Rolle Away

[abomb]

He's just not very good.

Bump.

 

[D-Dogg]

Bump.

Man, he got flat out TOASTED on that route. I mean toasted.

 

[WisconsinCard]

He is just not a corner at this level. He was so turned arourd it was almost comical. I was looking at him and thinking did he even know the situation? Wasa his head even in the game.

 

[Bobcat]

I honestly think he's pouting because his ass got benched.

I agree...!!! But on some other teams bench...!!! My nickname for him is so true. Rolle is "CHARMIN" "He is so Squezzibly Soft"...!!!

BOBCAT

 

[DaisyCutter]

It wasn't so long ago that people here were saying that he was one of the 11 best players on the defense and they'd have to find a way to get him on the field.

Rolle is not very good. May be a good athlete, but so was Michael Stone and Tommy Knight. Rolle does not seem like much of a football player right now.

 

[SECTION 11]

It's way too early to give up on this guy.

 

[abomb]

It's way too early to give up on this guy.

He's had three seasons.

 

[john h]

First let me say that I'm ecstatic on how the Cards have played the last two weeks. It appears each player is giving everything they have on every down, except one particular player...Antrel Rolle.

He seems to be the only player on the team to have actually gotten worse since the hiring of the new coaching staff. Here's the bad part, I'm of the opinion it's his attitude and not ability that's dragging him down.

For example, on our 2nd to last kick off after Racker's field goal I watched the entire line charge down field when Neil kicked. Rolle, who was the gunner on the far side, simply jogged down field while the rest of the special team unit was sprinting. Yes the ball was kicked into the back of the end zone and ended up a touchback, however there was no way for Rolle to know this at the time. Unless he was hurt this was a display of laziness.

What gives? I don't get it?

Kudos to the rest of the players, my recommendation to you all, stay away from the David Boston wannabe.

Rolle lacks the speed and quickness to cover one on one and you cannot cover up a lack of speed. We are doing with him what we did with Davis and that is have him at the wrong position. He clearly could be a better possible FS. Since Wilson has that locked up we are screwed. As the announcers noted our DB's gave up over 300+ yards in offense. Partly due to a lack of a good pass rush.

 

[Brian]

Rolle lacks the speed and quickness to cover one on one and you cannot cover up a lack of speed. We are doing with him what we did with Davis and that is have him at the wrong position. He clearly could be a better possible FS. Since Wilson has that locked up we are screwed. As the announcers noted our DB's gave up over 300+ yards in offense. Partly due to a lack of a good pass rush.

Wilson is the Strong Safety, Holt is the FS, and no way in hell does he have that position locked up.

I am in no way a Rolle apologist, but coming out of college he was known as a bump and run corner. Clancy seems to hate bump and run and prefers the corners to play off. Rolle is usually out of his element in addition to not being very good.

 

[Pariah]

He's not a starter, that's for sure. But, unless we sign a couple of corners in the offseason (I hope we at least draft one in the first couple of rounds), then I think he's still worth keeping as either the 3rd or 4th CB or throw him in the mix for FS.

 

[seesred]

I thought Rolle played well when he was playing a safety positin this year. When we had Green and Hood we used Rolle a lot different and he had impact. I would like us to solidify the cornerback position both starters and backups and see what Rolle would do as a starting safety. As for trading him for a draft pick probably not, maybe we could get a 6 or 7th.

GBR
40 Win it out 8-8

 

[earthsci]

We have a few holes to fix so we need to do it with as few acquisitions as possible. By drafting a CB that we hope would fill the #1 CB role, move Green to #2. Brown as the nickle CB. Antrell at FS. Hope that Antrell works out. If it works we acquired one player and filled two holes. If Antrell doesn't work out we are no worse off than when we started. This also includes keeping Holt as a backup Safety.

 

[Matt L]

what about Rod Hood?

I really doubt that any CB we draft will be able to step in and start and I am getting tired of penciling in starters from draft picks.

I say you go after the CBs on the market i.e. Deangelo Hall, Cromarterie, somebody with starting experience.

DO NOT resign Clancy P. His defenses have been almost the same every season and the result has been even similar. He seems really good at placing the the 7 and 8 guys in the box and blitzing, the three DBs he leaves to cover are basically in prevent, add that the fact that it looks like the safeties don't even know what they are supposed to be doing when covering a deep third and you have DBs giving up almost every third down conversion (at least it seems like that).

Next we need to get more depth at the LB spots, especially if we are moving to 3-4 as the full time defense. Pace, Hayes, and Dansby are all starters and I think are solid. Berry has been injured each of the past three seasons. Nobody knows how Chike is going to come back. They should look at free agent veterans and rookies who may be able to come in and play.

Lastly, w/out a Defensive Coordinator, We are definitely going to need one. They need someone who either has a better coverage philosophy or can teach these guys how to be better players. For years it seems we blamed (possibly correctly) the DBs problems on the position coach (Solomon). With little to no difference and different personell, its time to look at the coordinator as part of the problem. I know that Dick Lebau's contract is up and it has been rumored that he might be looking to leave Pittsburgh. I would be somewhat excited if he came here but you really have to wonder how much the FO is willing to spend on Coordinators and assistants.

 

[Red Hawk]

If all parties agree to it. (big if)

Rolle should be moved to Safety to add depth behand A-dub. IMHO

A goal in the offseason(after extensions and restuctures) should be the acquisition of veteren talent at corner, even if they aren't as able as they used to be, to mentor the draft pick(s).

 

[az1965]

At this point I say we trade his ass for a 4th or 5th rounder. He flat out sucks and is the biggest BUST in the history of this franchise...

Who is going to give you a 4th or 5th round pick for a bust?

 

[outoftheashes]

Who is going to give you a 4th or 5th round pick for a bust?

It seems like cardinal busts often pan out for other teams. I don't think it's that extreme of a stretch to think someone might give up a 4th or 5th assuming that he only sucks because he is a Cardinal.

 

[az1965]

It seems like cardinal busts often pan out for other teams. I don't think it's that extreme of a stretch to think someone might give up a 4th or 5th assuming that he only sucks because he is a Cardinal.

Sure, after we release them or let them go via free agency. So far Rolle has not showed anything for any team to give up a 4th or 5th using the logic that previous Cards players panned out for other teams so he might for us. It is entirely possible that we release him and he goes to a system that uses him correctly and he shines, until then, if that ever happens, he is not worth a 4th round pick.

 

[outoftheashes]

Sure, after we release them or let them go via free agency. So far Rolle has not showed anything for any team to give up a 4th or 5th using the logic that previous Cards players panned out for other teams so he might for us. It is entirely possible that we release him and he goes to a system that uses him correctly and he shines, until then, if that ever happens, he is not worth a 4th round pick.

You are probably right and I don't think it will happen, I am just saying its not totally out of the realm of possibility. I think its more likely they try him at FS and cut him after next season if it doesn't work out. I do think, however, it would have been nice to see him there these last few games. It would be good to know if he shows any signs of life there prior to going into the offseason before we hedge any bets on his success. I know we want to win out but its not like he can be any worse than holt for the remainder of the season.

 

[Skkorpion]

Antrel Rolle may or may not make a decent FS. I see nothing in his game awareness to make me think he can make the transition from CB.

We may have only 1 year to find out. Doesn't his contract have a poison pill forcing renegotiation after year 4, if we want to keep him? Joeschmo will be able to confirm.

Will Whisenhunt be willing to tie up big money on a gamble that a position change will save the career of a guy who is looking very much like another top ten pick who is a bust?

 

[82CardsGrad]

Antrel Rolle may or may not make a decent FS. I see nothing in his game awareness to make me think he can make the transition from CB.

We may have only 1 year to find out. Doesn't his contract have a poison pill forcing renegotiation after year 4, if we want to keep him? Joeschmo will be able to confirm.

Will Whisenhunt be willing to tie up big money on a gamble that a position change will save the career of a guy who is looking very much like another top ten pick who is a bust?

If Whiz is only half as good as some here think he is, the answer to this is an easy one... HELL NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[vince56]

Rolle = Tom Knight.

Both have had health problems in the NFL. Both absolutely suck at covering WRs, both get shredded by mediocre passing games, & both are/were excellent tacklers.

Excellent tackling doesn't mean crap if you can't catch the guy you're covering. Biting the wrong way when you're the right back in 3 deep coverage like Rolle did on that TD pass is just simply one of the dumbest things I've seen in a football game in awhile.

 

[Bobcat]

Tjat is why I call him "CHARMIN" He is so squezzibly soft on all of his coverages Vince.


BOBCAT

 

[ThunderCard]

We have a few holes to fix so we need to do it with as few acquisitions as possible. By drafting a CB that we hope would fill the #1 CB role, move Green to #2. Brown as the nickle CB. Antrell at FS. Hope that Antrell works out. If it works we acquired one player and filled two holes. If Antrell doesn't work out we are no worse off than when we started. This also includes keeping Holt as a backup Safety.

I think that is a big problem and the same situation where we screwed up with Rolle. CB just do not make good 1st day starters .. We need a experienced #1 and then if we could draft someone now to take the #1 roll in 2-3 years that would be the best plan. In addition I alos thought it was a bad idea to draft Rolle and automatically peg him as the #1 corner and we would be doing the same thing all over again. Who is available

Asante Samuel
Drayton Florence
Randall Gay and others

 

[earthsci]

I think that is a big problem and the same situation where we screwed up with Rolle. CB just do not make good 1st day starters .. We need a experienced #1 and then if we could draft someone now to take the #1 roll in 2-3 years that would be the best plan. In addition I alos thought it was a bad idea to draft Rolle and automatically peg him as the #1 corner and we would be doing the same thing all over again. Who is available

Asante Samuel
Drayton Florence
Randall Gay and others

Let me start off by saying that I wouldn't have a problem with signing a FA corner. Why do I prefer drafting?

1. If the draft were today we would be drafting, at the earliest #13. The #13 pick is going to be cheaper than the premier FA CB. If we even win the bidding war for said CB.
2. I think that the issue with Antrell boils down to the scouting. Admittedly when we drafted Antrell I was ecstatic. There were some though (Russ Smith, K9) that were saying before Antrell ever took the field that he would make a better Safety in the NFL due to speed issues. They saw it, why didn't the Cards? My opinion of the scouting department is that they are much better than the past but they can't miss on a #1 pick.
3. All 22 starters on the Indianapolis Colts have spent their careers on that team. Either signed as UDFA or drafted by them. That is successful FO and something we should work to emulate.

 

[john h]

Man, he got flat out TOASTED on that route. I mean toasted.

Have him put on 30 lbs and make him a LB. The one thing he can do is hit. This situation reminds me so much of the L. Davis situation. Put him on a team that puts him in a position he can play and he immediately becomes all pro. Most of the people on this board thought Davis was playing out of position but the Cards did not seem to get it. Now many think Rolle is probably a better FS as I do but here we are same old problem. I can visualize us trading him to some team who will put him at FS and we have another L. Davis. It sure would have been nice to see Davis on that OL starting next year with our new HC.