Seahawks | Burleson signs offer sheet

[Renz]

Yes it does. Burelson is a better WR than Jurevicious IMO. Its hard to use those stats considering Burleson missed most of the season with an injury.

Burleson played in 12 games and started 9.

 

[Shane]

Burleson played in 12 games and started 9.

Yea and was hurt for a big chunk of the season probbaly played in games he should not have. You want a better barometer on his skill level and talent? Look at the season before IMO. He is much more talented. Its apparent by his contract offer the Hawks would agree.

 

[Stout]

Yes it does. Burelson is a better WR than Jurevicious IMO. Its hard to use those stats considering Burleson missed most of the season with an injury.

That is insanity. Before 2 years ago, Burleson had done NOTHING. After that year, he's done NOTHING. AND, his big year was 68 catches for 1006 yds. Jurevicious HAS done far more, and has done it far more recently. C'mon. Joe J. hasn't put up a 1000 yd receiving season, but look at his continuity. Wow. Look at how money he was last year.

 

[CardinalChris]

That would be because he was a rookie. Then he started and had a very decent season. His third season he was hurt (and hurt the entire year). So you are saying he did "nothing before" in what, his rookie year? No kidding!! Few WRs do!! It usually takes WR 3 years to "get it". This guy is going to be a headache in our division. Then he has a decent year and follows it up with a pretty bad leg injury. It is like saying Randy Moss sucked two years ago when he was running routes on one ankle. NO KIDDING!!! Anybody who brushes this signing off as "overpaying" Burleson must not have watched many games with him. He's a VERY good #2 just starting to come into his own. In fact, he's a "Denny type signing" Young, hungry, talented and nowhere to go but up.

His 2004 stats are a much better indication of his talent than his 2005, and he is only getting better.

 

[Redrage]

That is insanity. Before 2 years ago, Burleson had done NOTHING. After that year, he's done NOTHING. AND, his big year was 68 catches for 1006 yds. Jurevicious HAS done far more, and has done it far more recently. C'mon. Joe J. hasn't put up a 1000 yd receiving season, but look at his continuity. Wow. Look at how money he was last year.

My thoughts entirely!

He's overrated and overhyped!

 

[CardinalLaw]

The Hutch poison pill was somehat realistic being the highest paid player on the oline. These ones form Seattle are a joke. There is no way it goes through.

 

[Stout]

That would be because he was a rookie. Then he started and had a very decent season. His third season he was hurt (and hurt the entire year). So you are saying he did "nothing before" in what, his rookie year? No kidding!! Few WRs do!! It usually takes WR 3 years to "get it". This guy is going to be a headache in our division. Then he has a decent year and follows it up with a pretty bad leg injury. It is like saying Randy Moss sucked two years ago when he was running routes on one ankle. NO KIDDING!!! Anybody who brushes this signing off as "overpaying" Burleson must not have watched many games with him. He's a VERY good #2 just starting to come into his own. In fact, he's a "Denny type signing" Young, hungry, talented and nowhere to go but up.

His 2004 stats are a much better indication of his talent than his 2005, and he is only getting better.

I'm not saying he's overpaid, or he won't develop into a good receiver, or I'm not disappointed they signed him. I just responded to the craziness of saying he's a better receiver than Joe J., especially at this point in their careers.

 

[justAndy]

It reminds me of The Clash and Van Halen jockying for the biggest payday at the Us Festival.
David Lee Roth would have kicked Strummer's ass - he didn't want to cut his knuckles on Joe's teeth.
Not saying I think Van Halen is a better BAND than The Clash...

 

[Renz]

Yea and was hurt for a big chunk of the season probbaly played in games he should not have. You want a better barometer on his skill level and talent? Look at the season before IMO. He is much more talented. Its apparent by his contract offer the Hawks would agree.

I think only $5.25 million is guaranteed (minus the poison pill BS), so it isn't like Seattle thinks he is the next Randy Moss.
Burleson only got the low tender from the Vikings so I think they will be satisfied with the 3rd round pick they will get when he signs with the Seahawks.

 

[JeffGollin]

I'm more concerned about how well we play than what all the other teams our division are doing (not doing or having gotten done to them). Picking up on my "football is a game of possibilities/not certainties" mantra -

There's always going to be a lot of free agent jockeying around each year, Sometimes those moves will turn out to be fantastic. Sometimes the dude will get injured or things won't work out. We have no control over that.

What we do have control over is what our roster is like and how well we play.

 

[Krangodnzr]

This definitely IMO is an upgrade over Jurevicius. But J had a career year last year, and I doubt that Burleson will match his numbers this year.

Losing Hutchinson was a huge blow, and IMO, none of these moves will make up for it. Seattle might look better on paper, but they lost argueably their
3rd best talent and though football is a team sport, individual matchups are still huge

Peterson + Burleson doesn't equal the overall talent that Hutchinson has.

 

[SeaChicken]

This definitely IMO is an upgrade over Jurevicius. But J had a career year last year, and I doubt that Burleson will match his numbers this year.

Losing Hutchinson was a huge blow, and IMO, none of these moves will make up for it. Seattle might look better on paper, but they lost argueably their
3rd best talent and though football is a team sport, individual matchups are still huge

Peterson + Burleson doesn't equal the overall talent that Hutchinson has.

While I agree with you to some degree, it's not just about the overall talent of a player, it's also about the impact of the position he plays and the dropoff in talent behind him.

For instance, losing Hasselbeck would hurt more than losing Hutchinson despite the fact that Hutch has better overall talent at his position.

The important thing is that we have good depth behind Hutch (certainly not All Pro material but good). IMO, with Peterson alone is a bigger upgrade for our defense than Hutchinson is a loss for our offense because the impact of a linebacker is greater than the impact on the game of a guard. In the worst year of his career (last year), Peterson lined up at LB, DE, SS, and CB at different times. Given his versatility, he becomes a player that offenses have to gameplan around whereas Hutchinson is a "hell of a good blocker".

We'll miss the hell out of Hutch but I think the impact is not even comparable... and that's before you even get into what Burleson brings.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Well I will go against the trend and say that Burleson is a mediocre receiver that benefited from a system that threw constantly. He doesn't do anything particularly well.

Think of him as a poor man's Bobby Engram, which is coincidently who he will back up. Definitely not worth a third round pick.

 

[SeaChicken]

Well I will go against the trend and say that Burleson is a mediocre receiver that benefited from a system that threw constantly. He doesn't do anything particularly well.

Think of him as a poor man's Bobby Engram, which is coincidently who he will back up. Definitely not worth a third round pick.

A fair opinion but an uneducated one. Burleson will be split wide opposite of Jackson, not "backing up Engram". Holmgren has always said that he likes Engram in the slot which is why when everyone was healthy, Bobby lined up as the slot receiver even when D.J. Hackett was in the game.

Burleson has NOT benefitted from Minnesota's system and in fact it was probably a liability for him. He is not a "stretch the field deep threat" like he was being asked to be as a number one last year. Even his draft scouting reports said he is a better fit for the West Coast offense where he can make short catches and utilize his athleticism for YAC. In Seattle, Burleson will be asked to make short catches and use his turn them into big plays whenever possible. Popping him in to replace Randy Moss was not a realistic use of his talent. And by the way, if Burleson benefitted from a system that likes to throw the ball a lot, he won't be disappointed in Seattle.

I'm pretty curious to know who you think would be a better option at WR with the 31st pick in the third round. I personally can't think of anyone.

 

[CardinalChris]

I'm not saying he's overpaid, or he won't develop into a good receiver, or I'm not disappointed they signed him. I just responded to the craziness of saying he's a better receiver than Joe J., especially at this point in their careers.

I agree, but I think Burleson could become better, so his higher ceiling makes him valuable. They are also different receivers. Burleson is a more "between the 20's" sort of guy, not the red zone threat Joe J is at all.

 

[CardinalChris]

Actually, according to ESPN, only 5.25 of the salary is garaunteed and it is structured to be redone in 3-4 years. This is one of those backloaded contracts that is nowhere NEAR the amount of the total contract.

 

[SeaChicken]

Actually, according to ESPN, only 5.25 of the salary is garaunteed and it is structured to be redone in 3-4 years. This is one of those backloaded contracts that is nowhere NEAR the amount of the total contract.

Correct. But if they structured it to be what it really will end up being (about a 4 year/$14M deal), it wouldn't be enough to scare the Vikings off by requiring them to guarantee it. They might actually consider guaranteeing a $14M deal.

 

[CardinalChris]

Not with the poison pills in there. There is NO WAY Minn. can match without an arbitrator saying the verbage was not legal.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

A fair opinion but an uneducated one. Burleson will be split wide opposite of Jackson, not "backing up Engram". Holmgren has always said that he likes Engram in the slot which is why when everyone was healthy, Bobby lined up as the slot receiver even when D.J. Hackett was in the game.

Burleson has NOT benefitted from Minnesota's system and in fact it was probably a liability for him. He is not a "stretch the field deep threat" like he was being asked to be as a number one last year. Even his draft scouting reports said he is a better fit for the West Coast offense where he can make short catches and utilize his athleticism for YAC. In Seattle, Burleson will be asked to make short catches and use his turn them into big plays whenever possible. Popping him in to replace Randy Moss was not a realistic use of his talent. And by the way, if Burleson benefitted from a system that likes to throw the ball a lot, he won't be disappointed in Seattle.

I'm pretty curious to know who you think would be a better option at WR with the 31st pick in the third round. I personally can't think of anyone.

Right...because we disagree my opinion is the "uneducated one".

Burleson has had one good year playing next to Randy Moss and in an offense where Daunte Culpepper threw over 4700 yards. Last year he was extraordinarily pedestrian, even prior to his injury problems. At the end of the season he played in a run oriented, ball control, short passing offense and was nearly invisible on the field.

He isn't particularly fast, strong, quick, tall, or tough. He is a product of the system, kind of like Stokley's fluke 1000 yard year. You are welcome to him, especially at an outlandish price.

This is the deepest draft in a long time. There will be quality players in the third round.

 

[duckfallas]

I think this is another good signing for Seattle. The Hawks did over pay but if Burlson regains the form that he had two seasons ago, he is a solid addition to that offense.

 

[football karma]

It will be interesting to see what happens with Burleson this upcoming season --

last year at this time, he was the hip pick for the next great receiver -- the thought was that as he was out from under Randy Moss' shadow, he would blossom. It turned out he wasnt a no.1 type receiver. I think he will be a solid #2 receiver oppposite Jackson, but nothing special.

The interesting thing will be seeing if he is more or less productive than Jurevicus. The thing about Joe J was that he was one of those guys who might end up with line like 4 catches for 55 yards --- but two of those catches came in the fourth quarter with the game on the line for a key score or first down.

 

[SeaChicken]

Right...because we disagree my opinion is the "uneducated one".

Burleson has had one good year playing next to Randy Moss and in an offense where Daunte Culpepper threw over 4700 yards. Last year he was extraordinarily pedestrian, even prior to his injury problems. At the end of the season he played in a run oriented, ball control, short passing offense and was nearly invisible on the field.

He isn't particularly fast, strong, quick, tall, or tough. He is a product of the system, kind of like Stokley's fluke 1000 yard year. You are welcome to him, especially at an outlandish price.

This is the deepest draft in a long time. There will be quality players in the third round.

Easy now. Don't start bleeding all over the place. The part of your opinion that I was referring to as "uneducated" is where you said he'd be backing up Engram.

And while you point out Burleson's pedestrian stats last year prior to his injuries, what you fail to point out is that for whatever reason, Culpepper couldn't hit the broad side of a barn last year before HE got injured. It's unreal what a lame QB will do to your receiving numbers. He's not particularly fast, strong, quick, tall or tough? His clocked time is faster than Terrell Owens and he's taller than Marvin Harrison. Both of them are doing okay. I can't compare his toughness or strength to anyone because I don't know enough about him in those areas and frankly I doubt that you do either. I'm open to the fact that I could be wrong if you care to site a source to back up your opinion.

A "product of the system" is just one of those cute little terms that people use now-a-days that means absolutely zero and is usually designed to detract from a players abilities. Either the man is capable of getting 1,000 yards in the NFL or he's not. "The system" didn't scoot his ass down the field or burn a DB deep. The player did. Frankly the Cardinals "system" has sucked for years but somehow Anquan Boldin keeps producing? Why? It's called "the man's got skills." I'll file that "It's just the system" crap away with the "Shaun Alexander is just a product of his line" and the "Peyton Manning wouldn't be so good if it wasn't for Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne" boloney. What's next? Marcel Shipp is really an All Pro but the "system" is holding him back? Right...

As far as Minnesota suddenly "changing their system" midseason, that's bull. They changed QBs, not coaches. Burleson (presumably) is coming to a "system" that has seen Darrell Jackson and Bobby Engram (who are not known to be particularly fast, strong, quick, tall, or tough) thrive. Burleson has better measurables than both of them and already has a 1,000 yard season under his belt. I'm glad you have made me "welcome to him" because I think he'll be a perfect fit for Seattle's "system."

And if you think that $5.25 million guaranteed over four years (yes the last three voidable years contain $30M of the $49M deal) is "outlandish", then you clearly missed the fact that Isaac Bruce who is 90 (just kidding, he's only 80) and coming off of a injury riddled season where he only got 525 yards and 3 TDs signed a deal for that much in just the first year. $49M would be outlandish if he were actually going to be paid that. But since the "real" money in the deal is only about $14.5 million over four years, it could turn out to be a steal if he can consistently perform like he did in 2004 now that he's healthy.