Sarver Diss

[Black Jesus]

Sarver Diss

44 Minutes into B.S. Report 6/23

"They are terrified to lose Nash, but they don't want to spend enough money to build a championship contender around him... They are not going to say here is our commitment move to you, Steve Nash. They are just hoping he signs there out of guilt."

"I don't think that owner wants to own that team. Why do you own a basketball team if you don't want to spend money. Especially in Phoenix, a team that has been contending since they got a team in 1970. What is in it for you to be that guy who is out at dinner while everyone else glares at you and says 'That is the guy that ruined the Suns'."

I love Bill Simmons for the most part. He is knowledgeable about most NBA franchise situations and he keeps it real. He doesn't pull punches, and has been very accurate in his Suns reporting.

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

Fockner should've stayed in tucson. U of A alumni don't fare well in phx

 

[HooverDam]

Heard it and I agree, though he meant to say 1968- not 1970!

 

[hsandhu]

heard it too, sarver is a clown

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

I love Bill Simmons

His mailbag Q&As are stupendous

 

[lauraw]

How do we get rid of Sarver's ass? A puplic no-vote of confidence? 50,000 signatures...? People don't like to hear the truth that since JC left town and his Son more importantly was allowed to leave the suns culture is hollow-Sarver and now Kerr are gutting it with their inexperience...

 

[Chris_Sanders]

How do we get rid of Sarver's ass? A puplic no-vote of confidence? 50,000 signatures...? People don't like to hear the truth that since JC left town and his Son more importantly was allowed to leave the suns culture is hollow-Sarver and now Kerr are gutting it with their inexperience...

I despise Sarver as much as anyone but Colangelo is the guy who sold the team to such a knucklehead.

Come on...take the money and run...woo woo woo.

 

[JS22]

I know that this is going to most likely change. BUT, the Suns currently have the highest payroll in the entire league. To say that Sarver does not want to spend money is just ********.

He had to be willing to spend money to get to this point.

Is Sarver not the smartest of owners? Probably. But cheap? No.

 

[elindholm]

I know that this is going to most likely change. BUT, the Suns currently have the highest payroll in the entire league. To say that Sarver does not want to spend money is just ********.

He had to be willing to spend money to get to this point.

Is Sarver not the smartest of owners? Probably. But cheap? No.

That's true. The problem has been spending money without looking into the future. I supported the Diaw extension, because it looked like a fair price for a valuable player. But even at the time, I said that it must mean that another big salary would be gone, or that the team would be paying massive luxury tax.

The 2007-08 team could have been the best in the league, but Sarver panicked about the cost and dumped Kurt Thomas (edit: and James Jones, how could I forget!) and all of the draft picks. This proved that they extended Diaw without having a clear plan for why they were doing it. After Thomas was sold, the Suns no longer had a championship-caliber roster. The right thing to do would have been to let Marion expire and start getting costs under control this summer.

But, Sarver and Kerr were unwilling to let the dream die, so they decided to spend money again, this time with the O'Neal trade. Again, I supported the trade as a gamble worth taking, based on the assumption that it showed ownership was loosening the purse strings again. (I also pointed to 2009-10 as the year that was going to be monstrously ugly.) But, again, the willingness to spend was only temporary. Now that O'Neal has failed on his promise to deliver a title, the roster is looking ridiculously overpaid. Rather than say, "I knew the risk was going to be expensive, but I took it on with open eyes," Sarver is now panicking again.

He's just like the so-called "average American" who decides to max out his credit cards to make his home life more fulfilling, then blanches when he gets the bill a month later. Being willing to spend money is meaningful only if you're prepared to absorb the full cost without crying about it. This is the key ingredient that Sarver seems to be lacking.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

That's true. The problem has been spending money without looking into the future. I supported the Diaw extension, because it looked like a fair price for a valuable player. But even at the time, I said that it must mean that another big salary would be gone, or that the team would be paying massive luxury tax.

The 2007-08 team could have been the best in the league, but Sarver panicked about the cost and dumped Kurt Thomas and all of the draft picks. This proved that they extended Diaw without having a clear plan for why they were doing it. After Thomas was sold, the Suns no longer had a championship-caliber roster. The right thing to do would have been to let Marion expire and start getting costs under control this summer.

But, Sarver and Kerr were unwilling to let the dream die, so they decided to spend money again, this time with the O'Neal trade. Again, I supported the trade as a gamble worth taking, based on the assumption that it showed ownership was loosening the purse strings again. (I also pointed to 2009-10 as the year that was going to be monstrously ugly.) But, again, the willingness to spend was only temporary. Now that O'Neal has failed on his promise to deliver a title, the roster is looking ridiculously overpaid. Rather than say, "I knew the risk was going to be expensive, but I took it on with open eyes," Sarver is now panicking again.

He's just like the so-called "average American" who decides to max out his credit cards to make his home life more fulfilling, then blanches when he gets the bill a month later. Being willing to spend money is meaningful only if you're prepared to absorb the full cost without crying about it. This is the key ingredient that Sarver seems to be lacking.

Good stuff and your best post in awhile.

 

[JCSunsfan]

That's true. The problem has been spending money without looking into the future. I supported the Diaw extension, because it looked like a fair price for a valuable player. But even at the time, I said that it must mean that another big salary would be gone, or that the team would be paying massive luxury tax.

The 2007-08 team could have been the best in the league, but Sarver panicked about the cost and dumped Kurt Thomas and all of the draft picks. This proved that they extended Diaw without having a clear plan for why they were doing it. After Thomas was sold, the Suns no longer had a championship-caliber roster. The right thing to do would have been to let Marion expire and start getting costs under control this summer.

But, Sarver and Kerr were unwilling to let the dream die, so they decided to spend money again, this time with the O'Neal trade. Again, I supported the trade as a gamble worth taking, based on the assumption that it showed ownership was loosening the purse strings again. (I also pointed to 2009-10 as the year that was going to be monstrously ugly.) But, again, the willingness to spend was only temporary. Now that O'Neal has failed on his promise to deliver a title, the roster is looking ridiculously overpaid. Rather than say, "I knew the risk was going to be expensive, but I took it on with open eyes," Sarver is now panicking again.

He's just like the so-called "average American" who decides to max out his credit cards to make his home life more fulfilling, then blanches when he gets the bill a month later. Being willing to spend money is meaningful only if you're prepared to absorb the full cost without crying about it. This is the key ingredient that Sarver seems to be lacking.

The KT trade I believe trumps the Rick Robey trade for the worst in Suns history. Adding lottery protection would not likely have made much of a difference at the moment. But what a difference it would make now. In the end, it cost him more than he saved.

"Spend and panic" is not a good model for success or fiscal responsibility.

 

[sunsfn]

I know that this is going to most likely change. BUT, the Suns currently have the highest payroll in the entire league. To say that Sarver does not want to spend money is just ********.

He had to be willing to spend money to get to this point.

Is Sarver not the smartest of owners? Probably. But cheap? No.

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Team Payrolls[/FONT]​

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]I am not sure where you guys get your info, but as long as there is a team in New York no other team will have the highest payroll.[/FONT]
The suns are sixth.

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]1. New York Knicks[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$94,842,168[/FONT]​

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]2. Dallas Mavericks[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$92,758,122[/FONT]​

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]3. Cleveland Cavaliers[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$91,650,943[/FONT]​

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]4. Boston Celtics[/FONT]​

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$80,659,701[/FONT]​

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]5. Portland Trail Blazers[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$80,600,059[/FONT]​

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]6. Phoenix Suns[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$75,626,030[/FONT]​

 

[devilalum]

Sarver : Nba 2009 :: Bidwill : NFL 1990

 

[SunsTzu]

Adding lottery protection would not likely have made much of a difference at the moment.

I disagree with that. I believe even as incompotent as Steve Kerr has been he still would have tried to get protection on that pick. Sonics were the only team able to take on KT's salary without sending salary back. Sam Presti is no fool, he knew he had the Suns over the barrel and about their likely descent into the lottery.

 

[JS22]

That's true. The problem has been spending money without looking into the future. I supported the Diaw extension, because it looked like a fair price for a valuable player. But even at the time, I said that it must mean that another big salary would be gone, or that the team would be paying massive luxury tax.

The 2007-08 team could have been the best in the league, but Sarver panicked about the cost and dumped Kurt Thomas (edit: and James Jones, how could I forget!) and all of the draft picks. This proved that they extended Diaw without having a clear plan for why they were doing it. After Thomas was sold, the Suns no longer had a championship-caliber roster. The right thing to do would have been to let Marion expire and start getting costs under control this summer.

But, Sarver and Kerr were unwilling to let the dream die, so they decided to spend money again, this time with the O'Neal trade. Again, I supported the trade as a gamble worth taking, based on the assumption that it showed ownership was loosening the purse strings again. (I also pointed to 2009-10 as the year that was going to be monstrously ugly.) But, again, the willingness to spend was only temporary. Now that O'Neal has failed on his promise to deliver a title, the roster is looking ridiculously overpaid. Rather than say, "I knew the risk was going to be expensive, but I took it on with open eyes," Sarver is now panicking again.

He's just like the so-called "average American" who decides to max out his credit cards to make his home life more fulfilling, then blanches when he gets the bill a month later. Being willing to spend money is meaningful only if you're prepared to absorb the full cost without crying about it. This is the key ingredient that Sarver seems to be lacking.

This pretty much sums it up.

 

[JS22]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Team Payrolls[/FONT]​

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]I am not sure where you guys get your info, but as long as there is a team in New York no other team will have the highest payroll.[/FONT]
The suns are sixth.

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]1. New York Knicks[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$94,842,168[/FONT]​

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]2. Dallas Mavericks[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$92,758,122[/FONT]​

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]3. Cleveland Cavaliers[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$91,650,943[/FONT]​

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]4. Boston Celtics[/FONT]​

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$80,659,701[/FONT]​

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]5. Portland Trail Blazers[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$80,600,059[/FONT]​

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]6. Phoenix Suns[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$75,626,030[/FONT]​

I recall him mentioning that the Suns currently have the highest payroll in the league. Not quite sure where he's coming from. Maybe there's a variable that we're not aware of?

Either way, the Suns have spent money to get to this point. Just not very wisely.

 

[elindholm]

Sunsfn's numbers are from last season. As of this instant, the Suns have the highest payroll for 2009-10. However, that will change as some teams re-sign their free agents.

 

[pokerface]

Well why should Sarver want to spend a bunch more money to have the team miss the playoffs (again).


Personally I hope Nash leaves so we can start the rebuild process.

 

[Gaddabout]

I think Eric has the best handle on it. Sarver had no clue what he was getting into, and he put too much value on his "contacts" in the NBA, namely Kerr, who looked real smart when he wasn't the one making real decisions.

I don't get why they thought that roster made sense without D'Antoni -- particularly Nash. If they were drop-dead serious about their vision, they would've had the guts to trade Nash as they showed D'Antoni the door.

But they don't have a vision and they've created a lot of distrust within their own organization. It's just a recipe for disaster.

 

[Black Jesus]

I love Bill Simmons

His mailbag Q&As are stupendous

Agreed. He is best for NBA and NFL, mailbags are second to none. Dude must watch a lot of TV to keep up with sports, music, and sitcoms and be able to write about each well ha.

I just started listening to his podcasts and they are real good too. Im going to start putting them on my ipod before work. when i listen to them on the computer i get distracted by this site and otehrs and stop listening