Rondale Moore silence is deafening

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arguments for the over:

as noted, Kirk was above catches and yards, and even with TDs.

KK said last year's usage of Moore isn't the plan going forward and he will slot into the Kirk role.

arguments for the under:

the Cards could have a top 5 passing offense but given all the options, nobody really tops out.

Moore's role wont change

he will miss 5 or more games

I think 800 is a bit of a joke TBH. The only thing that stops him is injury.

He had 300 yards through the first 6 games as a rookie playing about 40% of snaps as WR4.

Now Kirk is gone and Nuk is out I can see him having 450-500 yards before Nuk is back playing 70%+ snaps. And when Nuk is back I think Green will lose the most snaps.
 

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Moore and Dortch are being way overrated by some here. I’m not saying they won’t perform well but I doubt they are capable of dominating.

Does anyone really expect your 4th and 5th WR to dominate? And with Ertz they’re actually the 5th and 6th option.
 

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Yeah. 500 - 600 yards is probably the correct range for a #3 WR with an offense that has a pass catching TE like Ertz (regardless of what you think of his ability that is his role) and wants to have a versatile run game.

This may get elevated with Hopkins out...tough to really tell for sure. That will depend on his depth of target. Once Hopkins gets back we will see how the team uses Moore and Green because they will cut into each other if you ask me.
 

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Absolutely not . But it appears some here seem to think that
Now should they be able to “dominate” a 3rd or 4th CB? Absolutely imo…. But with limited opportunity and less snaps still a max for Rondale imo is about 50 catches and that’s ok if they have some impact.
 

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Now should they be able to “dominate” a 3rd or 4th CB? Absolutely imo…. But with limited opportunity and less snaps still a max for Rondale imo is about 50 catches and that’s ok if they have some impact.
Agree.
 

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Just another case of Shrager summoning his inner Peter King with the over the top Cardinals love out of left field. I guess he gets to be the smartest guy in the room if it happens. He should have learned by now.
 

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No defenders can jump too. But not many of them can jump 42.5" like Rondale can.

Don't get me wrong. Give me a 6'2" WR who can run routes and runs 4.3 over one that is 5'7" all day long. But on a list of skills and attributes height is way down below the list.

I'd take Rondale over Tweezy all day every day. Dude had less than 24 yards a game starting for Nuk. I don't know what people see in him outside a RZ jump ball specialist.
Oh, so Rondale will be crushing DBs for jump balls, eh? I see the BS flag is flying high over #BirdCity today.
 

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Oh, so Rondale will be crushing DBs for jump balls, eh? I see the BS flag is flying high over #BirdCity today.

It is flying high for sure. People are saying 5'7" is an issue when playing inside against predominantly 5'9" and 5'10" slots and safeties.

It don't matter how tall you are when your 2 yards off the player.

When the league starts churning out 6ft tall slots that can keep pace with 4.3 speed and Rondale's agility then I will be concerned. Until then...

Right now it's just more manufactured BS to talk negative about this Org.
 

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It is flying high for sure. People are saying 5'7" is an issue when playing inside against predominantly 5'9" and 5'10" slots and safeties.

It don't matter how tall you are when your 2 yards off the player.

When the league starts churning out 6ft tall slots that can keep pace with 4.3 speed and Rondale's agility then I will be concerned. Until then...

Right now it's just more manufactured BS to talk negative about this Org.
You just described your own points on RM in the middle of the field. You're talking in certainties when you should addend it to read you're talking in projections. RM hasn't been this player yet. We hope he will be. Given we know he's injured again heading into the season and a big ?, that's all it is--hope.
 

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You just described your own points on RM in the middle of the field. You're talking in certainties when you should addend it to read you're talking in projections. RM hasn't been this player yet. We hope he will be. Given we know he's injured again heading into the season and a big ?, that's all it is--hope.

Your negativity is also a projection. When dealing in uncertainties I don't understand why anyone would choose to manufacturer a negative projection. It's the opposite of what fandom is about.

I mean, I know it's because you think we are going to suck, and thus Rondale will suck and then y'all can say I told you so. But I'd rather spend the offseason looking for the positives.

The fact that the team are high on Rondale to the point they are leaking to Schrager that he's going to have a big year is positive.
 

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Your negativity is also a projection. When dealing in uncertainties I don't understand why anyone would choose to manufacturer a negative projection. It's the opposite of what fandom is about.

I mean, I know it's because you think we are going to suck, and thus Rondale will suck and then y'all can say I told you so. But I'd rather spend the offseason looking for the positives.

The fact that the team are high on Rondale to the point they are leaking to Schrager that he's going to have a big year is positive.
You're so wrong on why you think I'm negative. If he were a Fitz or a player who had proven himself, I'd be positive on him. He isn't. He has question marks, undeniable question marks. As I'm a Cards fan and I've been burned sooo many times before, I have a negative outlook on the kid. This way, if I'm wrong, I get to be ecstatic and celebrate that I was wrong--like I did for 7 freaking games last year, lest you forget. If I'm right, I don't get my hopes up only to have my guts ripped out yet again.
 

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You're so wrong on why you think I'm negative. If he were a Fitz or a player who had proven himself, I'd be positive on him. He isn't. He has question marks, undeniable question marks. As I'm a Cards fan and I've been burned sooo many times before, I have a negative outlook on the kid. This way, if I'm wrong, I get to be ecstatic and celebrate that I was wrong--like I did for 7 freaking games last year, lest you forget. If I'm right, I don't get my hopes up only to have my guts ripped out yet again.
You were negative on him before the season started last year.
 
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