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Cory Redding just isnt any good. Hasent been for two straight years now. Dude played for a huge contract then left the building once he got one.
 

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To me Peterson was Seattle's best defensive player. I understand he is longer in the tooth than Lofa or Leroy, but I don't see the logic in this from Seattle's perspective. They just got worse IMO.
 
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Cory Redding just isnt any good. Hasent been for two straight years now. Dude played for a huge contract then left the building once he got one.

No doubt its tough to be a stud on a team as devoid of talent as Detroit but if you can't become a upper level guy when one of the best DL coaches in recent history is on your side, what hope do other teams have?

This was a big mistake by Seattle. I think Peterson has a good 2 years fo juice left and now they are over relying on the return to health of Grant Wistrom II.

As this offseason goes by the team that is making me pause the most all of a sudden is St Louis.
 

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As this offseason goes by the team that is making me pause the most all of a sudden is St Louis.

do you mean you think they are getting better and they scare you the most, or their moves make the least sense. I think we are the only NFC West team that has made competent moves this offseason.
 
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do you mean you think they are getting better and they scare you the most, or their moves make the least sense. I think we are the only NFC West team that has made competent moves this offseason.

Yeah I dont think they are going to challenge us or anything but I like Spagnulo, looks like they are going to get a stud OT at #2, kept their secondary together and I really like what Brown will do for that oline.

You put a couple of players like Jackson and Bulger (although i think he is overatted is still a top 15 QB) with less pressure off the ends and up the middle and they will look alot better.

They still need a #1 WR, that OT, a couple LB's and Dlineman but IMO what they are doing makes sense.
 

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Anything that gets Julian Peterson out of Seattle Im all for! Hells yeah!
 

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To me Peterson was Seattle's best defensive player. I understand he is longer in the tooth than Lofa or Leroy, but I don't see the logic in this from Seattle's perspective. They just got worse IMO.

Not really. Julian Peterson underperformed too. Especially last year. This is an even trade of non-impact players. Seattle may get the edge by getting a 5th rounder as well.
 

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Not really. Julian Peterson underperformed too. Especially last year. This is an even trade of non-impact players. Seattle may get the edge by getting a 5th rounder as well.

How so? his sacks were down slightly, but he had 86 tackles, 5 sacks, 4 forced fumbles and 5 passes defended. Pretty good year for a defense that was ripped apart by injuries.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/stats?playerId=2147

By comparison Lofa had 94 tackles, 4 passes defenses, 0 sacks, 1 forced fumble and 1 int.
Leroy Hill went for 84, 3 PD, 1 sack, 0ff and 0 INT

Looks to me like Peterson was by far thier best backer.

And to compare to somebody we are all familiar with, Dansby went for 95, 5 pd, 4 sacks, 2 FF, 2 int and 5 pd. The only category Dansby was better was in tackles.
 
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Seattle had a heck of a lot of money ($20.7M in cap room according to ESPN) tied up at LB between Peterson, Tatupu, and Hill (franchise tag). I am certainly glad to see Peterson out of the division.
 

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Not really. Julian Peterson underperformed too. Especially last year. This is an even trade of non-impact players. Seattle may get the edge by getting a 5th rounder as well.

Exactly. While trying to compare the value in the trade, most people fail to acknowledge that the Seahawks were about to release Peterson with no compensation because his production has gone down and his salary was jumping from $3.5M in 2008 to $6.5M in 2009. Letting go of Peterson was about regaining cap space. Getting Redding and the 5th was bonus.

The thing I like is that Redding agreed to restructure the monster contract he signed two years ago and Detroit gets to eat the acceleration of the signing bonus on the old contract. Seattle ends up getting rid of the most expensive years on Peterson's deal and gets Redding at a price that's more in line with what they should be paying a rotational DT. Hopefully letting Peterson go will help them get 26 year old Leroy Hill signed who will probably never be as good as JP in his prime but appears to be on the upside of his career.
 

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While I understand the cap concerns, his number was on par or below what a player with his production should earn. And although he may have slid backwards in Peterson personal expectation, it was still the best of the three LBs statistically. Wasn't Hill tagged at 8+ mil a year? Yet he had lower numbers the Peterson, who will be a bargain if he come close to 2007 instead of 2008. He may have the LT factor, a victim of his own success and expectations, making fans feel that "he was losing it". The guy has 3-5 above average years left in him. And above average LBs make about 5-6 million a year.
 

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While I understand the cap concerns, his number was on par or below what a player with his production should earn. And although he may have slid backwards in Peterson personal expectation, it was still the best of the three LBs statistically. Wasn't Hill tagged at 8+ mil a year? Yet he had lower numbers the Peterson, who will be a bargain if he come close to 2007 instead of 2008. He may have the LT factor, a victim of his own success and expectations, making fans feel that "he was losing it". The guy has 3-5 above average years left in him. And above average LBs make about 5-6 million a year.

Don't get me wrong. I don't disagree that he's got some "above average" years ahead of him. And all things being equal, I would have loved to have kept him. The problem is that those "above average" years in Peterson's case aren't at 5-6M/year, they're at $6.5 million (2009), $7.5 million (2010), $8.0 million (2011) and $8.5 million (2012). Those are "superstar" dollars. If Peterson won't take a pay cut, do you jeopardize the chance to sign an up & comer like Hill who is only 26 so that you can keep Peterson one more year despite declining production? I think the Hill contract situation forces them to make a decision on Peterson and although it's a bummer, I think they made the right one (provided they get Hill signed long term).

And not to get into any statistical hair splitting but Peterson actually wasn't our most productive LB last year. Hill was. Hill had 84 tackles in 12 games (7 per game) while Peterson had 86 in 16 games (5.4 per game). Hill suffered an injury that made him miss four games. All that said, Peterson is still a very good LB and a very nice situational DE. I wouldn't have minded having him for another year at $6.5M. But what happens next year when his cap number goes to $7.5M and his production doesn't exceed last year's? Is anyone going to give you a starting DT and a 5th round pick or will he be released with no return like so many other "once upon a time" stars did this year? Would have loved to still had JP around but I don't blame them for letting him go while he still had decent trade value.
 

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Don't get me wrong. I don't disagree that he's got some "above average" years ahead of him. And all things being equal, I would have loved to have kept him. The problem is that those "above average" years in Peterson's case aren't at 5-6M/year, they're at $6.5 million (2009), $7.5 million (2010), $8.0 million (2011) and $8.5 million (2012). Those are "superstar" dollars. If Peterson won't take a pay cut, do you jeopardize the chance to sign an up & comer like Hill who is only 26 so that you can keep Peterson one more year despite declining production? I think the Hill contract situation forces them to make a decision on Peterson and although it's a bummer, I think they made the right one (provided they get Hill signed long term).

And not to get into any statistical hair splitting but Peterson actually wasn't our most productive LB last year. Hill was. Hill had 84 tackles in 12 games (7 per game) while Peterson had 86 in 16 games (5.4 per game). Hill suffered an injury that made him miss four games. All that said, Peterson is still a very good LB and a very nice situational DE. I wouldn't have minded having him for another year at $6.5M. But what happens next year when his cap number goes to $7.5M and his production doesn't exceed last year's? Is anyone going to give you a starting DT and a 5th round pick or will he be released with no return like so many other "once upon a time" stars did this year? Would have loved to still had JP around but I don't blame them for letting him go while he still had decent trade value.

I forgot Hill was hurt, but you could contend the injuries are what created JP's lower production. I do see your point about the future salaries. It could be a trade him while you get something for him and before he gets too expensive. But I do have to disagree with Skkorp's assessment of him being a non-impact player Seattle is just tossing aside.
 

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I forgot Hill was hurt, but you could contend the injuries are what created JP's lower production. I do see your point about the future salaries. It could be a trade him while you get something for him and before he gets too expensive. But I do have to disagree with Skkorp's assessment of him being a non-impact player Seattle is just tossing aside.

Yeah, he's certainly not a "non-impact" player, especially on obvious passing downs when he lines up at DE. His still has a ton of speed off the edge.
 

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Yeah, he's certainly not a "non-impact" player, especially on obvious passing downs when he lines up at DE. His still has a ton of speed off the edge.

It does start to worry teams when "speed" players start getting to 30+, so again, may have played into it.
 
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