Rudy Gay a possibility?

[slinslin]

Apparently Memphis wants to trade him because they would otherwise get over the luxury tax if they resign Mayo and their other restricted free agents.

Gay has a salary cap killer contract. Massively overpaid imo for a player that is somewhere between very good and borderline allstar caliber.

When you read Memphis message boards their demands are insane. I would probably not even give up more than Childress or Warrick + instant salary cap space to take on that contract.

 

[Cheesebeef]

why in the world would they keep Mayo and other restricted FA role players at the expense of their best or second best player in Gay?

that doesn't make sense to me. and we have nothing to offer them to get him anyway. They don't need Gortat and we've got nothing else to trade do we?

 

[Bufalay]

How do guys like Gay, Deng, Igoudala, Josh Smith and Marion always seem to get contracts that are immediately viewed as being excessive?

 

[Cheesebeef]

How do guys like Gay, Deng, Igoudala, Josh Smith and Marion always seem to get contracts that are immediately viewed as being excessive?

Gay is better than all those guys IMO. He's probably not a MAX player, but he's pretty damn good and more of an impact maker than any of the above IMO.

IMO.

 

[slinslin]

why in the world would they keep Mayo and other restricted FA role players at the expense of their best or second best player in Gay?

that doesn't make sense to me. and we have nothing to offer them to get him anyway. They don't need Gortat and we've got nothing else to trade do we?

They want capspace not players, no way would we ever give up Gortat for Gay straight up. Never in a million years.

Gay also is not their 2nd best player. Best case he is 3rd behind Gasol and Randolph.

Also Gay so far is not nearly as good as Marion was or even Josh Smith is. His contract is poisoneous. He makes almost 60M$ over the next 3 years. Basically he commands 1/3 of a teams available salary cap. You can't build a good team around a contract like that long term on a player that is not even truly allstar caliber.

 

[slinslin]

Gay is better than all those guys IMO. He's probably not a MAX player, but he's pretty damn good and more of an impact maker than any of the above IMO.

IMO.

He is clearly clearly the worst of all those players by a margin too.

 

[Cheesebeef]

They want capspace not players, no way would we ever give up Gortat for Gay straight up. Never in a million years.

Gay also is not their 2nd best player. Best case he is 3rd behind Gasol and Randolph.

Also Gay so far is not nearly as good as Marion was or even Josh Smith is. His contract is poisoneous.

you're freaking delusional. he's not their second best player? Gasol is better? Good lord.

and you still didn't answer why they would want to spend money on Mayo and other RFAs over Gay. That's just BEYOND stupid.

 

[Cheesebeef]

He is clearly clearly the worst of all those players by a margin too.

says the guy who think Lopez is better than Gortat. You're opinion is worthless slin and often sounds like the words of a man who smokes pole for crack.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Taking on Gay would be a poison pill unless you got an especially good pick or young player to go with him. The ideal would be someone who would be up for renewal around the time that Gay's contract expires.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Sorry cheese, I'd rather pay Gasol 12, 13, 14, 15 over the next 4 years than Gay 15, 16, 18, 19.

Gay is way overpaid, and you don't win championships by paying #3 guys like Gay or Gordon max money.

In a weird way, maybe maxing out stars and having no supporting players like the Heat and Lakers will ultimately end up being a mistake with the current construct of the league. It would certainly be a great thing to see a shift in the paradigm of "best superstar wins it all", and better teams able to take down the star obsessed league.

It's one thing to pay Kobe or Wade or Lebron that kind of money, but Rudy Gay? No thanks.

 

[sunsfan88]

I understand what the point of this thread is?

Slinslin starts it...then talks about why NOT to do it and how its such a horrible idea....then he titles the thread "Rudy Gay a possibility?"

I don't get it...does slinslin want the Suns to trade for Gay or no?

 

[ASUCHRIS]

I understand what the point of this thread is?

Slinslin starts it...then talks about why NOT to do it and how its such a horrible idea....then he titles the thread "Rudy Gay a possibility?"

I don't get it...does slinslin want the Suns to trade for Gay or no?

Obviously not, he's mentioned it as a "POSSIBILITY". Reading comprehension.

 

[slinslin]

I also stated in the original post that I would not give up more than Warrick or Childress plus the capspace.
So i guess that makes it clear that I don't like the possibility.

 

[slinslin]

you're freaking delusional. he's not their second best player? Gasol is better? Good lord.

and you still didn't answer why they would want to spend money on Mayo and other RFAs over Gay. That's just BEYOND stupid.

Gasol is MUCH better and more important than Gay. The grizzlies had their best run when Gay was injured.

And seriously Rudy Gay is clearly not better than Iguodala, prime Marion, Josh Smith or Luol Deng.
I just have to look at the defensive side and Rudy Gay is not even in the same universe defensively as the other guys mentioned.

Rudy Gay - 0 allstar games, 0 all-nba teams, 0 all-defensive teams
Andre Iguodala - 1 allstar game, 1 all-defensive team
Shawn Marion - 4 allstar games, 2 all-nba teams
Luol Deng - 1 all-defensive team
Josh Smith - 1 all-defensive team

Peak PER
Shawn Marion 23.6
Josh Smith 21.1
Andre Iguodala 19.0
Luol Deng 18.7
Rudy Gay 17.8

Peak Offensive Rating
Shawn Marion 118
Andre Iguodala 115
Luol Deng 112
Josh Smith 109
Rudy Gay 109

Peak Defensive Rating
Shawn Marion 93
Josh Smith 96
Andre Iguodala 98
Luol Deng 100
Rudy Gay 102

Peak Winshares/48
Shawn Marion .214
Luol Deng .176
Andre Iguodala .158
Josh Smith .155
Rudy Gay 0.123

 

[SirStefan32]

Unless Gay's contract comes with 5 future 1st round picks, I wouldn't touch it with a ten-foot pole.

 

[slinslin]

says the guy who think Lopez is better than Gortat. You're opinion is worthless slin and often sounds like the words of a man who smokes pole for crack.

sitting in a glass house you just said that Gay is better than Deng, Marion, Smith, Iguodala and Marc Gasol.

What is even funnier is you putting Gay over Gasol as the #2 guy on the Grizzlies when Gasol clearly is their most important player over Randolph.

Gay is argueably the #3 guy but it is very close with the constant improvement of Conley.

Also you are an idiot if you think that I think Lopez is better than Gortat. I said that like 2 years ago when Lopez was still playing well and even then I did not specifically say that I only pointed out that the TEAM performed much better when Lopez was on the court and that is statistical FACT.

 

[carey]

I talked about this on RealGm for a bit. It's an awful salary. One of the worst in the league. I probably wouldn't take it on unless I'm being enticed to do so (extra assets), but he's a borderline all-star and they are well within their right to have a high price that no team should even think about paying.

There's a minimum salary now. We have to pay it. Do you want someone like Gay on the team who seems like a high character guy and is a good player during our rebuilding years? This is what's left of his salary: $16,460,532 next year, $17,888,932 in 2013-2014, $19,317,326 in 2014-2015. By the time we're ready to be competitive he'll either be moving on or re-signing at a more manageable figure. He expires the same year as Childress. If Childress isn't involved in the deal that's $25M expiring that year when technically we should have this thing turned around and ready to compete. Though if our drafts go well we'll need a large part of that cap space to re-sign our own FAs. Gortat is due for an extension in '14-'15 and Dudley in '15-'16 as well.

 

[Cheesebeef]

sitting in a glass house you just said that Gay is better than Deng, Marion, Smith, Iguodala and Marc Gasol.

What is even funnier is you putting Gay over Gasol as the #2 guy on the Grizzlies when Gasol clearly is their most important player over Randolph.

Gay is argueably the #3 guy but it is very close with the constant improvement of Conley.

LOL... okay, so now Gay is almost the fourth best player on the team?

 

[Gaddabout]

How do guys like Gay, Deng, Igoudala, Josh Smith and Marion always seem to get contracts that are immediately viewed as being excessive?

Because they're all outstanding No. 3s -- so good in fact they get No. 2 money, but none of them do one thing so well that they can force a team to change what they want to do. They're just really, really good jacks of all trades. In the case of Marion and Gay, and to a lesser extent Josh Smith, they are probably more productive at the 4, but come with enough size problems at the position that you end up putting them at the 3 where you sort of lose some of their advantages. At least with Igoudala and Deng, you have a real good idea about where they should be to best help the team.

 

[chickenhead]

Beyond his actual abilities, seems like Gay makes too much money to build around, and the contract is too long to be viewed as a short-term route to cap flexibility.

Would Gay put butts in seats at the US Airways Center? Because if not, we might as well spend the next few years bottoming out for good draft picks and hoping the fans will buy into an up-and-coming team.

 

[Mainstreet]

IMO Memphis would be better served to move Randolph's contract if they are in need of relief.

 

[Phrazbit]

LOL... okay, so now Gay is almost the fourth best player on the team?

I'd actually agree. I'd take Conley and Gasol over Gay in a heartbeat. And I'd only take Gay over Randolph because Z-Bo is crazy. Gay is a good player, and Memphis had a really really good team (they should have killed the Clippers).

But not only are Gay's stats lacking once you take a deeper look at them, the Grizz played pretty damn well without him in 2011.

 

[outcent13]

Supposedly Gay and Randolph cant be on the floor at the same time for some reason. Maybe another reason they are interested in getting rid of him.

 

[Gaddabout]

IMO Memphis would be better served to move Randolph's contract if they are in need of relief.

I'd love Randolph if he wasn't turning 30 and facing chronic knee injuries. He's a pretty awful defender, but like Barkley says, rebound is defense, and Randolph is supremely good at it. He's also become a decent post passer and he never has problems connecting on high percentage shots.

Honestly, though, faced with Nash departing, I'd take him straight up for Nash. This where we insert the sound of Grizzlies management laughing about that one.

 

[SirStefan32]

I'd love Randolph if he wasn't turning 30 and facing chronic knee injuries. He's a pretty awful defender, but like Barkley says, rebound is defense, and Randolph is supremely good at it. He's also become a decent post passer and he never has problems connecting on high percentage shots.

Honestly, though, faced with Nash departing, I'd take him straight up for Nash.

I wouldn't. He'd make us good enough to not get a top-five pick, but not good enough to build around. I'd rather let Nash and Hill go, not sign anyone remotely good, tank a season, and see who's available next summer, once we have a good draft pick or two.