Rondale Moore

[Jetstream Green]

Moore was pretty damn explosive early in the year when teams didn't squat down on his routes. Having Hollywood should mean that they won't be able to this year.

We don't know exactly what was going down behind the seasons, but it was almost criminal how the Cardinals were using Rondale down the stretch. That dude is tailor made to use as a motion player to get him out in space with some cushion.

If Rondale does not make it with the Cards, it'll be Kliff's and Kyler's fault... the guy definitely has worth

 

[BritCard]

If Rondale does not make it with the Cards, it'll be Kliff's and Kyler's fault... the guy definitely has worth

Rondale on the Chiefs would have 1000 yards this year easily

 

[DVontel]

If Rondale does not make it with the Cards, it'll be Kliff's and Kyler's fault... the guy definitely has worth

I’m a Rondale fan, but why couldn’t it be Rondale’s fault?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

You should have "We shouldn't expect too much" printed on a T shirt

Rondale is going to be great this year. As is Zaven Collins.

His tshirt could match your’s that says “Now starting for your Arizona cardinals, Value!”

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

It's not hope. Marco Wilson would be hope.

I've seen enough from Moore and Collins (especially Moore) to feel confident in a greater than 50% chance both are upgrades this year at the very least.

Lol. 51% is greater than 50 and still essentially a flip of a coin.

 

[Jetstream Green]

I’m a Rondale fan, but why couldn’t it be Rondale’s fault?

Well, for a rookie, I have yet to see anything which suggests it's his fault

 

[Krangodnzr]

Well, for a rookie, I have yet to see anything which suggests it's his fault

Rondale isn't a perfect player. Last year he was a guy, from what we saw, who had to have touches schemed for him. But he had moments where he definitely showed how good he can be.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Okay. That's your opinion, and I hope your opinion is correct. Or, better, that you're underselling them even. But, for me, it's only hope.

It’s hope until it’s proven. People can argue til they’re blue in the face against that statement but they’d be wrong. Neither player has a single season in which they’ve proven themselves at the nfl level. Thus its hope. And nothing wrong with hope. I hope too.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I'm not sure I agree on the smaller catch radius thing.

On paper Kirk has longer arms and a theoretically better catch radius. But I think Moore wins through much better agility and athleticism. That catch against the Niners where Moore catches the ball out of bounds on his tip toes at full extension...Kirk isn't catching that.

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Agrees. Rondale might be best pound for pound athlete on the team.

 

[Mainstreet]

It's up to the Cardinals to design plays that utilize the skills of Rondale Moore. In that video he looked like a running back.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I always found Kirks catch radius to be lacking a bit. Quite a few balls that it looked like he should have been able to get that he didn't.

I was describing Kirk to a friend the other day: not quite fast enough to be a true burner, not quite big enough to be a possession guy. He's still a good player, but he isn't a do it all kind of receiver.

Agree. He’s a good receiver with no special trait.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Agree. He’s a good receiver with no special trait.

I was telling my buddy that we all basically agreed here that $12 million was about the right market for Kirk's services. Nice player, and that's a bit much, but it's fairly reasonable.

Then Jacksonville swooped in and threw out a contract that Kirk is 90% likely to never play up to.

 

[PDXChris]

Rondale Moore? That could hinder him rather than help. He was always in great shape. Size will never be to his benefit, and getting too buff can lead to injuries to WRs--ask David Boston. I'm not saying this will happen, just that it's no guarantee of success for RM. He does have a lousy injury record going back to college, though, so we shouldn't expect too much.

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[Stout]

Moore was pretty damn explosive early in the year when teams didn't squat down on his routes. Having Hollywood should mean that they won't be able to this year.

We don't know exactly what was going down behind the seasons, but it was almost criminal how the Cardinals were using Rondale down the stretch. That dude is tailor made to use as a motion player to get him out in space with some cushion.

I do wish they would have used him better down the stretch. A lot of my questions might have answers going into the season, and I might feel a lot better about the player. We shall see.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I do wish they would have used him better down the stretch. A lot of my questions might have answers going into the season, and I might feel a lot better about the player. We shall see.

I think once Hopkins wasn't out there, Kliff just essentially tried to trot Wesley out there and teams could attack those shorter routes easier because they didn't have to worry about WR1 beating them down the field for longer gains.

 

[MadCardDisease]

And Isabella would have never been able to complete his route to have a chance of catching that lol

Even if Isabella was able to complete that route he still wouldn't be able to catch it because the ball would be to far away for a body catch. That's what separates Moore from Isabella. Moore can catch with his hands. Oh and Moore is built like a mini tank.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Even if Isabella was able to complete that route he still wouldn't be able to catch it because the ball would be to far away for a body catch. That's what separates Moore from Isabella. Moore can catch with his hands. Oh and Moore is built like a mini tank.

I completely concur even further lol

 

[SoonerLou]

I'm not sure I agree on the smaller catch radius thing.

On paper Kirk has longer arms and a theoretically better catch radius. But I think Moore wins through much better agility and athleticism. That catch against the Niners where Moore catches the ball out of bounds on his tip toes at full extension...Kirk isn't catching that.

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Kirk was still such a smoother route runner that you could trust he'd be in the right spot. Rondale still polishing up his route running + being smaller probably got in Kyler's mind. Again this is still on Kyler to see it like that. Because to my next point..

And Isabella would have never been able to complete his route to have a chance of catching that lol

Andy may have always been a miss. However, I think Andy's size played a part in Kyler not throwing him the ball as much. @Russ Smith pointed this ou back in 2020.

Kyler's perception caused him to lose trust in Andy. Andy had his issues as well obviously.

Ideally, we should try to get Moore the ball when Kyler is in a moving pocket.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Kirk was still such a smoother route runner that you could trust he'd be in the right spot. Rondale still polishing up his route running + being smaller probably got in Kyler's mind. Again this is still on Kyler to see it like that. Because to my next point..



Andy may have always been a miss. However, I think Andy's size played a part in Kyler not throwing him the ball as much. @Russ Smith pointed this ou back in 2020.

Kyler's perception caused him to lose trust in Andy. Andy had his issues as well obviously.

Ideally, we should try to get Moore the ball when Kyler is in a moving pocket.

We should get Kyler in a moving pocket with roll outs regardless of the WR

 

[SissyBoyFloyd]

Isabella would have been a good fit in K.C. when Hill left. Maybe we should have given them a call.

 

[Zalixar]

Isabella would have been a good fit in K.C. when Hill left. Maybe we should have given them a call.

In exchange for a can of tomatoes. Seems like a fair trade

 

[Jetstream Green]

In exchange for a can of tomatoes. Seems like a fair trade

Well maybe a can of tomatoes, but definitely do not see any team giving us fresh garden tomatoes