Ryan Lindley

[Totally_Red]

just for giggles, who is the last mediocre to average QB that was "coached up" by Arians/Moore/anyone else and become a success?

If you're talking about unheraled lower round/undrafted types....

Kurt Warner? Tom Brady?

But it is definitely the exception to the rule.

 

[PDXChris]

just for giggles, who is the last mediocre to average QB that was "coached up" by Arians/Moore/anyone else and become a success?

To be fair, Arians had 3 #1 picks, another first rounder in Ben and Holcomb for one season. Holcomb put his best numbers up that year.

1998–2000 Indianapolis Colts (QB) Manning first three seasons
2001–2003 Cleveland Browns (OC) Tim Couch - his best two season and only winning season and Kelly Holcomb for one season, which was also Kelly's best.
2004–2006 Pittsburgh Steelers (WR) Roethlisberger first three seasons
2007–2011 Pittsburgh Steelers (OC) Roethlisberger again.
2012 Indianapolis Colts (OC/interim HC) Andrew Luck first season

Moore is an interesting one, Mark Sanchez had a great season the one year he was in NY, went to the playoffs with Scott Mitchell and Mitchell almost put of 5K yards, but did not do much with Rich Gannon in Gannon's first three years as a starter. Although, Gannon went on to have some success, so who knows.

 

[CaptainCobre]

And one of the reasons San Diego State is very unlikely. . .

Yeah, I knew that, I just got lazy typing.

San Diego State is still very unlikely to develop an NFL ready QB. There are few schools/systems that can do so if you are talking about early round talent.

That said, I'm not sold on Lindley, but I'm willing to give the coaches a chance to develop him if they think there is something there and not judge him based only on last year.

. . . . to develop an NFL ready QB is because they have already done it once -- Dennis Shaw, NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year in 1970.

So the odds of San Diego State developing another NFL ready quarterback has to be astronomically low. . . . . . . .

 

[Duckjake]

. . . . to develop an NFL ready QB is because they have already done it once -- Dennis Shaw, NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year in 1970.

So the odds of San Diego State developing another NFL ready quarterback has to be astronomically low. . . . . . . .

Of course an NFL Hall of Fame quality Running Back might be a different story.

 

[New Mexico]

Lindley. Ugh.

 

[machgman]

The Facts On Skelton and Lindley

It wasn't really fair that he play at all last year.

Coming from a school like San Diego, he was, in no way, ready for NFL speed. Skelton was in a similar boat, but had a bit more time to be ready.

If you draft a small-school project, you have to give them the years it takes to develop. I have no idea if Lindley will/would have become something. But, I'll trust the coaches to develop him properly this time if they still see the potential.

To be accurate, San Diego State is a much bigger and better football program with many, many times better caliber competition than Skelton faced coming out of Fordham in the Patriot League which is a small college league. Lindley also had the advantage of waiting until near the end of the season to play as well as having benefit of mini-camp and OTAs. Sure, he did not get much snaps at training camp as those were reserved for competition between Kolb and Skelton to determine the starter.

But let's keep in mind the situation Skelton faced as a rookie when he had to end up playing after Anderson and Hall were proven to ineffective. After Skelton was drafted, there were no mini-camp and OTAs due to the lockout; Skelton received no NFL schooling there whereas Lindley got to participate in his rookie mini-camp and OTAs. During Skelton's rookie training camp, he was pushed aside as all of the snaps and attention went to Leinart and Anderson. Any other spare QB training went to Max Hall after he impressed the coaches with his verbal mastery of the playbook and his decent execution during reduced speed practices. Skelton was left out, as under Whisenhunt, there were no extra "teaching coaches" as there is now under the BA regime.

Sent in to play in his rookie year with virtually little NFL training other than holding the clipboard, listening, and watching, Skelton posted a 2-2 record as a starter, 2 TDs, 2 Ints, and a 62.3 QB rating. In his second year after he had the benefit of mini-camp and OTAs, but no work during Training Camp as that all went to get Kolb up to speed, Skelton ended up being 5-2 as a starter with 11 TDs, 14 Ints, and a 68.9 QB rating.

Of course as we all know, once Whisenhunt decided to give Skelton the special attention and training he had given Kolb, Leinart, and Anderson, Skelton's game fell completely apart and he was terrible last season. Skelton exhibited the same problems Kolb and Leinart did after being trained by Whisenhunt - they no longer trusted what their eyes saw and either checked down or gambled with their passes. Of course the horrible offensive line did not help anyone.

After checking the Bengals blogs, it seems that Skelton may be making a successful enough transition to mastering the Bengals' West Coast offense. This is no small accomplishment if it works out since Skelton played a spread offense in college and a vertical offense with the Cards. His last scrimmage of the Bengals' last OTA went fairly well. Skelton was effective and threw accurate passes, all incompletions were drops right out of the hands of the receivers.

Of course we know that a big part of the reason the Cards cut Skelton was because they had already promised the back-up spot to Stanton after telling him he was the starter before Carson Palmer. It would not have been a happy QB room if the Cards had kept Skelton and he developed into a better QB than Stanton. Also, it would not have been fair to Skelton if that was the case and the Cards kept him as the third QB. The only fly in the ointment is if Palmer and Stanton are unable to play, Skelton, with decent QB training under BA, would have been a good back-up to have as he proved in his first two seasons. Ryan Lindley seems to be a real nice guy who throws a "pretty spiral," but he has not proven anything so far but bad results.

 

[waterboy]

Shoulda kept Hoyer. Keeping Lindley was FO's first big mistake.

 

[cardpa]

To be accurate, San Diego State is a much bigger and better football program with many, many times better caliber competition than Skelton faced coming out of Fordham in the Patriot League which is a small college league. Lindley also had the advantage of waiting until near the end of the season to play as well as having benefit of mini-camp and OTAs. Sure, he did not get much snaps at training camp as those were reserved for competition between Kolb and Skelton to determine the starter.

But let's keep in mind the situation Skelton faced as a rookie when he had to end up playing after Anderson and Hall were proven to ineffective. After Skelton was drafted, there were no mini-camp and OTAs due to the lockout; Skelton received no NFL schooling there whereas Lindley got to participate in his rookie mini-camp and OTAs. During Skelton's rookie training camp, he was pushed aside as all of the snaps and attention went to Leinart and Anderson. Any other spare QB training went to Max Hall after he impressed the coaches with his verbal mastery of the playbook and his decent execution during reduced speed practices. Skelton was left out, as under Whisenhunt, there were no extra "teaching coaches" as there is now under the BA regime.

Sent in to play in his rookie year with virtually little NFL training other than holding the clipboard, listening, and watching, Skelton posted a 2-2 record as a starter, 2 TDs, 2 Ints, and a 62.3 QB rating. In his second year after he had the benefit of mini-camp and OTAs, but no work during Training Camp as that all went to get Kolb up to speed, Skelton ended up being 5-2 as a starter with 11 TDs, 14 Ints, and a 68.9 QB rating.

Of course as we all know, once Whisenhunt decided to give Skelton the special attention and training he had given Kolb, Leinart, and Anderson, Skelton's game fell completely apart and he was terrible last season. Skelton exhibited the same problems Kolb and Leinart did after being trained by Whisenhunt - they no longer trusted what their eyes saw and either checked down or gambled with their passes. Of course the horrible offensive line did not help anyone.

After checking the Bengals blogs, it seems that Skelton may be making a successful enough transition to mastering the Bengals' West Coast offense. This is no small accomplishment if it works out since Skelton played a spread offense in college and a vertical offense with the Cards. His last scrimmage of the Bengals' last OTA went fairly well. Skelton was effective and threw accurate passes, all incompletions were drops right out of the hands of the receivers.

Of course we know that a big part of the reason the Cards cut Skelton was because they had already promised the back-up spot to Stanton after telling him he was the starter before Carson Palmer. It would not have been a happy QB room if the Cards had kept Skelton and he developed into a better QB than Stanton. Also, it would not have been fair to Skelton if that was the case and the Cards kept him as the third QB. The only fly in the ointment is if Palmer and Stanton are unable to play, Skelton, with decent QB training under BA, would have been a good back-up to have as he proved in his first two seasons. Ryan Lindley seems to be a real nice guy who throws a "pretty spiral," but he has not proven anything so far but bad results.

And what was the common theme here.....Whisenhunt! The destroyer of QBs. The keeper of the QB graveyard. Wait until the SD fans see what Whiz will do to Rivers. They will be calling for his head 8 games into the season.

 

[Garthshort]

I haven't given up on Ryan Lindley. Sure he was terrible last year. But in fairness he never should have been on the field. Remember, no OL, no running game and no experience is a good recipe for disaster. If the Purdue QB moves ahead of him on the depth chart, or if his performance in PS games, playing with and against third teamers, well then maybe I'll change my mind.

 

[GuernseyCard]

Shoulda kept Hoyer. Keeping Lindley was FO's first big mistake.

Never heard of a team spending $2m on a third string QB.

 

[Duckjake]

I haven't given up on Ryan Lindley. Sure he was terrible last year. But in fairness he never should have been on the field. Remember, no OL, no running game and no experience is a good recipe for disaster. If the Purdue QB moves ahead of him on the depth chart, or if his performance in PS games, playing with and against third teamers, well then maybe I'll change my mind.

Actually Lindley should have never been drafted. But he was our 2nd 6th round pick and what is the success rate for those guys? 1 out of 2-3 hundred?

Doesn't cost much and if he plays we're in trouble anyway but at least he'd have some recent game experience with our team. Unlike the time we had to throw in Tim Rattay in '07.

 

[TJ]

Never heard of a team spending $2m on a third string QB.

This is the only reason Hoyer was released. If their salaries were equal, or Hoyer was making a little more than Lindley, Hoyer would be the one on the roster. Lindley is only on this team due to circumstance; not due to skill or production.

The NFL will exaggerate your weaknesses. Lindley was an inaccurate QB at SDSU and was even worse when he started. I never liked the pick, even if he was only a 6th round pick.

 

[Duckjake]

This is the only reason Hoyer was released. If their salaries were equal, or Hoyer was making a little more than Lindley, Hoyer would be the one on the roster. Lindley is only on this team due to circumstance; not due to skill or production.

The NFL will exaggerate your weaknesses. Lindley was an inaccurate QB at SDSU and was even worse when he started. I never liked the pick, even if he was only a 6th round pick.

The Cards did spend a million dollars on a 3rd string QB in 2009. $250,000 per pass. Nice work if you can get it.

 

[TJ]

The Cards did spend a million dollars on a 3rd string QB in 2009. $250,000 per pass. Nice work if you can get it.

Yes, but how much per page turned on the clipboard?

 

[Duckjake]

Yes, but how much per page turned on the clipboard?

Interesting question. But to answer we'd need to know how many pages were on the clipboard each game. I'd bet K9 could find a website that had that information.

 

[TJ]

Interesting question. But to answer we'd need to know how many pages were on the clipboard each game. I'd bet K9 could find a website that had that information.

Nah. He'd just belittle you for not referring to the important passes he threw as a member of the scout team. Or he'd perseverate on how he was one of Whiz's cronies from Pittsburgh. Hard to tell with someone who talks out of both sides of his mouth.

 

[Duckjake]

Nah. He'd just belittle you for not referring to the important passes he threw as a member of the scout team. Or he'd perseverate on how he was one of Whiz's cronies from Pittsburgh. Hard to tell with someone who talks out of both sides of his mouth.

You have it wrong. K9 would have info from SuperSecretnfloffthewallstats.com regarding clipboard holding. He never posts things like what you wrote. That's guys like me.

He also doesn't talk out of both sides of his mouth just switches sides on an issue so he can argue with you. I heard a rumor he cut down a tree in his backyard just so he'd have a stump to argue with every day.