spanky
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Has Cleveland trading T.Couch/J.White and their 1st RD.#3 to Dallas for D.Coakley, Dallas' 1st RD.#5 and Dallas' 5th RD. pick.WOW
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That does warrant a "WOW."
Did they say who Cleveland would go after? I wonder if they wouldn't grab a QB--as well as Holcombe played last year, I don't think he's the future of the franchise. They also need a LB pretty badly.
I would have thought they could have stayed put and possibly gotten a premier LB (Henderson or Bailey). I'm not up on the Browns, but I'd have to guess that that's their biggest area of need. Seems like they lost a lot of starters at that position.
Great deal for the Browns. They're just losing backups.
The more I think about it, the more I don't think Parcells would go anywhere near that deal (but I'll bet he loves Couch).
Did they say who Cleveland would go after? I wonder if they wouldn't grab a QB--as well as Holcombe played last year, I don't think he's the future of the franchise. They also need a LB pretty badly.
I would have thought they could have stayed put and possibly gotten a premier LB (Henderson or Bailey). I'm not up on the Browns, but I'd have to guess that that's their biggest area of need. Seems like they lost a lot of starters at that position.
Great deal for the Browns. They're just losing backups.
The more I think about it, the more I don't think Parcells would go anywhere near that deal (but I'll bet he loves Couch).
Wow is right, although Cleveland's 1st round pick is the #21, not #3.
As a Cardinal fan this trade would worry me because if Cleveland grabs the #5 pick, could they be targeting local icon Byron Leftwich with the pick? If they trade Couch, maybe the thinking is that they can start Kelly Holcomb until Leftwich is ready. Butch Davis has been leaning toward starting Holcomb anyway.
On a side note, someone (whoever you were, thank you) reported yesterday that Cleveland would be willing to trade WR Kevin Johnson for an early third round pick. Is anyone aware of Johnson's current contract situation? Johnson would be an ideal acquisition, IMO. He's a homerun threat and a nifty run after the catch wideout. If Johnson isn't in the last year of his contract or something like that, he would be a great value for the #70 pick. The Cardinals probably figure to take a WR at #70 anyway, and Johnson is far better than anyone they could select at #70.
As a Cardinal fan this trade would worry me because if Cleveland grabs the #5 pick, could they be targeting local icon Byron Leftwich with the pick? If they trade Couch, maybe the thinking is that they can start Kelly Holcomb until Leftwich is ready. Butch Davis has been leaning toward starting Holcomb anyway.
On a side note, someone (whoever you were, thank you) reported yesterday that Cleveland would be willing to trade WR Kevin Johnson for an early third round pick. Is anyone aware of Johnson's current contract situation? Johnson would be an ideal acquisition, IMO. He's a homerun threat and a nifty run after the catch wideout. If Johnson isn't in the last year of his contract or something like that, he would be a great value for the #70 pick. The Cardinals probably figure to take a WR at #70 anyway, and Johnson is far better than anyone they could select at #70.
2 "wow's" in a row. I would hope that the Cards would already be pulling the trigger on the KJ deal.
red desert
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That was me Walter, and you're welcome. Read it on ESPN insider yesterday.
Thanks red desert! And now I remember your comment too...and I agree with you, I'd trade the #70 for Kevin Johnson immediately if not sooner.
Was it you who also posted the Fred Smoot for an early second rounder trade? I think it was you. That's a trade I am less enthusiastic about because I think the #37 pick in this draft will be a hot pick...even one that the Cardinals could get extra picks for if they traded it down. I like Smoot's quickness in coverage, but, as hard as this might be to believe, I actually like David Barrett's prospects better than Smoot's. Barrett can play tough and physical and is a much stronger tackler. While Smoot may have the craftier feet, Barrett is no slouch in coverage. I have a gut feeling he will lead the Cardinal corners in interceptions this year.
Thanks again, red desert, for another one of your customarily excellent posts. Keep 'em coming!
Was it you who also posted the Fred Smoot for an early second rounder trade? I think it was you. That's a trade I am less enthusiastic about because I think the #37 pick in this draft will be a hot pick...even one that the Cardinals could get extra picks for if they traded it down. I like Smoot's quickness in coverage, but, as hard as this might be to believe, I actually like David Barrett's prospects better than Smoot's. Barrett can play tough and physical and is a much stronger tackler. While Smoot may have the craftier feet, Barrett is no slouch in coverage. I have a gut feeling he will lead the Cardinal corners in interceptions this year.
Thanks again, red desert, for another one of your customarily excellent posts. Keep 'em coming!
BACH
Superbowl, Homeboy!
Hmm, Leftwich could be a possibility, but I'm thinking Gross or Newman instead.
I not certain about Johnson's contract status, but I'm 100% that they already extended his rookie contact. He was the first player chosen in the 2nd round the same year as we drafted Boston. Boston's 4-year ran out this year and Johnson's didn't so it's pretty safe to assume that he has been extended at some point (Most likely last year), since a 2nd rounder doesn't receive 5-year contracts.
BACH
Superbowl, Homeboy!
Found it.... Johnson original signed a 4-year deal that he extended with another 4 years before last season. So still 4 year left on his contract.
Browns | KJ Deal - from KFFL (http://nfl.kffl.com)
August 30, 2002 12:50:07 PT Updating earlier reports, Len Pasquarelli reports for ESPN.com the breakdown of WR Kevin Johnson's new contract with the Cleveland Browns is: He received a $3.5 million signing bonus and his base salaries are $500,000 (2002), $950,000 (2003), $1.45 million (2004), $1.4 million (2005) and $2.65 million (2006). There are workout bonuses of $100,000 each for 2003-2006. The team must pay Johnson a $2 million bonus in 2005 to exercise an option on the final two years of the deal. There is also a $1 million roster bonus for the 2006 season.
Browns | New Deal for Johnson - from KFFL (http://nfl.kffl.com)
August 17, 2002 16:56:30 PT Associated Press reports Cleveland Browns WR Kevin Johnson, who was entering the final year of his contract, has agreed to a new four-year, $13.85 million deal. The deal included a $3.5 million deal.
Browns | KJ Deal - from KFFL (http://nfl.kffl.com)
August 30, 2002 12:50:07 PT Updating earlier reports, Len Pasquarelli reports for ESPN.com the breakdown of WR Kevin Johnson's new contract with the Cleveland Browns is: He received a $3.5 million signing bonus and his base salaries are $500,000 (2002), $950,000 (2003), $1.45 million (2004), $1.4 million (2005) and $2.65 million (2006). There are workout bonuses of $100,000 each for 2003-2006. The team must pay Johnson a $2 million bonus in 2005 to exercise an option on the final two years of the deal. There is also a $1 million roster bonus for the 2006 season.
Browns | New Deal for Johnson - from KFFL (http://nfl.kffl.com)
August 17, 2002 16:56:30 PT Associated Press reports Cleveland Browns WR Kevin Johnson, who was entering the final year of his contract, has agreed to a new four-year, $13.85 million deal. The deal included a $3.5 million deal.
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Krangodnzr
Captain of Team Conner
Guys, take this with a grain of salt. It is coming from NFLDraftBlitz, which doesn't exactly have the reputation of ESPN, TSN, or KFFL.
Great work, Bach. This warrants another WOW! First of all, if the Browns are legitmately offering Johnson for an early third they will be absorbing at $3.5M cap hit for Johnson's recent signing bonus. Secondly, and most importantly for the Cardinals, they could land Johnson for less that one million this year and only $1.4M in 2004 and 2005. That's a steal and a half. Get on the phone, Rod. Get this deal done!
Very affordable for the Cardinals - let's do it!!
kerouac9
Klowned by Keim
For what it's woth, I assume that the Browns want Newman or Truffant. They're CB corps is just plain awful. I'm not excited about any of the LBs in this draft (I think that we're due for some good LB prospects soon, how long has it been since Arrington and Urlacher came out?), and I'm sure the Browns aren't, either.
The Browns grossly mismanaged their cap after becoming an expansion franchise, and so now they're dumping solid talent in order to save space and get low-wage rookies.
I doubt that the Cards trade for KJ. If you remember, he was threatening to hold out and get paid like a Top 5 WR and get his rookie contract re-worked. He's not that great, not prototype size, not great speed. He's kind of like a not-as-good, doesn't-try-as-hard Marvin Harrison. I'd rather take a flier on a prospect WR with the #70 than get KJ.
The Browns grossly mismanaged their cap after becoming an expansion franchise, and so now they're dumping solid talent in order to save space and get low-wage rookies.
I doubt that the Cards trade for KJ. If you remember, he was threatening to hold out and get paid like a Top 5 WR and get his rookie contract re-worked. He's not that great, not prototype size, not great speed. He's kind of like a not-as-good, doesn't-try-as-hard Marvin Harrison. I'd rather take a flier on a prospect WR with the #70 than get KJ.
Krangodnzr
Captain of Team Conner
You have like a 1 in 10 chance of getting something even close to the production of KJ.....and you would take a college player over him?
Krangodnzr
Captain of Team Conner
Could you provide a link to where you heard this because I'm not finding it....was this a made up rumor?
kerouac9
Klowned by Keim
I'm sorry, but KJ wasn't even the best WR on his team. Andre Davis is better than him. KJ benefitted from good chemistry with Couch and being the only passing option on a horrible team. Last season, on a good team with a running game, he had 67 catches for 703 yards and 4 TDs. Against one of the worst passing defense teams in the league (PIT), he had 5 catches for 30 yards in two games. He never had more than nine catches in a game in 2003, and only went over 5 twice.
Is this the kind of production you want from your #1 WR?
Is this the kind of production you want from your #1 WR?
Krangodnzr
Captain of Team Conner
Umm....but he played on a team that really spread the ball around.
Johnson had 67
Jamel White had 63
Quincy Morgan had 56
Dennis Northcutt had 38
Andre Davis had 37
and Mark Campbell had 25.
Me thinks he would be a little more productive with less competition for passes. And if we traded for him it would instantly improve our passing game especially if we signed Marcus Robinson.
A depth chart of
M. Rob.
KJ
McAddlely
Kasper
Gilmore
Doesn't look so bad.
spanky
All Star
Krang,
Go to www.nfldraftblitz.com........then enter Message Boards.....click on NFL Draft Blitz......it's right there under Cleveland/Dallas Trade Rumor.
Sorry Walter.......yes you are of course right, Clevelands pick is not #3 but as you said#21.
Go to www.nfldraftblitz.com........then enter Message Boards.....click on NFL Draft Blitz......it's right there under Cleveland/Dallas Trade Rumor.
Sorry Walter.......yes you are of course right, Clevelands pick is not #3 but as you said#21.
Krangodnzr
Captain of Team Conner
Dude don't trust what people are saying on message boards.
This rumor is bologna. Pure fantasy.
BACH
Superbowl, Homeboy!
Doubt it, remember if this rumor is true they are getting D.Coakley too. CB Newman/Trufant or OT Gross is more likely IMO.
spanky
All Star
Krang.....just reporting a rumor.....not saying I believe it. You must admit, it would solve alot of Cleveland's cap and QB roster problems. Parcells/ Dallas could make Couch well again. Cleveland could sure use Coakley. Crazier things have happened.......again I'm only posting this for everyone's thinking......nfldrafblitz is as reliable as our board for "accurate' information regarding rumors......after all, rumors are just that!
