certainly need him to fill in for Green or Hood.


As for the cap, part of the machinations this year was moving a bunch of his bonus and incentives onto this year. That means we can't cut him now, but we could easily release him after the season.
 

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The key factor in any personnel move - especially in the midst of regular season - has to be: "Will the net impact of that move one that helps our football team the most?"

While Antrel has frustrated most of us, ask yourself: "If not Antrel, who?"

Who out there in Free Agent or Trade Ville would help our football team more than Antrel?

I don't think there are any corners available nor - if we were to release or trade him and add someone to bolster another position - could we afford to weaken our depth at corner right now.

The better play would be for us to keep him and try to get maximum use from him (without trusting him to start unless forced to) while hoping that Tyral Austin will somehow "make the light bulbs go on" for Antrel. If things work out, we'll wind up with another good corner. If they don't, we can always jettison him at the end of the season.
 
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So, on the KO coverage, from your birdseye seats, did you know what coverage the Cards were in? Maybe the kick was supposed to go the opposite side and Rolle was the guy to hang back and have backside coverage. If Rolle was a problem, or couldn't play, i'm sure he would've been dealt with by now and been released.


I've yet to see a kick off coverage where a player's assignment is to lolly gag down the sideline. But hey I'm just a caveman.

Jeff's post makes a lot of sense, cutting him isn't really an option. As I stated before I'm most concerned at what appears to me to be a lack of effort. I for one believe he has comparable skills to Green or Hood; he just doesn't put in the effort mentally or physically to get the most out of what he has.
 

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I've yet to see a kick off coverage where a player's assignment is to lolly gag down the sideline. But hey I'm just a caveman.

Jeff's post makes a lot of sense, cutting him isn't really an option. As I stated before I'm most concerned at what appears to me to be a lack of effort. I for one believe he has comparable skills to Green or Hood; he just doesn't put in the effort mentally or physically to get the most out of what he has.

I believe that if he was truly dogging it, he wouldn't be on the field. I'll trust this staff until I have reason not to. They see what you see and are giving him a lot of playing time. I'm thinking their interpretation is a bit different than yours.
 
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