Rumor MIA wants round 2 pick for Ogunlye

[spanky1]

You guys make me laugh........Ogunleye has one good year (and have you considered that it might be because of who was playing at the other DE position and the effect that might have had on his #'s) and you think he's a "god".......

Pace has a less than stellar 1st year (and have you looked at the fact that he was thrown to the dogs far too early) and he is a bum!

I'm glad you guys are not my personnel department and are not conducting evaluations that might mean I let go of a guy "before his time", or keep a guy and have to overpay him without really knowing what I'm paying for.

 

[Renz]

Originally posted by spanky1
You guys make me laugh........Ogunleye has one good year (and have you considered that it might be because of who was playing at the other DE position and the effect that might have had on his #'s) and you think he's a "god".......

Pace has a less than stellar 1st year (and have you looked at the fact that he was thrown to the dogs far too early) and he is a bum!

I'm glad you guys are not my personnel department and are not conducting evaluations that might mean I let go of a guy "before his time", or keep a guy and have to overpay him without really knowing what I'm paying for.

Ogunleye has played in 39 games in three seasons and has 25 sacks. He's the real deal. Well worth a second round pick.

www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/188505

 

[cardsunsfan]

There are a hell of a lot more players that could do what Pace did compared to Ogunleye. We had the worst defense in the league and we had the least amount of sacks on the dline by far!

 

[RugbyMuffin]

He is young and a pass rusher!

Berry and Ogunlye?

With Starks, Wilson, Jackson, coughTaylorcough, Macklin?

I can hear the Defense chants already!

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Originally posted by spanky1
You guys make me laugh........Ogunleye has one good year (and have you considered that it might be because of who was playing at the other DE position and the effect that might have had on his #'s) and you think he's a "god".......

Pace has a less than stellar 1st year (and have you looked at the fact that he was thrown to the dogs far too early) and he is a bum!

I'm glad you guys are not my personnel department and are not conducting evaluations that might mean I let go of a guy "before his time", or keep a guy and have to overpay him without really knowing what I'm paying for.

actually in back to back seasons ogunleye has had 9.5 and 15 sacks. that's more than one year. in fact, in both years he outsacked our entire d-line.

pace is not a bust . . . yet. but 1 sack? jesus christ. break both my legs and i could come up with that total.

i'm not enamored of having two smallish de's, but this kid can flat out play. we could figure out a way to make 'em both work. and yeah, berry played across from a good de, not a pace, johnson or wakefield . . . he'll be more effective with a better player.

i love the thought of trading down in the first round, thereby picking up a second rounder, sending our second rounder to miami for ogunleye, drafting wilfork with our lower first (if possible) and a cb with our acquired second. a d-line of ogunleye, wilfork, bryant, and berry would have to be extremely formidable. especially if we could also rotate in davis, pace and dj.

 

[Red Air Force]

Originally posted by spanky1
You guys make me laugh........Ogunleye has one good year (and have you considered that it might be because of who was playing at the other DE position and the effect that might have had on his #'s) and you think he's a "god".......

Pace has a less than stellar 1st year (and have you looked at the fact that he was thrown to the dogs far too early) and he is a bum!

I'm glad you guys are not my personnel department and are not conducting evaluations that might mean I let go of a guy "before his time", or keep a guy and have to overpay him without really knowing what I'm paying for.

One good year? did you even look to see that he had 9.5 the year before? How many of our guys had 9.5 sacks?

..........crickets..........


Heck Berry only has 25 career sacks, and it took him three more years to get them. And if you thinl Og was only good because of Taylor, well then by that logic Berry would need that same help as he probably has more ?'s than Ogunleye.

 

[Reddog]

How abou the first pickin R3 and Dennis Johnson?

 

[cardsunsfan]

Can these rumors be substantiated? I would think they could at least get a low first for him.... Who doesn't think people around the NFL wouldn't feel that we had the best free agency if we picked him up?!

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Originally posted by SunCardfan
Can these rumors be substantiated? I would think they could at least get a low first for him.... Who doesn't think people around the NFL wouldn't feel that we had the best free agency if we picked him up?!

technically trading for him wouldn't be part of fa.

 

[Red Air Force]

Originally posted by Ouchie-Z-Clown
technically trading for him wouldn't be part of fa.

Call it the best offseason then

 

[cardsunsfan]

yeah I'll go with that

 

[azdad1978]

 

[Savage58]

Originally posted by CaliforniaCard
First of all Berry and Ogunlye don't even play the same side.

Secondly to say that we don't "need" another productive pass rusher is TOTALLY assinine, and blind to the fact that we have been LAST in sacks over the last 3 years.

Wouldn't it be nice if WE were 1 and 2 in sacks this year like Miami was last year?

Please point out to me where I mentioned Berry and Ogunleye played the same side.

Also point out where I mentioned we didn't need another "Pass rusher". You can't so keep your assinine comments to yourself, statements like that sound assinine.

Yes it would be wonderful to be 1 and 2 in sacks next season.

Bottomline, we don't have the luxury of putting the kind of cash into the DE now that we have Berry locked up for 4 years. You want to pay Berry and Ogunleye 8 or 9M/year, while having Pace(last years 1st round pick) riding the bench, playing sparingly, stunting his development, along with D. Johnson? Makes no sense, business wise.

Then you have the football side of it, we don't even play the same style of defense Miami does. Denny's defensive scheme "Under Jet", has an "elephant" position, that position is Berry's, speed rusher who widens out for a quick pass rush, almost in the mold of a OLB, kinda Steelers style. That means we need the other DE to be stout against the run, something Ogunleye struggled with last year. Would he be an upgrade over Pace at this point in time, "Hell yeah!" But not for 5M/year which is what he's looking for.

Lets give Pace/Johnson a chance this year, wait til Ogunleye is a UFA next season, and if we're not satisfied with our DE position, we can find a better DE to fit our style of defense.(Hicks would've been perfect IMO)

Lets use this years cap money on more pressing positions, OG/OT, or another corner, we can wait til June 1st cuts and there should be some good players available.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Originally posted by Savage58

Then you have the football side of it, we don't even play the same style of defense Miami does. Denny's defensive scheme "Under Jet", has an "elephant" position, that position is Berry's, speed rusher who widens out for a quick pass rush, almost in the mold of a OLB, kinda Steelers style. That means we need the other DE to be stout against the run, something Ogunleye struggled with last year.


we can wait til June 1st cuts and there should be some good players available.

uh, hello rod!

good point about the scheme. one of the de's needs to line up over the tackle, neither berry nor ogunleye would excel in that position.

 

[cardsunsfan]

I kind of like coaches who can adapt their coaching to personell rather than the other way around....why did we get rid of Darwin Walker? Because he didn't fit in our "scheme" IF you have a really good player make the scheme fit him!

 

[Savage58]

Originally posted by SunCardfan
I kind of like coaches who can adapt their coaching to personell rather than the other way around....why did we get rid of Darwin Walker? Because he didn't fit in our "scheme" IF you have a really good player make the scheme fit him!

Sadly, because we needed the cap room for Simeon "I'm a beyotch" Rice. No other reason was given that I saw. That move was one of the worst the Cards have made in recent history IMO.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Originally posted by Savage58
Sadly, because we needed the cap room for Simeon "I'm a beyotch" Rice. No other reason was given that I saw. That move was one of the worst the Cards have made in recent history IMO.

you are so right it almost makes me cry. franchise the bastard and trade for ANYTHING. that man had value.

 

[KingofCards]

Originally posted by Ouchie-Z-Clown
you are so right it almost makes me cry. franchise the bastard and trade for ANYTHING. that man had value.

I thought Walker was released in preseason, the Cards supposedly were hoping he'd clear waivers so they could put him on the practice squad?

Or we you talking about Simeon? I think Savage was refering to the loss of Darwin Walker.

 

[cardsunsfan]

I was referring to the loss of Darwin Walker...

 

[Savage58]

Originally posted by SunCardfan
I was referring to the loss of Darwin Walker...

Me too. He's a stud now in Philly, tearing it up next to Corey Simon, dang that'd be nice to plug in Walker next to Bryant, along with Pace and Berry. Dare to dream.

 

[binkar]

That is a very hard choice.

1)We have the first pick in the second round which means it is one pick away from a first round player so we are basically getting a first rounder.

Which means if we draft a corner or DT which are positions of great need. they could very well turn into a GREAT player but there is always that risk.

2)How do you pass up on a guy who is young and a oroven great pass rusher when that has been one of the teams greatest weekness for years.

3)We drafted Pace in the first round last year and although he was very disappointing, he might be one of the players who improves under good coaching. (I think some of the most poor coaching has been on the line on both sides of the ball).

So I think it is a very hard decision.

 

[az jam]

SPANKY1 SAYS "You guys make me laugh........Ogunleye has one good year (and have you considered that it might be because of who was playing at the other DE position and the effect that might have had on his #'s) and you think he's a "god"......."

Yhe is right and you are all ignoring this fact: Jason Taylor is doubled team and who ever plays on the opposite side looks good. The Vikings signed free agent DEs two year ago from the Dolpohins: Lorenzo Bromell and Kenny Mixon. Bromell was a flop and realeased; mixon is an adequate starter. Miami has a very good defensive system; however few players have done well in free agency on other teams.

Keep the second pick.

 

[vikesfan]

Originally posted by az jam
SPANKY1 SAYS "You guys make me laugh........Ogunleye has one good year (and have you considered that it might be because of who was playing at the other DE position and the effect that might have had on his #'s) and you think he's a "god"......."

Yhe is right and you are all ignoring this fact: Jason Taylor is doubled team and who ever plays on the opposite side looks good. The Vikings signed free agent DEs two year ago from the Dolpohins: Lorenzo Bromell and Kenny Mixon. Bromell was a flop and realeased; mixon is an adequate starter. Miami has a very good defensive system; however few players have done well in free agency on other teams.

Keep the second pick.

Dude you are WRONG. Mixon sucked in MIA he averaged about 4 sacks there and he got that for MIN. Bromell averaged 3 sacks and he got that for MIA and MIN. They were not gret players in MIA. Like Ogunlye. Vikes brought in a solid sack man in Johnstone (well DG did) and he has provided solid sacking. Players don't change cause of who they play with.

It is not who he plays with it is him. Otherwise Mixon would have gotten 9 and 15 sacks like Ogunlye did. He did not cause he sucks.

The 2 Big Myths: (1) people keep repeating. This player "Y" is good because he plays with "Z". That is pure bull because other players also played with "Z" and didn't do as well.

(2) And again the too much invested in certain positions arguement. Turn down pro-bowl studs cause we have too much invested in DEs or OL or WR. Silly! That is beyond ludicrous. BRING IN TALENT. You can sort it out when they get here. DG's system works with TALENT. He believes in BPA remember! Not need.

Say you don't want Ogunlye fine but don't say it's because of the following bogus reasons:

1. He only had 1 good year.
2. He can't play LDE in the NFL.
3. He can't play opposite another light RDE.
4. Too much money invested in position.
5. He is only good because he plays with a good player.

You don't want him fine but come up with some legit reasons these are BS.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

If they WANT a second round pick then i'm sure they'd settle for a 3rd rounder.Green said he wants lots of speed on defense and Og seems like he'd fit Green's style.I guess the only question is, can he beat out Fred Wakefield ?

 

[azdad1978]

I rather start Ogunleye on the LDE spots than have Wakefield or KVB on LDE.