Sando's take on defense

[Arizona's Finest]

One thing I haven't seen taken into account is the offenses contribution in the defense this past week. The TOP was ridiculous in the first half and thankfully Wiz cleaned it up by getting Beanie the ball in the 2nd - and we dominated them after the half. Sometimes the quick strike can be as detrimental as the 3 and out in terms of allowing the defense time to regroup and I knew we were going to give up that last field goal mainly because the D got so worn out in the first half. I'm hoping we run the ball from the get go next week, but damn does Wiz love to pass the ball huh? That whole Steelers mentality is a total myth not based in facts.

I'm reading TheSmel and others lament how we got our but kicked all game....umm no we didn't. And the unsophisticated fans ( trust me I wanted to say something much worse there) are calling for Wizs head are failing to recognize he went to the half and handed a very good coach in Shanahan and Jim Haslett their heads in terms of the game plan.

All anyone does is look at the last drive and complain. Yet if Stuckey doesn't fumble the ball I would be 100 bucks we win tha game especially with all their injuries in the secondary.

If the offense can work with the defense and they actually get comfortable in the responsibilities, I don't think it's nearly the problem others do, provided we score 25+ a game.

Watch the difference with Dwash playing too.

 

[THESMEL]

Sandos is as big a tool as Whiz is if He doesn't credit Mike Miller/Whiz/Haley playcalling for most of our defensive and Oline Woes.

Everything I shout about was front anmd center in Washingtons Game plan with our 3rd best RB! They kicked our AZ and wore out our defense and had their way with us in the 4th 1/4. perfect game plan execution and i mean execution! put our defense right out of Horton's misery with a 2-1 TOP and more than 2-1 pass to run ratio.

If Horton has any Dick Lebue in him He will get Mike miller and Kolb by the throat and squeeze until they promise to never do that to their defense again! Whiz says when did we play defnse all day? When you got to score saving turnovers early that Mike Miller and Kolb seemed to fancy as another oppurtunity to to ignore the run and wear out the defense and oline even further!

Hey Sando it is the offense stupid! The defense aint great BUT A GREAT DEFENSE could not survive Ken Whisenhunts and now Kolb's now admitted in the press stupidity on offense. 3 carries in the fist hal;f? 14 carries for 90+ yards total with a 6,6 average is a freakin after thought?

Shanahan would destroy the Redskins with the Cardinals team 98 times out 100. THT was our 3rd best RB. (starting of course) ha 1/3 of the annual carries he got srating for the Cardinals in 2 games! He is a star!

Whisenhunt is the problem, And He still don't know it, has not got a clue! He just slipped right into it slinging crap at the defense, Oline, ST. That are in a horrible position to succeed every game. That is COACHING!

Do something fundementally sound Whisenhunt, study your own teams faults Kolb( like TOP, passing percentage, loss of leads, 48 plays to 79 Redskin plays with 2 + turnovers!

The Cardinals is the problem, they kill themselves, Suicidal ideation.

Sandos is just to lazy, and don't care to report the facts. He'll piggy back on Whiz's pressers and stupidity.


Cards team stats
http://www.nfl.com/teams/arizonacardinals/statistics?team=ARI

 

[conraddobler]

One thing I haven't seen taken into account is the offenses contribution in the defense this past week. The TOP was ridiculous in the first half and thankfully Wiz cleaned it up by getting Beanie the ball in the 2nd - and we dominated them after the half. Sometimes the quick strike can be as detrimental as the 3 and out in terms of allowing the defense time to regroup and I knew we were going to give up that last field goal mainly because the D got so worn out in the first half. I'm hoping we run the ball from the get go next week, but damn does Wiz love to pass the ball huh? That whole Steelers mentality is a total myth not based in facts.

I'm reading TheSmel and others lament how we got our but kicked all game....umm no we didn't. And the unsophisticated fans ( trust me I wanted to say something much worse there) are calling for Wizs head are failing to recognize he went to the half and handed a very good coach in Shanahan and Jim Haslett their heads in terms of the game plan.

All anyone does is look at the last drive and complain. Yet if Stuckey doesn't fumble the ball I would be 100 bucks we win tha game especially with all their injuries in the secondary.

If the offense can work with the defense and they actually get comfortable in the responsibilities, I don't think it's nearly the problem others do, provided we score 25+ a game.

Watch the difference with Dwash playing too.

Our coach lost the first half again, he does this a lot.

The one who got out coached was IMO Whiz, cause he lost the game.

 

[MrYeahBut]

A-Dub is a stand up guy. He takes plenty of blame when it's his.

IMO it's past time for him to fix it so he doesn't have to take any blame

 

[THESMEL]

poor Kolb

Poor Kolb is takin the blame for what Whiz did succeessfully with Kurt and not so successfully with Leinart, Tim H, Tim R, St pierre, DA, Hall, Skelton and Bartel.

Now when I say say successfully I mean 9 out 16 games with Edge starting in 8 of the games and in the playoffs on the way to the SB. running restinf the defense and setting up play action!

Not THT starting and getting 143 freakin carries as a starter RB, that is way less than 9 carries a game as a starter for 2 straight years, followed by a 153 carry 2010 season for an incredible 9.5 carries per game as a starting RB for the Cardinals!

name another HC trhat stupid, Glanville? Run and shoot? GSOT? I don't think so! Whiz is failing at HC pre school for HC toddlers! It is an easy fix but say at 66 games into his HC job, I don't see any reason to expect say 16 freakin carries next week!

Beanie should want to be gone as bad as THT! He is paper weight!

Our coach lost the first half again, he does this a lot.

The one who got out coached was IMO Whiz, cause he lost the game.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Our coach lost the first half again, he does this a lot.

The one who got out coached was IMO Whiz, cause he lost the game.

Disagree. Game 2 of the season with little tape of the new defenders for Washington is somewhat understandable to me. The great coaches are the ones that adjust at the half. And thats what Wiz did. I would make the argument he should have adjusted faster but Wiz has been consistent in having good game plans going into the 2nd half.

If you had to choose one or the other would you rather be outcoached quarters 1 and 2 OR 3 and 4?

 

[Duckjake]

One thing I haven't seen taken into account is the offenses contribution in the defense this past week. The TOP was ridiculous in the first half and thankfully Wiz cleaned it up by getting Beanie the ball in the 2nd - and we dominated them after the half. Sometimes the quick strike can be as detrimental as the 3 and out in terms of allowing the defense time to regroup and I knew we were going to give up that last field goal mainly because the D got so worn out in the first half. I'm hoping we run the ball from the get go next week, but damn does Wiz love to pass the ball huh? That whole Steelers mentality is a total myth not based in facts.

I'm reading TheSmel and others lament how we got our but kicked all game....umm no we didn't. And the unsophisticated fans ( trust me I wanted to say something much worse there) are calling for Wizs head are failing to recognize he went to the half and handed a very good coach in Shanahan and Jim Haslett their heads in terms of the game plan.

All anyone does is look at the last drive and complain. Yet if Stuckey doesn't fumble the ball I would be 100 bucks we win tha game especially with all their injuries in the secondary.

If the offense can work with the defense and they actually get comfortable in the responsibilities, I don't think it's nearly the problem others do, provided we score 25+ a game.

Watch the difference with Dwash playing too.

The Cards got hammered in the first quarter and the Cards got hammered in the 4th quarter. I know that there are die hards trying to polish this last game but the fact remains our defense is weak, because we lost both our starting CBs from last year and the Defense wasn't very good to begin with, and no amount of spin will change that.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Disagree. Game 2 of the season with little tape of the new defenders for Washington is somewhat understandable to me. The great coaches are the ones that adjust at the half. And thats what Wiz did. I would make the argument he should have adjusted faster but Wiz has been consistent in having good game plans going into the 2nd half.

If you had to choose one or the other would you rather be outcoached quarters 1 and 2 OR 3 and 4?

this "unsophisticated fan" is confused as to how you believe Wiz outcoached Shannahan in the fourth quarter when the Skins controlled TOP by a 2:1 margin and came back from an eight point deficit.

 

[THESMEL]

prove it

where has Whiz HAD A GREAT gameplan going into the 2nd half? We had 3 score leads and massive turnovers from our defense in the 1st half massive times compared to other NFL treams, just give it back, pass like our hair is on fire while ahead, when behind or when we are even.

I could count on one hand the times when We didn't play like we were behind and stupid in the 2nd halves. Seattle with Edge Starting at the end of 08 and the next 3 playoff games, We went to passing for a Steeler record 99 yard int in thew SB! We could have one that game solid? look at the run stats compared to the 4 previous games? by 1/4's by drive charts by TOP by volume of offensive and defensive plays?

I aint the brightest bulb in the pack, but I cut my teeth on Jim Brown and Leroy Kelley. And this stuff is a sin!

Where did you pull that great 2nd half game plans out of? I would like some hope please post some links, stats, Show where the pressure was not on our oline pass blocking and defense say 20% of the 2nd halves in 4 years? that is high I think it is less than 10% of the time since Matt Went down in 2007 that The Cardinals finished a close game off like a normal NFL team, confident and solid. Pittsburg in 07 and maybe 1 game a year since in the reg season.

Disagree. Game 2 of the season with little tape of the new defenders for Washington is somewhat understandable to me. The great coaches are the ones that adjust at the half. And thats what Wiz did. I would make the argument he should have adjusted faster but Wiz has been consistent in having good game plans going into the 2nd half.

If you had to choose one or the other would you rather be outcoached quarters 1 and 2 OR 3 and 4?

 

[JeffGollin]

K9's earlier post w. the offensive game log makes sense.

Even when we're successful on offense, a larger than usual number of big plays for TD's gives the other team more plays and a big time of possession edge.

Not only does it leave our defense on the field longer, it also distorts our total defensive stats.

Don't get me wrong - I love long plays. We just have to be more consistent moving the ball on other possessions (no doubt a function of better and more consistent offensive line play).

 

[SECTION 11]

We are spectacularly bad on defense. If Seattle even sniffs 400 yards on us then we should probably panic, in a loud, belligerent, ineffectual way.

 

[Duckjake]

We are spectacularly bad on defense. If Seattle even sniffs 400 yards on us then we should probably panic, in a loud, belligerent, ineffectual way.

Definitely. Our Offense is OK our Defense sucks. That's just the way it is. In fact with the Cardinals that's usually the way it is.

Hopefully our Offense can win more games than our Defense loses. Regardless, every Sunday will be fun because we really don't know what the heck is going to happen when these Redbirds games kickoff.

 

[Stout]

Sure we do. We could play Washington at WLB, Lenon at MLB, and Haggans at SLB (or Bradley where he was playing after an undrafted rookie (IIRC) took his job last year).

The problem is that we don't have a rush end anymore than we have a rush linebacker.

Yeah, if you want to lose. Lenon as a lone MLB would be eaten alive. Haggans doesn't have the speed to play an OLB in the 3-4 any more, let alone in the 4-3. Washington could do it, like I said.

People spouting off that we'd be more effective in a 4-3 don't know what they're talking about. Right now, we don't have the personnel to be effective in EITHER defense.

 

[kerouac9]

Yeah, if you want to lose. Lenon as a lone MLB would be eaten alive. Haggans doesn't have the speed to play an OLB in the 3-4 any more, let alone in the 4-3. Washington could do it, like I said.

People spouting off that we'd be more effective in a 4-3 don't know what they're talking about. Right now, we don't have the personnel to be effective in EITHER defense.

How would Lenon get eaten alive when he's protected by Dan Williams and Darnell Dockett? He was an MLB for the Lions and Packers (and Rams?).

What game are you watching where an SLB has to have even average speed? Every SLB in the game comes off the field in passing situations. Haggans plays like an SLB right now, anyway.

If Lenon gets pushed around, then you put Bradley in the middle and move Lenon to the Strongside LB position. There he'll be protected by Calais Campbell in front of him and (a hopefully more) physical Patrick Peterson on the outside. Or you could still play Haggans there.

We just don't have enough good defensive players. The best thing we could do is run an undersized Tampa-2 with Schofield-Dockett-Williams-Campbell and hope that by rotating in Porter and Haggans you're keeping guys fresh.

Tampa-2 allows us to take advantage of PP's size as well as limits the damage that Adrian Wilson can do to the defense. You could even let Washington play MLB and have him make those deep drops with his speed.

 

[Duckjake]

Yeah, if you want to lose. Lenon as a lone MLB would be eaten alive. Haggans doesn't have the speed to play an OLB in the 3-4 any more, let alone in the 4-3. Washington could do it, like I said.

People spouting off that we'd be more effective in a 4-3 don't know what they're talking about. Right now, we don't have the personnel to be effective in EITHER defense.

Sadly you are right. We have the interior players and we have the Safeties. What we don't have are OLBs and CBs. The OLBs are too old the CBs too young.

But if things work out we eventually will have two young veteran OLBs in Acho and Schofield. And we'll have 3 good young veteran CBs in PP21, Toler, and Jefferson. And a solid veteran Dline and a young veteran WILB.

Get a young SILB and an eventual replacement for AncientDub and the Cards could have a solid defense for years.

Yeah I know. If and hope. But the young birds look good so far.

Meanwhile we'll just have to get ready for Sunday's where we have no idea what the outcome will be. Better than last season when there was no chance and worse than 2009 when the other team had no chance.