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I watched this week's opponent play host to the Saints in Charlotte. Some observations for what they are worth.

This was one of the poorest games I've seen Drew Brees play. The Panthers pretty much played seven in the box and dared to the Saints to run. Brees finished with a passer rating of 61.0, threw one pick, and could easily have had 2-3 more if the Panthers had held on to them. Colston was playing with some kind of splint on his left hand and dropped two perfectly thrown passes. The Saints lost Reggie Bush on the final play of the first half.

Brian "Baldy" Baldinger had a couple of good observations. After watching a lot of tape of the Saints, he said the New Orleans front four is not nearly as effective on the road as they are in the Superdome. That was apparent in the game, as they seldom got pressure on Delhomme with just their front four rushing. Saints did do a decent job of limiting Williams and Stewart in the ground game, but Steve Smith had a big day.

One of the things Baldy pointed out was how poor New Orleans is on third and short. They are near the bottom in the NFL. He was critical of Sean Payton for always trying to run the ball, instead of occasionally passing. Sure enough, several times in this game, they were stuffed at the line of scrimmage.

John Fox is still John Fox. He berated the officials a couple times for what I thought were legitimate calls. He reminds me of a parent whose kid never does anything wrong. Instead of correcting kid(player), he lambastes the officiating. And Carolina is "who we thought they were." Run first and try to get an occasional play down the field with Steve Smith. They ran the ball 37 times, passed 22 times.

Carolina's defense is pretty good, they play tough. The Cardinals are going to have to earn a victory. Julius Peppers is in a contract year, and played very well on Sunday IMO. He'll be a handful for Mike Gandy and Levi Brown. Also, Brees has several passes batted down. One possible area to exploit in the Panther defense is rookie safety Charles Godfrey. He blew at least one coverage, and drew a tongue lashing from cornerback Ken Lucas.

Conclusion: Carolina bounced back against the Saints. The Saints looked out of rythmn all day, and it was obvious that Shockey and Colston were rusty and not in sync with Drew.
If the Cardinals defense can bring their show on the road, and the offensive line can protect Kurt Warner, and our receivers can win one-on-one battles, there is no reason the Cardinals can't pull the offset. But the Cardinals will need a big game from Q and/or Fitz and some contribution from the ground game.
 

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Thanks for the report. It fills out the bigger picture beyond the raw numbers.
 

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If the Cardinals defense can bring their show on the road, and the offensive line can protect Kurt Warner, and our receivers can win one-on-one battles, there is no reason the Cardinals can't pull the offset. But the Cardinals will need a big game from Q and/or Fitz and some contribution from the ground game.

That's alot of 'ifs' but I see your point.
 
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That's alot of 'ifs' but I see your point.

Peter King has the Panthers rated just ahead of Washington in 5th or 6th place. Other than the TB fiasco, their only loss was to the the Vikings in the Metrodome. Minnesota's famous run defense held Carolina to 2.4 ypc and sacked Delhomme 5 times and forced him to fumble 3 times, losing two.

It won't be easy, but it's not impossible.
 

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Let's face it the key to this game is where it's played, they're 4-0 at home 1-2 on the road, we're 3-0 at home 1-2 on the road.

For us to win we have to break 2 patterns, our pattern of starting slowly on the road, and their pattern of starting fast at home.

It'd be a huge win if we can get it because it's another example of the types of games in the past we've always found a way to lose.
 

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Caards are +4.5 which seems a little low to me.
 

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Let's face it the key to this game is where it's played, they're 4-0 at home 1-2 on the road, we're 3-0 at home 1-2 on the road.

For us to win we have to break 2 patterns, our pattern of starting slowly on the road, and their pattern of starting fast at home.

It'd be a huge win if we can get it because it's another example of the types of games in the past we've always found a way to lose.

I suspect that Wis will play this one close to the vest offensively, operating under the premise that a couple early turnovers could end this game before it really gets started.

The key will be the defensive line. If it shuts down the run and pressures the passer with four like they did vs Buff and Dall -- its a game.
 

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The Panthers lost to TB because of turnovers. The key to beating the Panthers is stopping the run game and forcing Delhomme to make throws without play-action. Even from a Panthers fan, Delhomme is mistake prone when the game isn't going the Panthers way. He isn't the carry the team on his back kind of QB that can win the game all on his own. He needs the likes of Steve Smith and Muhammad to make plays after the catch, a running game to bring guys into the box to open up the passing game, and most of all, he needs the defense to keep the score low so he doesn't need to pass more than 25 times. Looking at the stats, Delhomme threw the ball 39 times in the loss to Tampa and had 3 INTs. If Arizona can get ahead early and force the Panthers to play catchup, it will likely end in a Carolina loss.
 

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The Panthers lost to TB because of turnovers. The key to beating the Panthers is stopping the run game and forcing Delhomme to make throws without play-action. Even from a Panthers fan, Delhomme is mistake prone when the game isn't going the Panthers way. He isn't the carry the team on his back kind of QB that can win the game all on his own. He needs the likes of Steve Smith and Muhammad to make plays after the catch, a running game to bring guys into the box to open up the passing game, and most of all, he needs the defense to keep the score low so he doesn't need to pass more than 25 times. Looking at the stats, Delhomme threw the ball 39 times in the loss to Tampa and had 3 INTs. If Arizona can get ahead early and force the Panthers to play catchup, it will likely end in a Carolina loss.

That's the key to every NFL game, in general the team that turns it over the most loses. That's why coaches like John Fox are so successful in the NFL, they install a value the ball discipline and run an offense based on that. Consistency over flash.

That's why when Carolina has a bad year and people write them off as done for, they seem to come back the next year, because they all buy into the program Fox has in place. that's what is happening now in Arizona the players are believing in what Whiz does.

The one bad game this year was the 7 TO game against the Jets and even in that one we made it interesting.

It'll be a tough game Carolina typically doesn't beat themselves, especially at home.
 
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