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http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2009/02/_there_are_plenty_of.html

Giants upset agent is shopping WR Plaxico Burress

by Mike Garafolo/The Star-Ledger Wednesday February 11, 2009, 7:32 PM


There are plenty of obstacles to Plaxico Burress' returning to the Giants: his legal situation, a potential suspension by the NFL and the Giants' impatience with his off-field issues.
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As if those factors didn't make the situation complicated enough, Burress' agent has informed the other 31 NFL teams his client might be available to play for them.



And the Giants apparently aren't happy.



Drew Rosenhaus, who has represented Burress since he signed with the Giants four years ago, sent an e-mail to all 32 teams earlier this week in which he indicated Burress could be acquired via trade, according to three people informed of the contents of the e-mail. The people, who requested anonymity because the e-mail was not to be discussed publicly, said it was a list of Rosenhaus' free-agent and draft-eligible clients as well as three players he deemed trade-able.



All three are wide receivers: the Cardinals' Anquan Boldin, the Bengals' Chad Johnson and Burress.



Rosenhaus did not return a call or an e-mail seeking comment. A Giants spokesman said general manager Jerry Reese had "nothing to say" on the matter.



But according to one of the people familiar with the situation -- a member of one team's front office who was on Rosenhaus' list of recipients -- the Giants had plenty to say earlier this week. Giants assistant general manager Kevin Abrams notified the rest of the league that the Giants had not authorized Rosenhaus to pursue trade scenarios on Burress' behalf, and that any inquiries about Burress' availability would constitute tampering.



Another person informed of the situation said Rosenhaus sent out another e-mail yesterday in which he clarified he doesn't have permission to seek a trade for any of the three clients he listed.



Neither the collective bargaining agreement nor the NFL Players Association regulations for agents prohibit an agent from alerting teams of a player's potential availability via trade. It would be a violation if an agent took steps to facilitate a trade, such as contract negotiations or conversations about compensation.


Of course, any inquiries from any team about Burress' availability would be speculative at this point. Burress, 31, faces two felony counts of illegal possession of a firearm following his self-shooting at a Manhattan night club in November. If convicted, Burress could be sentenced to 3½ to 15 years in prison. The Giants are taking a wait-and-see approach with Burress, so any prospective trading partner would seemingly also want to see what develops at the 9-year veteran's next court date, which is scheduled for March 31.


The Giants have sent mixed signals publicly when asked about their future plans for Burress. Reese said after the playoff loss to the Eagles last month he would "absolutely" welcome Burress back "if everything goes all right." But a few days later, when Tom Coughlin was asked during an interview on WFAN if he'd be in favor of Burress' return, the coach replied, "I'm not ready to say that. We need to sit down and think about it and talk about that and to see what the circumstance might be."


Last week, FOXSports.com reported the Giants sent Burress a letter in December stating they were attempting to recoup past and future bonus money because they believed Burress had defaulted on his contract. Shortly after the Giants suspended Burress four games, the NFLPA said the team withheld a $1-million payment of his signing bonus.



Teams normally don't attempt to recoup money until they plan to divorce themselves from a player. But the Giants might be making procedural moves to establish they fully intended to recoup bonus money in the event Burress is incarcerated and/or suspended.
 

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The people, who requested anonymity because the e-mail was not to be discussed publicly, said it was a list of Rosenhaus' free-agent and draft-eligible clients as well as three players he deemed trade-able.

All three are wide receivers: the Cardinals' Anquan Boldin, the Bengals' Chad Johnson and Burress.

Quan's got himself associated with some fine company now. :sad:
 

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I generally don't wish ill will on anyone.. but if DR got hit by a bus.. I would giggle a little.
 

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That was the first thing i noticed......Wow Boldin has really got into going with company like that......
 

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I respected Rosenhaus' hustle, but this is Scott Boras-esque.

Not cool.
 

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Neither the collective bargaining agreement nor the NFL Players Association regulations for agents prohibit an agent from alerting teams of a player's potential availability via trade. It would be a violation if an agent took steps to facilitate a trade, such as contract negotiations or conversations about compensation.

Drew has done nothing improper.
 

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Neither the collective bargaining agreement nor the NFL Players Association regulations for agents prohibit an agent from alerting teams of a player's potential availability via trade. It would be a violation if an agent took steps to facilitate a trade, such as contract negotiations or conversations about compensation.

Drew has done nothing improper.

I disagree. It is improper and unethical, but not forbidden or against the rules.
 

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It is right up against the fence of improper though.

Particularly as it implies he has permission and could induce them to tamper unwittingly
 

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At the very least, Drew is morally corrupt when he tries to force a team to trade away a player with two years remaining on the contract.
 

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At the very least, Drew is morally corrupt when he tries to force a team to trade away a player with two years remaining on the contract.


My God!

This is business... nothing more or less.

Morality, whatever that could possibly mean in this case, is irrelevant.

In law, and the US is country based on the rule of law, you either break it and suffer sanction, or you don't.

Drew broke no law or dictates agreed to by the league and its partners, the players.
 

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My God!

This is business... nothing more or less.

Morality, whatever that could possibly mean in this case, is irrelevant.

In law, and the US is country based on the rule of law, you either break it and suffer sanction, or you don't.

Drew broke no law or dictates agreed to by the league and its partners, the players.

You're welcome to take Rosenhaus to Canada. We wouldn't mind.
 

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Eventually clubs are gonna avoid his clients, especially the draftable ones much like they avoided the Poston bros.
 

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You're welcome to take Rosenhaus to Canada. We wouldn't mind.

No that's fine. You can keep him.

But, face it people, if he wasn't doing his job he wouldn't have clients.
 

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I wonder how his client list is split with regards to draft position.

I mean its hard to avoid drafting really good players but I expect he doesn't get so many low rounders as I would expect it would hurt their prospects
 

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he is paid to be a shameless and aggressive promoter of his client's interests.

He does a good job at exactly that -- with a confrontational style.

THe real question is this:

would other agents accomplish for their clients what he has, but without the public agita? Could another agent have gotten Chad Johnson (for example) what he wanted without the drama? How about Q?

Rosenhaus has an element of drama and self promotion about him that most fans find distasteful (and most experienced buisness people find bordering on inept) -- but if you are a 27 year old football player with ZERO business acumen -- it probably looks pretty good to you.
 

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This isnt a big deal at all, and is within his rights and rules. It happens very often we just dont hear about it. Heck tampering happens every day as well.

The only reason we are hearing about it right now is because its Drew and he makes for good stories.
 

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This isnt a big deal at all, and is within his rights and rules. It happens very often we just dont hear about it. Heck tampering happens every day as well.

The only reason we are hearing about it right now is because its Drew and he makes for good stories.

Giants assistant general manager Kevin Abrams notified the rest of the league that the Giants had not authorized Rosenhaus to pursue trade scenarios on Burress' behalf, and that any inquiries about Burress' availability would constitute tampering.

If Rosenhaus's actions were perfectly legal, then why did he issue a mea culpa? IMO, it's a big deal when an agent starts alienating his clients' potential suitors. Even if tampering does "happen every day" that doesn't make it right.
 
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Perhaps the fact that it happens everyday is a perfect reason to be upset by the behavior. The Giants, in this case, didn't seem to think it was acceptable.
 

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If Rosenhaus's actions were perfectly legal, then why did he issue a mea culpa? IMO, it's a big deal when an agent starts alienating his clients' potential suitors. Even if tampering does "happen every day" that doesn't make it right.

You are confusing what Drew did and what the Giants are saying though.

Drew telling other teams about his clients is perfectly fine, all agents do it. What the Giants are saying is to other teams and not to Drew. The Giants are putting other teams on notice not Drew. They are telling teams to keep the discussion a one way discussion.

I think it does make it right. Its the NFL dirty little secret. Every team takes part in it. Its like Jaywalking, it is technically illegal but mostly no one gets in trouble for it, and no one cares. You dont hear teams yelling about tampering all that often maybe one or two extreme cases a year because that team knows they do it to and dont want to cause a domino effect.
 

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Perhaps the fact that it happens everyday is a perfect reason to be upset by the behavior. The Giants, in this case, didn't seem to think it was acceptable.

But at the same time would the Giants make this a story if it was some scrub that Drew wrote the email about. No they wouldnt. Its only right or wrong if it suits their adgenda. Hypocrytical yes, but thats life of the NFL business.
 
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There needs to be a salary cap for agents. Not a percentage, a cap on total dollars an agent can make off of one player.
 
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