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To me, it shows how empty an argument it is. The DH has been in MLB for over 40 years. It's only old farts who are so against it because of their nostalgia of their youth and so called 1950s/60s golden era. It's also selective "tradition".

It's the same concept as "there is no good music anymore". I'm sorry, I will not get off your lawn old man.

Lol, I don't know how old you think I am but I graduated high school during the current century.

By your logic anyone who supports the British still having a monarchy should also be down being a serf.

There are actually people who enjoy the strategic decisions that go into a baseball game and don't just watch for "HE DUN CRUSHED IT!"
 

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Lol, I don't know how old you think I am but I graduated high school during the current century.

By your logic anyone who supports the British still having a monarchy should also be down being a serf.

There are actually people who enjoy the strategic decisions that go into a baseball game and don't just watch for "HE DUN CRUSHED IT!"

That's a straw man!!! OMG!!!

I've already laid out a comprehensive argument that strategy in baseball encompasses much more than pitcher hitting avoidance and that the vast pitcher hitting situations are typically run "by-the-book" anyways leaving the concept of "strategy" out the window.

For you to equate simply "pitcher hitting avoidance" with "strategy" is nothing but a myopic view of the sport. You're not old, you're mislead. :D
 
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To me, it shows how empty an argument it is. The DH has been in MLB for over 40 years. It's only old farts who are so against it because of their nostalgia of their youth and so called 1950s/60s golden era. It's also selective "tradition".

It's the same concept as "there is no good music anymore". I'm sorry, I will not get off your lawn old man.

This post has been reported. Mod discussion forthcoming.

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No, it wasn't reported. That's how it works.

And I have no real desire to report it because I can take care of myself, but if we are going there then I guess I will need to. Its rediculous that people are so sensitive and abise the reporting.
 

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That's a straw man!!! OMG!!!

I've already laid out a comprehensive argument that strategy in baseball encompasses much more than pitcher hitting avoidance and that the vast pitcher hitting situations are typically run "by-the-book" anyways leaving the concept of "strategy" out the window.

For you to equate simply "pitcher hitting avoidance" with "strategy" is nothing but a myopic view of the sport. You're not old, you're mislead. :D
lol, I was deliberately posing an equally obnoxious stance.

And I don't even care either way, if the NL went with a DH it wouldn't irk me, but I find the argument of anyone who doesn't want something to change should also be upset by changes that happened 100 years before their birth to be a joke.

The NL game forces tough choices on managers, it goes beyond simple "pitcher avoidance". Double switches, having to decide to let a starter hit when he is pitching well but your team has runners on.

Also, I didn't report you. I don't know what it would take for me to report someone but it would be much more than someone making a wildly inaccurate guess of my age.
 

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lol, I was deliberately posing an equally obnoxious stance.

And I don't even care either way, if the NL went with a DH it wouldn't irk me, but I find the argument of anyone who doesn't want something to change should also be upset by changes that happened 100 years before their birth to be a joke.

It is a joke, but like you I was being overly absurd as well because liking what you grew up with is a different argument than some objective “tradition” argument. I can’t argue the personal aesthetics someone possesses, but I can argue with the rational they attempt to justify that personal taste as “better”.
The NL game forces tough choices on managers, it goes beyond simple "pitcher avoidance". Double switches, having to decide to let a starter hit when he is pitching well but your team has runners on.
Can you find an event where the double switch didn’t occur with the pitcher due up in the first three of the next inning and a player who hit in the inning before wasn’t switched out? That would be interesting, but I don’t think something outside of my scenario really happens so that is less a choice than a step by numbers.
You don’t see a double switch when you expect the pitcher to throw only one inning or get only one out, you do it, always when you need a pitching change and the above is your scenario.

The decision to let a starter hit when his is pitching also has common dance steps the more details you reveal about the situation, but the core of it is, you’re forcing the manager to have an obvious weakness in his team he has to manage around. If this adds to the game, why not create a rule that makes every MLB team carry one HS freshman? Some would be better than others, naturally, but all would be worse than anything else you could put out there and the managers would have to manage around them. I know that is absurd, but it is an extreme level of the same concept of pitcher hitting avoidance, which you say these decisions go beyond, but you give two examples of doing just that.

Other decisions managers have to step through are runner on 2B and the 8th spot at bat. Boom IBB. There are more SAC and more IBB in the NL. Those are boring. These NL teams are boring us.

Also, I didn't report you. I don't know what it would take for me to report someone but it would be much more than someone making a wildly inaccurate guess of my age.
I know you didn’t. It was most likely BC867 considering his past of reporting posts by me like such.
 
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Both Az Native and DWKB were equally out of line on this thread.

This is a warning. Next action is a week ban.
 

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It was most likely BC867 considering his past of reporting posts by me like such.
How easy it is to make a vague accusation. I have never reported a poster. I, too, don't know the procedure.

If I react to a public post I consider unjust, like age discrimination in this case, I do it in the same format -- in a public post.

I'll accept your apology if you care enough to do it. That, too, in public.

I've posted in the past, "Attack problems, not people."

That is the opposite of attacking a poster rather than addressing their opinion.
 

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How easy it is to make a vague accusation. I have never reported a poster. I, too, don't know the procedure.

If I react to a public post I consider unjust, like age discrimination in this case, I do it in the same format -- in a public post.

I'll accept your apology if you care enough to do it. That, too, in public.

I've posted in the past, "Attack problems, not people."

That is the opposite of attacking a poster rather than addressing their opinion.

If you truly didn't report me, then my apology.
 

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If you truly didn't report me, then my apology.
Thank you. I appreciate that.

There was one other way I reacted when another poster was getting personal some years ago. That was by private message. Me to him. It was a pleasure to see his posts become objective.
 

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Ryan Vogelsong underwent surgery today by Dr. Randall Beatty at Allegheny General Hospital to repair multiple facial fractures.
 
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Vogelsong is pitching tonight. Just laid down a nice sacrifice bunt, too. :thumbup:
 
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