SD to sign McCoy Before End Of Day

[Chopper0080]

anyone who downs th e ball with 30 seconds left in OT and peyton manning behind center is someone I do not want running this team.

I thought Peyton Manning ran that offense?

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

anyone who downs th e ball with 30 seconds left in OT and peyton manning behind center is someone I do not want running this team.

Did the Cards interview John Fox ?

 

[SoCal Cardfan]

anyone who downs th e ball with 30 seconds left in OT and peyton manning behind center is someone I do not want running this team.

That was all Fox

 

[Totally_Red]

anyone who downs th e ball with 30 seconds left in OT and peyton manning behind center is someone I do not want running this team.

Not sure John Fox is available anyway.

 

[Dr. Jones]

I for one am glad McCoy is off the list. Let's promote the guy who WANTS the job.

 

[Chopper0080]

I for one am glad McCoy is off the list. Let's promote the guy who WANTS the job.

........so Horton then? Though he just wants ANY opportunity.

 

[clif]

Hortons OC choice is a RB coach from the steelers, what do you think he will do? You guys do realize no one else wanted Horton right? It also seems like he is the cards last option. If the cards dont even like him that much in comparision to other canidates why do you?

Id like you and Gee to explain why you think a Horton hire will improve the offense. The defense would stay the same no matter what since Horton cant leave no matter who we sign.

I never said he would. In fact I don't recall saying anything pro Horton. All I asked was for you to explain your reasoning for calling his potential hire a disaster.

 

[clif]

Horton may be a good DC and he hasn't even done that long enough for that to be etched in stone, but he certainly doesn't have the HC experience to deal with the HC masterminds of our division. He will be outcoached weekly. Putting the main headsets on him will only dillute his defensive coaching skills. I have the HISTORY of this franchise to prove my point. KEEP Horton at DC. Prefer an Offensive minded HC!!

You have the history of the FRANCHISE to prove that Horton will not be a good head coach? By that thinking we will NEVER have a good coach.

 

[Duckjake]

Exactly.



Ken Whisenhunt won just one fewer game against teams with winning records in THIS messed up year than Haley did in his entire tenure as a head coach. Yes, we won 2. Haley won 3 games against winning teams in three years..one of those a 9-7 team.

Gnaw on that for a bit.

Haley is an experiment in futility, with a healthy dose of ***** tossed in.

Yes but Haley beat Whisenhunt 31-13.

And thanks a lot for reminding me that CKW was 5-15 vs teams with winning records the last 3 seasons. Of course that's not as bad as the Cards losing to teams that finished 2-14 (Carolina 2010) and 3-13. (Minnesota 2011)

 

[JeffGollin]

Noon -Tues. ET - NFL Net is calling it: McCoy to SD.

 

[Chopper0080]

You have the history of the FRANCHISE to prove that Horton will not be a good head coach? By that thinking we will NEVER have a good coach.

Hiring the coordinator of the team that was so bad you just fired your head coach and GM is not a great start or confidence builder.

 

[JeffGollin]

Hiring the coordinator of the team that was so bad you just fired your head coach and GM is not a great start or confidence builder.

The above case had a hole in it big enough to drive a truck thru. This past season, the Cardinal defense led by Horton was arguably the best in the history of the franchise. (ST's weren't too shabby either). That the offense sucked so badly as to drag the entire team down with it is no reflection on the great job Horton did.

Wiz as HC paid for this. So did Graves as GM and Miller as OC. As they should. Why penalize Horton for what Wiz, Graves, Miller and Grimm did - especially when your focus should be on who, among several options, will best set the future course of your football team.

Horton's only mistake was to be a great coach on an otherwise sucky football team.

 

[kerouac9]

Hiring Horton would be the ultimate mistake. Cant wait til next year when we still have the leagues worst offense and have a coordinator who doesnt have a clue and wants to play smashmouth football in a division that houses a couple of the leagues best front 7's

I'd say that every team in the division has one of the league's best secondaries, as well. The guys in Seattle are beastly, as are the secondaries in San Francisco and (although to a lesser extent) St. Louis.

Let's worry about building an average offense before we start fretting that it's not one of the top units in the league.

 

[HoodieBets]

I'd say that every team in the division has one of the league's best secondaries, as well. The guys in Seattle are beastly, as are the secondaries in San Francisco and (although to a lesser extent) St. Louis.

Let's worry about building an average offense before we start fretting that it's not one of the top units in the league.

My point being in order to win in this division we are going to have to do it through the air as these teams dont give up many rushing yards.

 

[Chopper0080]

The above case had a hole in it big enough to drive a truck thru. This past season, the Cardinal defense led by Horton was arguably the best in the history of the franchise. (ST's weren't too shabby either). That the offense sucked so badly as to drag the entire team down with it is no reflection on the great job Horton did.

Wiz as HC paid for this. So did Graves as GM and Miller as OC. As they should. Why penalize Horton for what Wiz, Graves, Miller and Grimm did - especially when your focus should be on who, among several options, will best set the future course of your football team.

Horton's only mistake was to be a great coach on an otherwise sucky football team.

So if we hire Horton, what will have changed? How will our offense have improved? You have limited your head coaching options because you were afraid to give up something on a team that won 5 games. Regardless of how well our defense did, it still resulted in a 5 win season. How is that something to be afraid of losing if you are serious about being a contender?

Cardinals history shows Horton is a suckers bet as a head coach. I know we ALL hope it will be different, but to ignore that history is to choose to be ignorant.

 

[kerouac9]

My point being in order to win in this division we are going to have to do it through the air as these teams dont give up many rushing yards.

I guess. San Francisco was 4th in rushing defense, Seattle 10th, St. Louis 15th. In YPC, though, St. Louis was 19th and Seattle was all the way at 23rd--both worse than the Cards (the 49ers were 3rd).

OTOH, the entire division was in the top half of the league in passing YPG allowed, with Arizona, Seattle, and San Francisco bunched together 4-5-6. St. Louis was 15th.

The NFC West was also entirely above-average in opposing QB rating. Arizona was first(!), but Seattle was only a half-point behind in third, and San Francisco was top 10. St. Louis remains 14th.

You're better off building a team that can run the ball (the path of least resistance in almost half your games), and then trusting your defense to make some plays.

 

[HoodieBets]

I guess. San Francisco was 4th in rushing defense, Seattle 10th, St. Louis 15th. In YPC, though, St. Louis was 19th and Seattle was all the way at 23rd--both worse than the Cards (the 49ers were 3rd).

OTOH, the entire division was in the top half of the league in passing YPG allowed, with Arizona, Seattle, and San Francisco bunched together 4-5-6. St. Louis was 15th.

The NFC West was also entirely above-average in opposing QB rating. Arizona was first(!), but Seattle was only a half-point behind in third, and San Francisco was top 10. St. Louis remains 14th.

You're better off building a team that can run the ball (the path of least resistance in almost half your games), and then trusting your defense to make some plays.

Point well taken, gonna be hard to run the ball when they stack the box because we dont have a QB who can take advantage of man coverage on fitz.

 

[desertdawg]

Point well taken, gonna be hard to run the ball when they stack the box because we dont have a QB who can take advantage of man coverage on fitz.

Teams quit doing that by the second half of the season. They would literally triple Larry, bring 4 or 5 guys on the blitz (that's all they needed), and let our QBs make mistakes. Once Kolb was gone, teams just chose to take the interceptions.

 

[D-Dogg]

Hiring the coordinator of the team that was so bad you just fired your head coach and GM is not a great start or confidence builder.

Re: your sig - yes but only in the 2nd round.

 

[D-Dogg]

Yes but Haley beat Whisenhunt 31-13.

And thanks a lot for reminding me that CKW was 5-15 vs teams with winning records the last 3 seasons. Of course that's not as bad as the Cards losing to teams that finished 2-14 (Carolina 2010) and 3-13. (Minnesota 2011)

Exactly. We fired Whis for a reason. Why would we hire a guy who couldn't even meet the level of futility that we fired the first guy for?

 

[Buckybird]

So if we hire Horton, what will have changed? How will our offense have improved? You have limited your head coaching options because you were afraid to give up something on a team that won 5 games. Regardless of how well our defense did, it still resulted in a 5 win season. How is that something to be afraid of losing if you are serious about being a contender?

Cardinals history shows Horton is a suckers bet as a head coach. I know we ALL hope it will be different, but to ignore that history is to choose to be ignorant.

Imo the offense will not improve much either if we hire a offensive HC given the talent at QB, RB & the Oline. I still say a great HC isn't going to win without talent & ours is below average almost everywhere on the offensive side!!! That's the reality of it!

 

[SissyBoyFloyd]

Lets face it, there was never much to think about between living at the ocean in San Diego or in the desert in Arizona. Arizona is still just a consolation prize in the minds of perspective head coaches in the NFL. We usually have just two choices: Someone who was other team's second choice or an older coach that has run his welcome out other places. An up and coming younger coach, like Whiz was, who doesn't want to wait any longer for other team's to give him his shot is our only option. With luck we hit a home run and the guy turns out to be a genius, like Bill Walsh or John Gruden.

The Chargers did it right, get the guy you want to your place first and don't let him go till you have him signed. I heard they had the deal written up before he even showed. Cardinals needed to send a plane to pick him up Sunday. They had no shot waiting until after the Chargers got him in San Diego. Have any of you seen San Diego? It is like heaven on earth there. It is a no brainer.

I moved to north S.D. county 2 yrs ago and can't believe I spent half my life in the desert. I live in a beautiful mobile home on top of a hill with view of the ocean out my front window. I bought the place for $65,000, have a pool and jacuzzi a block away with great views, and rent a room out in my home to a retired marine for $600 per month which covers my park rent and utilities each month. I am 10 minutes from several of the nices beaches, horse racing track, and the train which I can hop on and zip to downtown S.D. any day or night I want.

Just saying all that to make you envious. Ha ha. No, just saying any coach's family would much prefer to live here than the hot desert. We had no shot at McCoy once he got here in S.D., not to even mention that they have a legit QB to work with.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

I agree that the QB position won't be easy to fill, but RB and OLine shouldn't be hard to fill in this draft alone. The biggest whole this team has on the OLine is the Guard position and that should be easy to fill anywhere in the first 3 rounds, draft a RB in round 3 or 4 because their will be quality RBs available in those rounds. Draft a QB somewhere in the first 3 rounds and do everything possible to make sure you develop him properly. Maybe that QB pans out and maybe he doesn't, but the other issues on this offense won't be hard to address in one off season.

 

[JeffGollin]

So if we hire Horton, what will have changed? How will our offense have improved? You have limited your head coaching options because you were afraid to give up something on a team that won 5 games. Regardless of how well our defense did, it still resulted in a 5 win season. How is that something to be afraid of losing if you are serious about being a contender?

Cardinals history shows Horton is a suckers bet as a head coach. I know we ALL hope it will be different, but to ignore that history is to choose to be ignorant.

Good question. Answer: We nail down our strength (defense) so we can focus on rebuilding our offense. You do this by having Horton pick a DC in his own image who'll continue to implement the system Horton installed.

We then hire a strong OC to come in and totally revamp the offense. Ideal candidate would either be (1) someone "who's been there" and has the track record to prove it - probably a former OC who was hired & fired as a HC or (2) a creative young OC from a an offensive powerhouse college program who's ready to make the jump to the pros.

I don't think you can draw upon Cardinal history in your analysis because guys like Bugel, Coach Mac, Hanifan or Kuhlmann (as I see them) didn't have Horton's energy, teaching skills or dynamism.

 

[kerouac9]

Good question. Answer: We nail down our strength (defense) so we can focus on rebuilding our offense. You do this by having Horton pick a DC in his own image who'll continue to implement the system Horton installed.

We then hire a strong OC to come in and totally revamp the offense. Ideal candidate would either be (1) someone "who's been there" and has the track record to prove it - probably a former OC who was hired & fired as a HC or (2) a creative young OC from a an offensive powerhouse college program who's ready to make the jump to the pros.

I don't think you can draw upon Cardinal history in your analysis because guys like Bugel, Coach Mac, Hanifan or Kuhlmann (as I see them) didn't have Horton's energy, teaching skills or dynamism.

This response is pretty silly from both the defensive and offensive perspectives. Why create more uncertainty over your strength (defense) by shuffling the cards when you know what you have works?

On the offensive side, you're more likely to get a good offensive mind if you put him in at head coach. Why? Because teams can't block coordinators from moving up to head coaches. They can block position coaches from moving up into coordinator roles, and the expert ones do all the time.

If the goal is to keep what you have going defensively, and improve on the offense, then it makes no sense to promote Horton, because that leads to possible backsliding defensively without having the pick of the litter of offensive assistant coaches to work with.