Sean Miller does it again, gets a 5-star recruit

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Sean Miller has done it again, this time getting a verbal from 5-star recruit Grant Jerrett. Grant's teammate, Eric Cooper Jr,. also gave Miller a verbal. Miller has exceeded my expectations when it comes to recruiting. He has done a fantastic job.
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Miller is a God. Any update on chances we get Chol this upcoming spring?
 

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Yeah Jerrett is a real surprise, most people had Ashley going to UA and figured Jerrett might be a UCLA lean. This was one of the things I pointed out when UCLA took the Wears as transfers, it was going to hurt their big recruiting in 2012 when Ashley and Jerrett were there. I haven't seen much of Jerrett but people who have had him rated right there with Ashley who I absolutely love.

Cooper is supposed to be quite good himself. Sounds like a great couple of gets for UA.
 

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Yeah Jerrett is a real surprise, most people had Ashley going to UA and figured Jerrett might be a UCLA lean. This was one of the things I pointed out when UCLA took the Wears as transfers, it was going to hurt their big recruiting in 2012 when Ashley and Jerrett were there. I haven't seen much of Jerrett but people who have had him rated right there with Ashley who I absolutely love.

Cooper is supposed to be quite good himself. Sounds like a great couple of gets for UA.

Supposedly both these guys committed early to help bring in other recruits, including Ashley. Not much front court depth at this point, so it makes sense.

If the Cats land both Ashley and Jerrett, the two best big men out west in 2012, they should build a statue of Miller outside McKale shortly after.
 

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Supposedly both these guys committed early to help bring in other recruits, including Ashley. Not much front court depth at this point, so it makes sense.

If the Cats land both Ashley and Jerrett, the two best big men out west in 2012, they should build a statue of Miller outside McKale shortly after.

Yeah if they get both Ashley and Jerrett that is pretty special based on what I've seen of Ashley and heard about Jerrett. I fully expect Turner to play at least 2 years at UA so they would both come in with a proven soph PG and other talent around them.

The interesting thing is back in January Cooper's dad told Evan Daniels they had no interest in committing early and he wouldn't commit until November of his senior year. So this is 2 years early for him, which as you said indicates he's trying to entice other recruits to follow suit.
 
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Supposedly both these guys committed early to help bring in other recruits, including Ashley. Not much front court depth at this point, so it makes sense.

If the Cats land both Ashley and Jerrett, the two best big men out west in 2012, they should build a statue of Miller outside McKale shortly after.

Its good to hear Jerrett is trying to help UA land Ashley, whom I really hope ends up at UA. But is there a chance that Ashley seeing Jerrett, Sidiki and possibly Williams (if a NBA lockout occurs) possibly limiting his playing time in 2012 and deciding to look somewhere else? Also does this mean that ARZ has dropped its pursuit of Chol?
 

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Ashley doesnt need to worry about PT on any team in the country as a freshman.
 

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Ashley doesnt need to worry about PT on any team in the country as a freshman.

Not necessarily, you won't find a bigger fan of Ashley anywhere than me, absolutely love the kid. But he's still VERY skinny and still not a very physical player. If he picks a school that has guys of similar size but much stronger and more physical he might lose some minutes to them as a freshman.

Of course he's a junior in HS and he's filling out so he might be a lot stronger by the time he gets to college. just look at Derrick Williams, people thought he was too skinny to play inside in college the way he did in HS, almost sounds laughable now he's a grown ass man dominant inside.
 

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Ashley doesnt need to worry about PT on any team in the country as a freshman.

He and Jerrett aren't very far apart in regards to rankings, in fact their games are actually very similar. If Derrick Williams stays and if a NBA lockout happens (it will) he may decide to wait until after his JR year to come out. So Ashley may have to fight for time.
 

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He and Jerrett aren't very far apart in regards to rankings, in fact their games are actually very similar. If Derrick Williams stays and if a NBA lockout happens (it will) he may decide to wait until after his JR year to come out. So Ashley may have to fight for time.

Thats the 2nd time you have stated as such but I think you are getting your timelines screwed up.

We may get lucky and Williams may not delcare after this year, but there is not a snowballs chance in hell he stays until his senior season which is the only way he would effect Ashley and Jerretts PT in 2012. The potential lockout would be THIS offseason anyway.
 

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Derrick might stay for his junior year, depends on how he and the team progress this season. NO way he's here for his senior year that's pure pipe dreaming.

Either way, Howland continues to get clowned on the recruiting trail. Continuing to lose local kids to Pac-10 rivals is what started Lavin's downward spiral so we'll see if Howland can regroup.
 

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Derrick might stay for his junior year, depends on how he and the team progress this season. NO way he's here for his senior year that's pure pipe dreaming.

Either way, Howland continues to get clowned on the recruiting trail. Continuing to lose local kids to Pac-10 rivals is what started Lavin's downward spiral so we'll see if Howland can regroup.

I guess the tradeoff if you're UCLA is instead of a very talented but young freshman you will have a less talented but experienced pair of junior twins. Personally I'd rather have Ashley or Jerrett (or both) than the Wear twins but Ben seems to love them.

You're wrong about what started Lavin's downfall, what started his downfall was getting a bunch of really talented recruits and being unable to coach them so they never got better. It became apparent that it didn't matter how good of a recruiter he was, he couldn't coach. That led to recruiting falling off because recruits picked up on it. Hassan Adams sort of was the death knell for Lavin because he publicly said after seeing a UCLA practice and an Arizona practice that Lavin's practice was " a joke." The last straw was when UCLA told Lavin he had to make changes to his staff(ie bring in someone who can coach) and he responded by wanting to hire Daren Kalish, who's not a coach he's an Adidas rep. That made it perfectly clear to UCLA than Lavin didn't get it, his solution to the problem was get a better recruiter when the problem was they had no coach.

But this is precisely why I didn't want the Wear twins at UCLA, I was concerned it might push one of the current bigs to transfer out, and it might impact the way they recruited in 2012 when there were many talented big kids. I'm not saying Jerrett is scared of the Wears, I seriously doubt he is, I'm saying I don't think Ben made Jerrett and Ashley as much of a priority as he should have because he thinks the Wears are better than I think they are.

I just hope he's right and I'm wrong.

Most UCLA fans I know are pretty bummed about Jerrett, we didn't think we would get Ashley but many thought we would get Jerrett.
 

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You're wrong about what started Lavin's downfall, what started his downfall was getting a bunch of really talented recruits and being unable to coach them so they never got better.
You mean like hypothetically getting the consensus #1 recruiting class in the country and following it up with a first weekend exit, a losing season, and a likely NIT season? Because that's what Howland is working on since 2008.

Whatever it is, my point is that Howland better shake off whatever is happening to his program because if they miss the Tournament again this year it's highly likely he enters 2011-2012 firmly on the hot seat.
 

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You mean like hypothetically getting the consensus #1 recruiting class in the country and following it up with a first weekend exit, a losing season, and a likely NIT season? Because that's what Howland is working on since 2008.

Whatever it is, my point is that Howland better shake off whatever is happening to his program because if they miss the Tournament again this year it's highly likely he enters 2011-2012 firmly on the hot seat.

No I meant Lavin's downfall began because he got guys like Baron Davis, Rush, Gadzuric, Moiso and Kapono and had no idea what to do with them. Those guys all had talent, the only one who didn't play professionally was Rush and that's because he had an alcohol problem.

The 08 class was vastly overrated. Holiday wasn't good at UCLA but is playing well now at PG in the NBA. Gordon turned out to be a headcase, talented but didn't buy in. Bobo was lazy and has chronic knee problems, and Anderson can't dribble against pressure. The only good contributor from that class is Lee. That wasn't a coaching problem the kids were simply vastly overrated. Gordon, Bobo and Anderson won't have 10 year NBA careers to prove they were misused at UCLA the way Baron, Gadzuric and Kapono did after Lavin.

I agree Howland needs to turn it around. The good thing is I think that's already in process, this years team is WAY ahead of last years at this time. they'll still lose to Kansas, hell they've won 64 in a row at home, but this years team is much better. Last years team would have been blown out by Nova and VCU, 20+ point losses easily.

I think they're a tournament team, not a final 4 team, but they should make the tourney barring major injury(like if Lane's knee turns out to be worse than the MRI showed). When you only have 10 scholarship players and one of them probably should be redshirting(Carlino) you can't afford much injury.
 

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Thats the 2nd time you have stated as such but I think you are getting your timelines screwed up.

We may get lucky and Williams may not delcare after this year, but there is not a snowballs chance in hell he stays until his senior season which is the only way he would effect Ashley and Jerretts PT in 2012. The potential lockout would be THIS offseason anyway.

What are you talking about? He is a SO now, if the lockout happens and he stays he will be a JR next year. I never said he will stay for his SR year, try comprehending posts before you respond.
 

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What are you talking about? He is a SO now, if the lockout happens and he stays he will be a JR next year. I never said he will stay for his SR year, try comprehending posts before you respond.

Wow you are going to be embarassed:

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/79558/brandon-ashley

Class of 2012

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/79558/brandon-ashley

Josiah Turner - Class of 2011

Josian will play with Derrick Williams who will stay as a Junior (hopefully) in 2011. Derrick Williams is a sophomore + 1 year = Junior.

Ashley would come in 2012 - When Derrick Williams would theoretically be a Senior and we both agree (see below) at that point he will no longer be with the program and in the NBA

I never said he will stay for his SR year, try comprehending posts before you respond.

Meaning DWill taking playing time from Ashley wouldnt be a concern because we both agree he will already be in the NBA and the lockout will hopefully be long over at that point (again 2011 offseason, not 2012). Ashley would be competing with Sidiki, Nacho, and Jerrett. I think he feels confident enough to take playing time in that rotation.

Its good to hear Jerrett is trying to help UA land Ashley, whom I really hope ends up at UA. But is there a chance that Ashley seeing Jerrett, Sidiki and possibly Williams (if a NBA lockout occurs) possibly limiting his playing time in 2012 and deciding to look somewhere else? Also does this mean that ARZ has dropped its pursuit of Chol?


He and Jerrett aren't very far apart in regards to rankings, in fact their games are actually very similar. If Derrick Williams stays and if a NBA lockout happens (it will) he may decide to wait until after his JR year to come out. So Ashley may have to fight for time.

So what am I missing?
 
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Wow you are going to be embarassed:

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/79558/brandon-ashley

Class of 2012

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/79558/brandon-ashley

Josiah Turner - Class of 2011

Josian will play with Derrick Williams who will stay as a Junior (hopefully) in 2011. Derrick Williams is a sophomore + 1 year = Junior.

Ashley would come in 2012 - When Derrick Williams would theoretically be a Senior and we both agree (see below) at that point he will no longer be with the program and in the NBA



Meaning DWill taking playing time from Ashley wouldnt be a concern because we both agree he will already be in the NBA and the lockout will hopefully be long over at that point (again 2011 offseason, not 2012). Ashley would be competing with Sidiki, Nacho, and Jerrett. I think he feels confident enough to take playing time in that rotation.






So what am I missing?

Embarrassed no. You may very well be right about Williams not being here his SR year, money is on him leaving but unless there is a quote by Williams saying he is leaving before his SR year then there is a chance he may stay. No one knows how long the lockout will last or if he gets injured.

Back to my original point, even if Williams goes, Johnson will be here, Jerrett will be here and maybe Chol unless Miller decides to call off his recruitment which there is no indication that he has. So maybe Ashley sees all these guys and thinks he won't have to share time somewhere else. Again, I hope he comes here but he may decide another school may be a better fit.
 

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Derrick Williams is gone after this season. And that probably is in the best interest of our program, showing consistent lottery picks.

D-Will has no reason to stay after he wins Pac-10 player of the year, 1st team all american this year.
 

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Thank you Sean Miller. Without you it'd make the next few years of watching the Stoops Era crumble in front out eyes almost unbearable. Things look to be back to the status quo with college sports here in Arizona.
 

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Derrick Williams is gone after this season. And that probably is in the best interest of our program, showing consistent lottery picks.

D-Will has no reason to stay after he wins Pac-10 player of the year, 1st team all american this year.

As has been said, if he stays it will the NBA lockout that decides the issue. However, from a selfish standpoint I'd love to see him stay and not just for wins either. I don't know how his game will translate to the next level (he's almost a tweener) but at this level, he's just incredible. Four years at Arizona and he waltzes into the books as one of the greatest college players ever.
 

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He's a David West clone. He'll be fine in the NBA, he's definitely not a tweener. Prototype power forward in today's NBA that can play inside and out. The guy is not staying four years, maybe next year but that's still TBD based on several factors.
 

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There will be a lockout. No doubt about it. The only question is if it's going to last the entire season. I think it will.
 

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He's a David West clone. He'll be fine in the NBA, he's definitely not a tweener. Prototype power forward in today's NBA that can play inside and out. The guy is not staying four years, maybe next year but that's still TBD based on several factors.

He's built like West but they are hardly clones. If nothing else, Williams is much quicker off his feet IMO. I'm not sure he has West's mid-range game either but it's hard to tell because of the way UA has to use him.

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