Saving the money for 2005

[slinslin]

Won't work anymore.

Joe Johnson will sign an extension this offseason that will count against the cap in 2005. So even with Jahidi White also gone that season we would have considerably less cap space with the additional first round picks, Joe Johnson.

It would be smarter to use the cap space this offseason and sign someone with the MLE next season rather than doing nothing and being like 4M$ under the cap in 2005.

 

[George O'Brien]

Originally posted by slinslin
Won't work anymore.

Joe Johnson will sign an extension this offseason that will count against the cap in 2005. So even with Jahidi White also gone that season we would have considerably less cap space with the additional first round picks, Joe Johnson.

It would be smarter to use the cap space this offseason and sign someone with the MLE next season rather than doing nothing and being like 4M$ under the cap in 2005.

The Suns COULD clear cap space in 2005 to make a run at Kobe or the like, but it would be difficult. My preference is to have just enough space below cap to get the cream of the mid level players, since most teams would be able to offer mid cap at most.

 

[scotsman13]

i am sorry i dont remember hearing that jj signed an extension this offseason. i do remember the suns exersizing the option for the 4th year of his contract which would be for next year.

 

[slinslin]

They will definately sign JJ to an extension this offseason. That's 100% sure I think.

 

[SunsTzu]

If the Suns do sign him it probably won't be for too much. If he wants a max like deal the Suns could wait till the following year and weigh their options since he'll only be a RFA. When does the current CBA expire anyway I thought it was realtivly soon.

 

[slinslin]

It will definately be more than the MLE. Probably starting at 6-7M$

 

[SweetD]

Originally posted by slinslin
They will definately sign JJ to an extension this offseason. That's 100% sure I think.

No the Suns will exercise the option for the forth year and maybe in the year following resign him. There is no way JC sould pass on saving 3-6million. They will do the same thing they did with Marion and lock him up after the optional year.

 

[slinslin]

SweetD

The extensions are negotiated before the optional year on the rookie contract runs out.

Same they did with Marion.

JJ will get an extension THIS summer and it will kick in in 2005.

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

I honestly don't think JJ will get 6-7 million. I no way should he get more than Magette did (5.5 mil his first year).

Yes he is playing out of his mind right now, but he will have to do so for an entire season to shed the inconsistant label. People know I am one of JJs biggest supporters, but putting him at the 6-7 million range just doesn't make much sense.

Anyways, if the suns extend JJ for 5.5 million (instead of waiting to see how he could do as an RFA, which could work both ways for the suns), Jahadi's contract will be expiring at about 6 million.

So the two cancel each others out. Now account for draft picks, and salary raises, and the suns are just a little worse off.

Assuming that either Jacobson, (or Eisley and picks) are moved to the Bobcats, the situation could be the same.

 

[SunsTzu]

Originally posted by SunsTzu
When does the current CBA expire anyway I thought it was realtivly soon.

Well if anyone else was curious:

The current CBA has been in effect since January 1999, and was arrived at after a long and bitter "lockout" which cost half of the 1998-99 season. It lasts for seven years, or until the end of the 04-05 season. It was the league's option to continue the agreement for the 04-05 season, and this option was exercised in December 2003. Sometime prior to the 05-06 season the league and players union will negotiate either a new agreement or an extension to the current agreement. If they're lucky, it won't cost them part of a season again.

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#5

I'm not sure the Suns would want to offer large multi year deals this off season(with the execption of possibly Kobe) without knowing how the new CBA would impact them.

Also I agree that if JJ is looking for a deal more than 6 mil per I'd just wait till the following year when he's a RFA.

 

[slinslin]

Yeah and if he keeps it up they will have to give him a max deal, that would be smart.

Plus pissing him off also.

Also I think there were reports that they want to extend the current cba anyway.

 

[SunsTzu]

Originally posted by slinslin
Yeah and if he keeps it up they will have to give him a max deal, that would be smart.

Plus pissing him off also.

Also I think there were reports that they want to extend the current cba anyway.

How do you know what would piss him off? If it puts us in a better position to get better players around him why would he be mad?

Of course the NBA wants to extend the current CBA. Problem is the Players Assoc. hates the current CBA and wants it changed.

 

[slinslin]

Because he could have a career ending injury? You sign an extension when you are offered one.

 

[SunsTzu]

I think the Suns will offer an extention, but not for more than 6mil per. If he wants more he'll have to risk playing thats his choice, but the Suns need to worry about putting a contender on the floor. Next year should feature better FA and if JJ wants a bigger contract I'm sure they'll explain they'd like to sign some before re-uping him.

 

[slinslin]

Who will be FA in 2005 that makes it so much better?

A lot of restricted FAs at best from JJ's draft class. Ray Allen who has chronic ankle problems and TMac who has chronic back problems and a beef with Amare.

 

[SunsTzu]

Your bringing up Ray Allen's and T-Mac's injury problems while trying to make a case for signing Camby?

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

Slin, just because there is no one better (by your thinking) doens't mean you overpay a player. The suns already offered a max deal toa player on the basis that theyw ill continue to prove.

With the financial responsibility of the NBA now days, you offer contracts based on what the player can do for you now. JJ has not proved he is worth a long term, 5.5 million dollar contract yet. Offering that to him is a sign of good faith. I am not down on JJ, I am just a realist.


There were talks about an extension to the CBA but not without amendmants. The two biggest being:

1.) Complete removal of the luxary tax, no matter what.

2.) Shortening guaranteed contracts. 4 years for a player not on your team, 6 years for resigning your own player.

From what I have read, rookie extensions most likely won't be changed.

 

[George O'Brien]

Originally posted by thegrahamcrackr
Slin, just because there is no one better (by your thinking) doens't mean you overpay a player. The suns already offered a max deal toa player on the basis that theyw ill continue to prove.

With the financial responsibility of the NBA now days, you offer contracts based on what the player can do for you now. JJ has not proved he is worth a long term, 5.5 million dollar contract yet. Offering that to him is a sign of good faith. I am not down on JJ, I am just a realist.


There were talks about an extension to the CBA but not without amendmants. The two biggest being:

1.) Complete removal of the luxary tax, no matter what.

2.) Shortening guaranteed contracts. 4 years for a player not on your team, 6 years for resigning your own player.

From what I have read, rookie extensions most likely won't be changed.

I would be surprised if the luxury tax is completely eliminated, but I think it will be softened. This might include raising the threshhold a lot, getting injury exemptions, and things like that.

I would also expect that the right to re-sign players would be liberalized so that problems like what GS had last year in not being able to re-sign Arenas would be eliminated.

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

Actually, my understanding is the tax will be gone no matter what. Both sides (owners and players) want nothing of it, so there won't be an arguement.

However, the talk earlier this season was that in exchange for killing the luxary tax, David Stern could get the Players Assoc to agree to shorter guaranteed contracts. However, since the tax is not even certainly going into effect this year, or next year for that matter, no one knows if Stern will be able to pull the trade off. Either way though, it is as good as gone.


I think you are right about the 2nd round draft pick problem. I am sure they will try and figure something out. One thing I never understood was why teams dont put a team option on the third year of the contracts. I mean, wouldn't that give a team bird rights, and not force them to guarantee 3 years to a player??