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The question is...what's the better first day of the draft:

WR Johnson

DE Pace

WR Bouldin

LB Hayes

OR

DE Suggs

WR Johnson

LB Hayes

We will not know the answer for a few years...which may be even harder to determine due to the fact that Terrell Suggs will be employed by the Ravens as a 3-4 Sam LB, not a 4-3 DE...so we will only be able to speculate how well Suggs would have assimilated into his role as a 4-3 DE.

Successful drafts so often depend on how well a team develops and grooms its draft picks. Virtually all players drafted early in the draft have talent...the question is, can the teams develop that talent. Some players adapt more quickly than others. Some players need to be brought along slowly. In either the case, the Cardinals have to find a way (in the process of getting the players fundamentally sound) to instill confidence in these players. Patience is often required...and, at this point, should be expected.

Here's the timeline I would project for this year's draft picks:

WR Bryant Johnson. He's a player that may need a year or two learning the system to begin to thrive. He had a bad case of the drops at Penn State early in his college career, and then developed into a premier player. Johnson has the tools. You's wish that the #17 pick in the draft could be an immediate starter. And Johnson may be, but with him it may take him a while to get comfortable. Rushing him along may be a mistake.

DE Calvin Pace. Pace will essentially be learning a new position. At Wake Forest he played over the tackle as a 3-4 DE. With the Cardinals he'll be playing more on the edge as a 4-3 DE. The question is, can Pace learn quickly and well? I believe the Cardinals, as shocking as this pick was to some, did their homework on Pace. He's bright and extremely coachable. While Pace may not be a blazer on the edge, he has the physical tools to be an every down DE in this league. I believe Pace will make an immediate impact and will start. He may struggle initially in providing consistent heat on the quarterback, but he will hold up very well against the run.

WR Anquan Boldin. Will most likely make the biggest splash in his inaugural season because of his physical and mental toughness. Sullivan will become so enamored with Boldin that it wouldn't be surprising to see Boldin become the starting flanker. The Cardinals may have reached a little for Johnson and Pace, but they got a flat-out steal in Boldin at #54. Boldin is the antithesis of David Boston. He may not possess Boston's stellar size and speed, but in terms of grit and sheer competitiveness, Boldin wins by a landslide.

LB Gerald Hayes. Hayes has the luxury of being able to work his way into the lineup at his own pace. However, just as the offensive coaches will become instantly enamored with Anquan Boldin, the defensive coaches will feel the same excitement for Hayes. This guy is a playmaker who shows up in big games. His path to success will be similar to Ronald McKinnon's. Look for Hayes to make his splash on the outside first. In a couple of years he might switch back to the middle. By mid-season don't be surprised to see Hayes getting a fair share of snaps at strong side LB.

DE Kenny King. The Cardinals are going to have to make a tough decision on King. Fred Wakefield most likely is a better player right now, but King, in a couple of years, could be a much better player than Wakefield. King is the athlete that Wakefield isn't. The Cardinals like King's versatility and project him as a rush DT in nickle situations, while he learns the DE position. As much as the Cardinals like Wakefield's professional approach to the game, look for the Cardinals to hold on to King instead, by virtue of King's upside.

T Reggie Wells. This pick showed the thoroughness of the scouting department. Wells will have to make a quantam leap from little Clarion University to the NFL, but this guy has the complete package to do so. He has the luxury of learning his craft from the veterans. In the meantime, he will be able to contribute on special teams. Wells also provides some insurance if L.J. Shelton explores the free agent market next year. Wells' acquisition was an outstanding move by the Cardinals...who are suddenly becoming an offensive line factory.

LB Tony Gilbert. A 6th round steal. Gilbert has a nose for the ball and is a first rate competitor. Should be an immediate contributor on special teams and a stalwart on the goal-line defense. The more Gilbert develops, the easier it will be to keep Gerald Hayes on the outside.

WR Larry Foster. Valuable in many ways. Provides good veteran depth at WR and excellent special teams contributions as a gunner and punt blocker. Every team needs Larry Foster types to win in the NFL.

Emerging players:

DT Wendall Bryant. Is doing everything right to prepare himself for a breakout season.

DT Marcus Bell. If he develops his stamina, this guy will turn heads this year.

DE Alton Moore. Keep a close on him. The Cardinals want to throw five DE types at the QB in certain situations and Moore has the burst and wingspan to make a splash.

DE Dennis Johnson. The second time around is a charm and Johnson will make a concerted run at the starting LDE position.

LB James Darling. He's a lot better than any of us think and he's hungry. He got lost in the shuffle behind Marvin Jones and company with the Jets. He will make a serious push to start at strong side LB.

LB Raynoch Thompson. Will fly off the edge from the weak side and will get his fair share of pressures and sacks in addition to making stunning open field stops. Is on the verge of stardom.

CB Coby Rhinehart. Don't underestimate this guy. He continues to get stronger and more focused. He may be one of the biggest surprises this year. The guy covers like glue more often than not on the perimeter and he's a good open field tackler.

S Dexter Jackson. Will become the leader of the defense and is the most rangy ballhawk the Cardinals have had in a long, long time.

S Adrian Wilson. Jackson's presence and leadership will help Wilson emerge as a big play strong safety. Will also get to the quarterback with regularity on safety blitzes.

* Cameron Spikes. Came in quietly without much fanfare, but his impact as a mauling smashmouth guard may facilitate switching Pete Kendall from LG to center.

TE Steve Bush. One of the most dedicated players on the team. Versatile as an H-back and quite under-rated as a receiver.

RB Josh Scobey. Will grab a hold of Emmitt's shirt tail and won't let go. Will run like a demon in the pre-season and be a solid contributor on special teams.

June 1st aquisitions:

Priority: A starting lead receiver, another pass rusher and a cover corner to challenge Rhinehart, Hill and Stone. And possibly another DT to challenge Tanner, Davis, Bell and Dwyer. The smart thing would be to add another veteran QB, but the Cardinals say they will go with McCown and Parsons as the backups for now.

Excitement: Man, I haven't been this excited about the Cardinals' chances in a long. long time. If the Cardinals can add a starting WR like Muhsin Muhammed, another pass rusher, a cover corner for depth and a veteran backup QB this June, there's no telling how far this team can go. Coach Mac needs to polish up his game management skills, Jerry Sullivan needs to get comfortable calling plays and Larry Marmie needs to upgrade the defensive philosophy to get these players off their heels...because with the talent base that's emerging here, this team could be something. special to watch.
 

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I like your thoughts. Alot will have to evolve for it all to come true, but, I agree that there is alot to be happy with. The real trick will be for the Cardinals to get "lucky" with who is available on June 1st or cut due to some rookies potential. Hopefully, those available will be at need positions. The Cards need to be aggressive and cautious at the same time. A stud WR like Muhammed would complete the WR corps and I believe a Vet QB has to picked up as you stated. Parsons should have been sent to NFL Europe and could be squeeked by to get on the practice squad. I stud DL would be really nice and someone to challenge for the #2 CB. Basically need to upgrade 4 areas. We should be decent but think next year could be our REAL move. Walt like the others I do like your candid evualuations. Thanks.
 

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Excellent post Walter. The perfect "read" for Saturday morning's coffee.Ironic isn't it.....from no DE's to perhaps "difficult" cut decisions going forward.......VandenBusch; Johnson; Pace; Wakefield; King; Moore. I agree.....King and Moore may surprise us.

I share your excitement.
 

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Last year coach Mac said he was happy about the fact that when it came time to do the cuts in the pre-season for the first time in a long time it came down to player ability instead of pay.

This year looks like they will be in the same boat. From what your post, Walter, it sounds like they have a lot more depth of ability to pick and chose from. The guys who become the starters on the team this year (at most positions) will have beaten out a higher level of competition than in previous years.
 

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Solid take on our line up. With our new QB these players will learn quickly on offense as he is a student of the game. Our linebackers have MAC in the middle and Starks should be a great teacher on the corner. Any O-line new bees will get a treat from our current crop of solid players Big, LJ, Kendale.

Along with an up and coming line up with our vets these kids have a good chance. I'm excited about this team and the future possabilities. I can't wait for open season on June 1st to see the rest of the story!

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Originally posted by Walter Mitchell
The question is...what's the better first day of the draft:

WR Johnson

DE Pace

WR Bouldin

LB Hayes

OR

DE Suggs

WR Johnson

LB Hayes

We will not know the answer for a few years...which may be even harder to determine due to the fact that Terrell Suggs will be employed by the Ravens as a 3-4 Sam LB, not a 4-3 DE...so we will only be able to speculate how well Suggs would have assimilated into his role as a 4-3 DE.

Successful drafts so often depend on how well a team develops and grooms its draft picks. Virtually all players drafted early in the draft have talent...the question is, can the teams develop that talent. Some players adapt more quickly than others. Some players need to be brought along slowly. In either the case, the Cardinals have to find a way (in the process of getting the players fundamentally sound) to instill confidence in these players. Patience is often required...and, at this point, should be expected.

Here's the timeline I would project for this year's draft picks:

WR Bryant Johnson. He's a player that may need a year or two learning the system to begin to thrive. He had a bad case of the drops at Penn State early in his college career, and then developed into a premier player. Johnson has the tools. You's wish that the #17 pick in the draft could be an immediate starter. And Johnson may be, but with him it may take him a while to get comfortable. Rushing him along may be a mistake.

DE Calvin Pace. Pace will essentially be learning a new position. At Wake Forest he played over the tackle as a 3-4 DE. With the Cardinals he'll be playing more on the edge as a 4-3 DE. The question is, can Pace learn quickly and well? I believe the Cardinals, as shocking as this pick was to some, did their homework on Pace. He's bright and extremely coachable. While Pace may not be a blazer on the edge, he has the physical tools to be an every down DE in this league. I believe Pace will make an immediate impact and will start. He may struggle initially in providing consistent heat on the quarterback, but he will hold up very well against the run.

WR Anquan Boldin. Will most likely make the biggest splash in his inaugural season because of his physical and mental toughness. Sullivan will become so enamored with Boldin that it wouldn't be surprising to see Boldin become the starting flanker. The Cardinals may have reached a little for Johnson and Pace, but they got a flat-out steal in Boldin at #54. Boldin is the antithesis of David Boston. He may not possess Boston's stellar size and speed, but in terms of grit and sheer competitiveness, Boldin wins by a landslide.

LB Gerald Hayes. Hayes has the luxury of being able to work his way into the lineup at his own pace. However, just as the offensive coaches will become instantly enamored with Anquan Boldin, the defensive coaches will feel the same excitement for Hayes. This guy is a playmaker who shows up in big games. His path to success will be similar to Ronald McKinnon's. Look for Hayes to make his splash on the outside first. In a couple of years he might switch back to the middle. By mid-season don't be surprised to see Hayes getting a fair share of snaps at strong side LB.

DE Kenny King. The Cardinals are going to have to make a tough decision on King. Fred Wakefield most likely is a better player right now, but King, in a couple of years, could be a much better player than Wakefield. King is the athlete that Wakefield isn't. The Cardinals like King's versatility and project him as a rush DT in nickle situations, while he learns the DE position. As much as the Cardinals like Wakefield's professional approach to the game, look for the Cardinals to hold on to King instead, by virtue of King's upside.

T Reggie Wells. This pick showed the thoroughness of the scouting department. Wells will have to make a quantam leap from little Clarion University to the NFL, but this guy has the complete package to do so. He has the luxury of learning his craft from the veterans. In the meantime, he will be able to contribute on special teams. Wells also provides some insurance if L.J. Shelton explores the free agent market next year. Wells' acquisition was an outstanding move by the Cardinals...who are suddenly becoming an offensive line factory.

LB Tony Gilbert. A 6th round steal. Gilbert has a nose for the ball and is a first rate competitor. Should be an immediate contributor on special teams and a stalwart on the goal-line defense. The more Gilbert develops, the easier it will be to keep Gerald Hayes on the outside.

WR Larry Foster. Valuable in many ways. Provides good veteran depth at WR and excellent special teams contributions as a gunner and punt blocker. Every team needs Larry Foster types to win in the NFL.

Emerging players:

DT Wendall Bryant. Is doing everything right to prepare himself for a breakout season.

DT Marcus Bell. If he develops his stamina, this guy will turn heads this year.

DE Alton Moore. Keep a close on him. The Cardinals want to throw five DE types at the QB in certain situations and Moore has the burst and wingspan to make a splash.

DE Dennis Johnson. The second time around is a charm and Johnson will make a concerted run at the starting LDE position.

LB James Darling. He's a lot better than any of us think and he's hungry. He got lost in the shuffle behind Marvin Jones and company with the Jets. He will make a serious push to start at strong side LB.

LB Raynoch Thompson. Will fly off the edge from the weak side and will get his fair share of pressures and sacks in addition to making stunning open field stops. Is on the verge of stardom.

CB Coby Rhinehart. Don't underestimate this guy. He continues to get stronger and more focused. He may be one of the biggest surprises this year. The guy covers like glue more often than not on the perimeter and he's a good open field tackler.

S Dexter Jackson. Will become the leader of the defense and is the most rangy ballhawk the Cardinals have had in a long, long time.

S Adrian Wilson. Jackson's presence and leadership will help Wilson emerge as a big play strong safety. Will also get to the quarterback with regularity on safety blitzes.

* Cameron Spikes. Came in quietly without much fanfare, but his impact as a mauling smashmouth guard may facilitate switching Pete Kendall from LG to center.

TE Steve Bush. One of the most dedicated players on the team. Versatile as an H-back and quite under-rated as a receiver.

RB Josh Scobey. Will grab a hold of Emmitt's shirt tail and won't let go. Will run like a demon in the pre-season and be a solid contributor on special teams.

June 1st aquisitions:

Priority: A starting lead receiver, another pass rusher and a cover corner to challenge Rhinehart, Hill and Stone. And possibly another DT to challenge Tanner, Davis, Bell and Dwyer. The smart thing would be to add another veteran QB, but the Cardinals say they will go with McCown and Parsons as the backups for now.

Excitement: Man, I haven't been this excited about the Cardinals' chances in a long. long time. If the Cardinals can add a starting WR like Muhsin Muhammed, another pass rusher, a cover corner for depth and a veteran backup QB this June, there's no telling how far this team can go. Coach Mac needs to polish up his game management skills, Jerry Sullivan needs to get comfortable calling plays and Larry Marmie needs to upgrade the defensive philosophy to get these players off their heels...because with the talent base that's emerging here, this team could be something. special to watch.
wow, simply an awsome read! perfect saterday morning read thx! :thumbup:
 

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Thanks for the article Walter. I can't wait for camp! :thumbup:
 

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Walter you have a great grasp of the Cards situation and your knowledge is indisputable. I have a good feeling about how this organization is changing and some of the off-season moves they have made. You have reaffirmed what I feel. Thank you kind sir.
 

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I am VERY big on Haynes... This guy was a 20-30th pick after the season and slid in the days coming up to the draft, as most MLB do. This kid works HARD at football. I heard one story about his Sophmore year when the coaches caught him in the film room on a friday night after their season was over at 9:30, studying film. Most kids are out playing video games or drinking beer... He spent his Friday night preparing. I think he'll be a good player.

I wish I shared your enthusiasm about Rhinehardt and Bell... He has preseason flashes and slips away when it counts. Preseason teases start to wear on me. Gotta do it during the season. Four keys to me.

1. Create a pass rush.... lots of hope and we just need one or two to pan out!!!

2. Depth at CB.... Gotta play the nickel well these days

3. Tanner, Davis, Bell improving.

4. One of the WR stepping up.

I can't remember the last ime we had so many options going into a season. We have a bunch of positions where we need just one of the three or four players available to improve. I like those odds a lot.
 

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Originally posted by CardinalChris
I am VERY big on Haynes... This guy was a 20-30th pick after the season and slid in the days coming up to the draft, as most MLB do. This kid works HARD at football. I heard one story about his Sophmore year when the coaches caught him in the film room on a friday night after their season was over at 9:30, studying film. Most kids are out playing video games or drinking beer... He spent his Friday night preparing. I think he'll be a good player.

I wish I shared your enthusiasm about Rhinehardt and Bell... He has preseason flashes and slips away when it counts. Preseason teases start to wear on me. Gotta do it during the season. Four keys to me.

1. Create a pass rush.... lots of hope and we just need one or two to pan out!!!

2. Depth at CB.... Gotta play the nickel well these days

3. Tanner, Davis, Bell improving.

4. One of the WR stepping up.

I can't remember the last ime we had so many options going into a season. We have a bunch of positions where we need just one of the three or four players available to improve. I like those odds a lot.

Bryant and good d-line depth should take care of one of our old bugaboos....stopping the run.

Emmitt and Shipp and great o-line depth should take care of another....being able to run the ball.

I'm still concerned about the pass rush....if we have none it doesn't matter who we have at CB...they'll all be toast....or is that alba toast....nevermind.

Also Blake should be an upgrade.....if guys can catch the ball....hopefully one of the rooks and one of the veterans (do we have any?) can step up.

I have doubts that we'll sign anyone even after June 1....but I'd like to see Blake reunited with one of his old Bengal buddies.....Darnay Scott. I'm not sure how much Darnay has left....but in their prime no one could stretch a defense any better than Blake and Scott.
 
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Great read. It does feel like the Cards have turned a small corner as far as the front office. If we get the a quality Wr off waivers, along with a veteran DT who can still give up 1-2 years of hell in the middle, this year should be good. Everyone needs to think positve and keep the injury bug out of Arizona.
 

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Although I enjoy his posts, Walter is long winded. A team, under any HC, builds itself with the success of its blue chip draft picks (1-3). These are the guys who are targeted as quality NFL starters eventually in their careers. Coach Mac has had 3 yrs of blue chip draft picks. I don't count on rookies that much. The 2001 class of Big, KVB, M Stone has produced something. The 2002 class of Bryant, Fisher, D Johnson, and McCown have yet to do anything. These are the ones who have to step up for the Cardinbals to be successful in 2003.
And, I would love to see an All-Rookie.
 
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Thanks for your responses: Dmoney, Spanky, Jmr, Seesred, BEERZ, AzCards21, 40yearfan, CardChris, Chainthroer, BuckeyeCard, Football24/7, Artp.

I like Levar Fisher a lot. He's a speedy and tough player who can cover the flats. If he's healthy, we'll see plenty of him this year.

The two unsung heroes this year will be Marcel Shipp on offense and Kyle Vanden Bosch on defense. They will accept their roles and perform them to the absolute best of their ability.
 

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Thanks Walt - Those were my same thoughts about Levar. Hope he says healthy. If so, we should really be set al LB this year.
 

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I like all the rah rah and stuff, but one of the main questions I still have is what are the Cards going to do about center for the OL.

Will moving Kendal to center work? Isn't he a little big to use his leverage properly for a center? If the Cards Starkey, I would worry. Garcia? Don't know much about him.

So, for the June 1st cuts I want a reasonable vet Center.
 

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I still have is what are the Cards going to do about center for the OL.
According to last night's FoxSportsNet - who interviewed Starkey, Garcia and Mac - it will be Garcia and Starkey pushing one another, with Kendall a possibility to switch over in case of injury.

Noticeable by their absence in the discussion were Grace, Wragge and Dish.
 

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while i think mr. mitchell's takes on each of the players seems pretty good (and i enjoyed the input), when taken as a whole they his descriptions seem to describe the steel curtain and the niner's offense of the 80s. we have to remain realistic people, this team was not good last year and probably still won't be good this year. given another year, and some key development of players with an outstanding 2004 draft and a few key FAs pickups next year and we could be talking about something. this team has 5-11 written all over it. upside is 7-9 at best.
 
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