Sando: Kolb

[Shane]

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/71741/chat-wrap-defending-an-unpopular-trade

Fair!

 

[az jam]

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/71741/chat-wrap-defending-an-unpopular-trade

Fair!

Agree, that is the reality of the situation.

 

[az1965]

so add Kolb's payment to Larry's contract worth and that is how much Larry's new deal has cost us. I would have let Larry walk if that is the case. He is not the last great WR.

 

[Shane]

so add Kolb's payment to Larry's contract worth and that is how much Larry's new deal has cost us. I would have let Larry walk if that is the case. He is not the last great WR.

 

[az1965]

 

[82CardsGrad]

"Next up for Kolb: a Saturday night exhibition against the Oakland Raiders, who allowed three points to Dallas in their opener a week ago."


He couldn't even get the day of our next game right... totally discredits his entire article...

 

[crisper57]

"Next up for Kolb: a Saturday night exhibition against the Oakland Raiders, who allowed three points to Dallas in their opener a week ago."


He couldn't even get the day of our next game right... totally discredits his entire article...

Maybe that is when NFL Network will get around to airing it?

 

[red desert]

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/71741/chat-wrap-defending-an-unpopular-trade

Fair!

Yup.

 

[football karma]

so add Kolb's payment to Larry's contract worth and that is how much Larry's new deal has cost us. I would have let Larry walk if that is the case. He is not the last great WR.

So great

with no guarantee that the team would have finished high enough to get Luck or RG3 last year

We would be sitting here with Andre Roberts as our #1 WR, Skelton still as the likely starter -- or battling Brandon Weedon for the job

Or -- maybe we are here hoping that Blaine Gabbert comes on

I just can't see a clear path to "clearly in a better situation without Kolb and Larry".

 

[DemsMyBoys]

so add Kolb's payment to Larry's contract worth and that is how much Larry's new deal has cost us. I would have let Larry walk if that is the case. He is not the last great WR.

"I'm comin', Wheezy!"

 

[sportznutt]

If you're kidding, fine. If you're not........wow.

Larry might be one of the 5 best WR ever when it's all said and done.

 

[wa52lz]

"I'm comin', Wheezy!"

You mean Elizabeth.

 

[DemsMyBoys]

You mean Elizabeth.

You are absolutely right.

I stand corrected. I appreciate someone who knows his television characters.

 

[Phrazbit]

Its a big assumption to assume Larry leaves if we dont get Kolb. Its saying that Larry walks away from the biggest offer for any WO ever... so he can risk his career playing a year with no extension, and then test the free agent market in the hopes of getting a better offer... from a better team... with a high caliber QB.

Seriously... extremely hard to imagine that happens. Even if you pretend he flat out walks away from the offer (which would be the first time ever a guy walked away from being paid a record breaking deal), what team with an elite QB even had the cap space to make him a reasonable offer this last offseason?

The Kolb trade, taken on its own individual merit, was a complete disaster and we would be better off without having done it. The "Larry leaves if not" argument is hard to believe and reeks of an effort to save face by those who banged the drum for this stiff.

 

[Jetstream Green]

But Larry is not a stiff and did bang the drum and to think that having one of the greatest WRs to ever play the game (and even at this stage that is safe to say) give an opinion when he is looking for a new contract...you dang right that it is more than possible Fitz would have left if we did go after Kolb in a major way.

 

[CtCardinals78]

Its a big assumption to assume Larry leaves if we dont get Kolb. Its saying that Larry walks away from the biggest offer for any WO ever... so he can risk his career playing a year with no extension, and then test the free agent market in the hopes of getting a better offer... from a better team... with a high caliber QB.

Seriously... extremely hard to imagine that happens. Even if you pretend he flat out walks away from the offer (which would be the first time ever a guy walked away from being paid a record breaking deal), what team with an elite QB even had the cap space to make him a reasonable offer this last offseason?

The Kolb trade, taken on its own individual merit, was a complete disaster and we would be better off without having done it. The "Larry leaves if not" argument is hard to believe and reeks of an effort to save face by those who banged the drum for this stiff.

If the Cards didn't extend Fitz I could very easily have seen him as a New England Patriot.

 

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KOLLLLB!!!!

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Its a big assumption to assume Larry leaves if we dont get Kolb. Its saying that Larry walks away from the biggest offer for any WO ever... so he can risk his career playing a year with no extension, and then test the free agent market in the hopes of getting a better offer... from a better team... with a high caliber QB.

Seriously... extremely hard to imagine that happens. Even if you pretend he flat out walks away from the offer (which would be the first time ever a guy walked away from being paid a record breaking deal), what team with an elite QB even had the cap space to make him a reasonable offer this last offseason?

The Kolb trade, taken on its own individual merit, was a complete disaster and we would be better off without having done it. The "Larry leaves if not" argument is hard to believe and reeks of an effort to save face by those who banged the drum for this stiff.

I think it is more hard to believe that Fitz wouldn't have become, or received an offer making him the paid WR in NFL history. He likely would have received more than what he signed for with Az. You seriously think a guy like Jerry Jones or Daniel Snyder wouldn't have thrown the check book at Larry? I'm sure Fitzgerald and his agent knew that as well. As for cap space, teams make the adjustments to open up needed cap space when acquiring elite players.

I'm not saying Fitz signed because of Kolb, but more of the fact that the Cards FO showed they were proactive and are willing to try and make the needed moves to improve the team. Kolb is not working out but at least they tried.

 

[cardpa]

"I'm comin', Wheezy!"

Wheezy was George Jefferson's wife.

Good Night and God bless.

 

[Big D]

"a well-intentioned mistake"

That phrase pretty much sums up Cardinals football in a nutshell

 

[82CardsGrad]

"a well-intentioned mistake"

That phrase pretty much sums up Cardinals football in a nutshell

Dude - you don't come here often... but, when you do - you're epic!

 

[Russ Smith]

Its a big assumption to assume Larry leaves if we dont get Kolb. Its saying that Larry walks away from the biggest offer for any WO ever... so he can risk his career playing a year with no extension, and then test the free agent market in the hopes of getting a better offer... from a better team... with a high caliber QB.

Seriously... extremely hard to imagine that happens. Even if you pretend he flat out walks away from the offer (which would be the first time ever a guy walked away from being paid a record breaking deal), what team with an elite QB even had the cap space to make him a reasonable offer this last offseason?

The Kolb trade, taken on its own individual merit, was a complete disaster and we would be better off without having done it. The "Larry leaves if not" argument is hard to believe and reeks of an effort to save face by those who banged the drum for this stiff.

I think the general fear was teh Vikings would make an offer and being his history he'd take it?

No idea what their cap situation was and obviously they weren't stacked at QB.

True we can't prove he would have left but it was pretty much assumed the Cards had to have a QB or he was going to test FA. He may still have signed here but they didn't want to take that chance.

If we don't get Kolb, Larry walks, and then Kolb bombs out somewhere else I'm not so sure I'd be saying well at least we were right about Kolb?

They should have never gotten to that point with Fitz in the first place and as you've said before we should have addressed QB earlier. But we didn't and had to do something, which was Kolb.

 

[Big D]

Dude - you don't come here often... but, when you do - you're epic!

82, my man! I'm still around.

 

[BigRedRage]

82, my man! I'm still around.

your avatar...just above your head to the right...thats where we used to get down at halftime

 

[CardsFan88]

The Kolb trade, and the Kolb extensions are two different things. Two different decisions. If Larry had somehow wanted to walk if we didn't seem serious in acquiring a QB. That's what the trade is about. The extension?

The Kolb trade was bad.
Giving him a contract when he was still under one under the assumption that if not, he was going to tear it up and need a bigger one was idiotic.

New system, question marks about the lockout and his time to assimilate the offense, and that he would have had to come in that year and perform as well as Kurt Warner ever had to earn anything significantly more that what he got made our extension completely idiotic.

We could have signed him to a short one year extension (at most) or had him play out his current high paying contract.

No way was he going to get much more, and if he earned it, he earned it. You'd then be signing a known quantity. Anything short of 4000 yards and 30 td's, and we could of signed him to something relatively similar to what we did.

It's also a flat cap year, and the owners/front office saw the writing on the wall even better then us fans did. It was pretty obvious it wasn't going up very much and won't for the next couple of years.

The trade was bad. The extension was idiotic.

Larry wanted to see us trying, because anyone would. It is a stretch to say he would have left if we didn't get Kolb. But even if he put a gun to our head to make the trade.....the extension is another animal.

Personally if I was a player, and the front office came to me and said, we really want you to re-sign, and we're going to try to fix the QB situation. We see this guy Kolb, and we're going to do everything we can to trade for him.......

..... If he performs as expected, we'll lock him up, but if he doesn't work out, we'll still have the cap room to go after another guy. We're committed to finding a QB, not pretending to. We're not going to sign any guy for the sake of signing/trading for a guy and pretending he's the answer. Just like you, we want a real answer.

Which one would have impressed Larry more? Hoping and praying that giving a potential bum QB a contract turns him into a player, or continually doing what's necessary to find that QB, and give THAT person a contract.

The Cards front office picked up pennies in front of a steamroller thinking they found their QB, and counting their chickens before they hatched, not because they had, but because they fooled themselves into thinking someone who had little experience, and had been knocked out of his first game as THE starter because of a concussion, warranted such a leap of faith. By doing so, they'd be a leg up cap space wise against the competition.

Fact is, Kolb was under contract, and we should have made him play it out to see what he had. That would have been the ideal scenario. The next to ideal would have been to give him a one year extension for up to ten million, and if he performed well during the 2011 or 2012 seasons to our front office's satisfaction, then open negotiations and work on a long term deal.

We bought what was behind door #3, because if it turned out right, we'd be ahead by a few million in cap space. Instead we got a lawnmower, consistently rolling around on the ground.

What's done is done. But when looking back, we have to realize the Kolb situation is two bad decisions. Not just one. If one was somehow necessary to keep Fitz (a very debatable one), the other surely was not.