Ryan Williams is this year's 2nd round pick.

[TJ]

However, I can see why people would get tired of debating a topic over and over. That's why its important to keep the horse alive with new slants on the dumb things the Cards have done over the years.

Precisely. Which is why I'm done debating Kolb v. Skelton until the season starts. I can see this becoming as vitriolic as Warner v. Leinart in 2008. I root against neither and hope both make strong cases to be the starter in 2012.

I'll leave it to you to hate on everyone in the organization to apply the Duckjake curse .

 

[Duckjake]

Precisely. Which is why I'm done debating Kolb v. Skelton until the season starts. I can see this becoming as vitriolic as Warner v. Leinart in 2008. I root against neither and hope both make strong cases to be the starter in 2012.

I'll leave it to you to hate on everyone in the organization to apply the Duckjake curse .

Nothing like a QB controversy. I hate it when we get into a situation where there is the very distinct possibility that the #1 QB is going to get booed if the Cards offense doesn't play well early in the season. And we definitely have that in Arizona. Maybe the strong finish last season and the Defense will keep the fans from doing that. Nothing like a top defense coming on to the field to keep people from getting upset about the offense floundering.

 

[TJ]

Nothing like a QB controversy. I hate it when we get into a situation where there is the very distinct possibility that the #1 QB is going to get booed if the Cards offense doesn't play well early in the season. And we definitely have that in Arizona. Maybe the strong finish last season and the Defense will keep the fans from doing that. Nothing like a top defense coming on to the field to keep people from getting upset about the offense floundering.

As they say, a fan's best friend is the backup QB. The pressure is on Kolb more so than Skelton because of expectations and salary. Naturally, he is the target of many fans and every pass will be scrutinized carefully. Meaning he can't throw a single incompletion in preseason .

J/K.

That's what Leinart did in 2010. IMO, he was so scared in 2010 of losing his job that he threw nothing but check downs and short passes, padding his accuracy stats (IIRC, he went 9/10 in one preseason game in 2010).

 

[BigRedRage]

As they say, a fan's best friend is the backup QB. The pressure is on Kolb more so than Skelton because of expectations and salary. Naturally, he is the target of many fans and every pass will be scrutinized carefully. Meaning he can't throw a single incompletion in preseason .

J/K.

That's what Leinart did in 2010. IMO, he was so scared in 2010 of losing his job that he threw nothing but check downs and short passes, padding his accuracy stats (IIRC, he went 9/10 in one preseason game in 2010).

Thanks to SMEL.

Elite. top 10 QB entire league.

 

[Phrazbit]

Except for the fact that it hasn't played itself out, and you know not how it will... you're absolutely, absolutely right!

I realize the horse has been beat to death... but even if Kolb miraculously becomes competent, healthy and consistent, it still doesn't change that the Cards got fleeced in the trade negotiations.

 

[kerouac9]

Nothing like a QB controversy. I hate it when we get into a situation where there is the very distinct possibility that the #1 QB is going to get booed if the Cards offense doesn't play well early in the season. And we definitely have that in Arizona. Maybe the strong finish last season and the Defense will keep the fans from doing that. Nothing like a top defense coming on to the field to keep people from getting upset about the offense floundering.

I actually don't believe that this is an enormous possibility. I think that Cards fans are cautiously optimistic and really want Kevin Kolb to succeed. Because the coaching staff has been lukewarm on him, the local beat writers haven't really ginned up the John Skelton bandwagon like they could if we were living in, say, San Francisco or Chicago. You hear more about Skelton's potential from national writers like Sando than you here from our local guys.

Fans here put up with Kolb's anemic offensive production before his injury. As long as the defense can keep games close and Whis is smart enough to hand the ball off to Beanie and Williams early and often, fans'll be on the edge of their seats.

 

[TJ]

Thanks to SMEL.

Elite. top 10 QB ever.

I FTFY for SMEL

 

[BigRedRage]

I FTFY for SMEL

seriously, his completion percentage in that game was as good as peyton manning has ever been.

 

[Duckjake]

I actually don't believe that this is an enormous possibility. I think that Cards fans are cautiously optimistic and really want Kevin Kolb to succeed. Because the coaching staff has been lukewarm on him, the local beat writers haven't really ginned up the John Skelton bandwagon like they could if we were living in, say, San Francisco or Chicago. You hear more about Skelton's potential from national writers like Sando than you here from our local guys.

Fans here put up with Kolb's anemic offensive production before his injury. As long as the defense can keep games close and Whis is smart enough to hand the ball off to Beanie and Williams early and often, fans'll be on the edge of their seats.

I hope you're right. Because as you stated the Clark Kents in the Phoenix media haven't built up either qb or seemed interested in stirring things up. But the boo birds were out quickly last season when the offense was struggling. Of course that was after a disaster of a season and this year we'll be coming off a strong finish.

 

[oaken1]

I am pretty happy with this draft....all smartasses aside...many publications and analysts made statements to the affect that mid second round level talent will be found in the third and fourth round this year due to the overall depth of this draft class...minimal superstar quality....but an overload of blue collar decent football players. If we had to lose a second, this was the draft to do it.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I am pretty happy with this draft....all smartasses aside...many publications and analysts made statements to the affect that mid second round level talent will be found in the third and fourth round this year due to the overall depth of this draft class...minimal superstar quality....but an overload of blue collar decent football players. If we had to lose a second, this was the draft to do it.

I'm happy with this draft too but in large part because if there was ever a draft to have a 2nd round pick, this was it. I'm not gnashing my teeth over it though as I still have no problem with Management's decision to pursue Kolb. Not every decision pays dividends and I'd much rather see an error of commission from our Front Office than one from inaction.

Steve

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I realize the horse has been beat to death... but even if Kolb miraculously becomes competent, healthy and consistent, it still doesn't change that the Cards got fleeced in the trade negotiations.

So you're saying if Kolb becomes a top 12 QB this year(not saying he will but for arguments sake), DRC continues to do his best Eric Green impression, and Vinny Curry never makes a play for Philly, that it was still a bad trade? .

 

[devilalum]

So you're saying if Kolb becomes a top 12 QB this year(not saying he will but for arguments sake), DRC continues to do his best Eric Green impression, and Vinny Curry never makes a play for Philly, that it was still a bad trade? .

IMO a bad trade is when you deal first round draft picks for cash.
The Cards needed a QB and they took a risk especially on the financial end. As a fan what more can you ask for?

 

[AzStevenCal]

So you're saying if Kolb becomes a top 12 QB this year(not saying he will but for arguments sake), DRC continues to do his best Eric Green impression, and Vinny Curry never makes a play for Philly, that it was still a bad trade? .

He'll tell you it was a bad trade at the time even if Kolb becomes the greatest QB of all time. Pbit is convinced that we were the only team foolish enough to want him so there was no reason to meet Philly's demands.

Steve

 

[Goldfield]

I accept your apology. I love it when someone recognizes they've erred and steps up and accepts it. Well done. Top of the charts.

Steve

Lol. No problem

 

[Goldfield]

So we should view our front office the same way competitors are viewed in the Special Olympics?

I like a lot of what the team has done lately but the Kolb trade is and was a disaster from every angle.

I never wanted Kolb. I thought Orton would of gave us more for less. But being a cardinal fan it was out of the norm to see them make such a bold move to try to improve. Even if some of it was Fitz pleasing related.

 

[Goldfield]

So... if Kolb continues his massive, successful history and leads the Cards to a 2-4 record this year before getting injured again, just the fact that the Cards "tried" makes the move successful? Was drafting Leinart a successful move, as well, because they hadn't drafted a QB in the first round in ages and ages?

I think that most Kolb skeptics are fine with him not working out so far, because the understanding is that we're done with him after this year if he's not above-average. But don't try and spin it that at least trying was a "W".

I never said It was a success. But if you have been a card fan very long you know they are not ones to make bold moves to try to improve.

I thought Orton would of been a better move for less compensation.

 

[Longcolts]

I never said It was a success. But if you have been a card fan very long you know they are not ones to make bold moves to try to improve.

I thought Orton would of been a better move for less compensation.

I always found it strange that Denver refused a 3d round pick for Orton, and then ultimately after 5 games just flat released him, getting nothing in return. Now that strikes me as a penny wise and a pound foolish.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

i love that this thread got hijacked from r. williams to kolb.

that said, i have very little hope for williams this year (and maybe ever). i know we've seen quite a few medicos make mention of recovery, but the fact remains, my father is a very well-respected orthopaedic surgeon and a long-time cards fan (season ticker holder from day one in AZ), and i just asked about it again this weekend and he just shakes his head. he's not expecting anything from williams ever again. granted pops is a bit of a pessimist when it comes to the cards, but he's generally an optimist when it comes to his medical practice and his patients' prognosis. i'm worried some of you may be in for a tremendous let-down. i hope i'm in for an unreal surprise.

 

[Russ Smith]

i love that this thread got hijacked from r. williams to kolb.

that said, i have very little hope for williams this year (and maybe ever). i know we've seen quite a few medicos make mention of recovery, but the fact remains, my father is a very well-respected orthopaedic surgeon and a long-time cards fan (season ticker holder from day one in AZ), and i just asked about it again this weekend and he just shakes his head. he's not expecting anything from williams ever again. granted pops is a bit of a pessimist when it comes to the cards, but he's generally an optimist when it comes to his medical practice and his patients' prognosis. i'm worried some of you may be in for a tremendous let-down. i hope i'm in for an unreal surprise.

Yeah I remember you saying at the time it was a career ending injury.

Did we ever find out conclusively when they said ruptured patella tendon does that mean total or partial?

 

[Russ Smith]

FWIW, 2 quick googles reveal Williams saying he's 75% recovered (March 24th) and Whiz telling CBSsports 3 weeks ago that Williams looks good is working hard and they expect him to make a full recovery.

I know what else is he going to say but I'm pulling for the kid just love him as a player sure hope he can make it back.

 

[speedy]

To get back on topic..

Don't jinx the dude. Cody brown was our second rd pick in 09, was injured in his rookie preseason, spent the year on IR, and was released the following training camp. I think very highly of Williams, but I also had high hopes for brown.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I think anythng we get out of Williams should be considered a bonus and the Cards should look at bringing in a veteran RB as an insurance policy. A guy like Sammy Morris, Joseph Addai or Ryan Grant would fit the bill.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I think anythng we get out of Williams should be considered a bonus and the Cards should look at bringing in a veteran RB as an insurance policy. A guy like Sammy Morris, Joseph Addai or Ryan Grant would fit the bill.

agreed.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

So you're saying if Kolb becomes a top 12 QB this year(not saying he will but for arguments sake), DRC continues to do his best Eric Green impression, and Vinny Curry never makes a play for Philly, that it was still a bad trade? .

DRC is now the unequivical starter with Samuels gone and Vinny Curry WILL be a good DE. It will take time but the kid can rush the passer.