Sean Salsbury said Denny's job is safe but not the players

[BigRedArk]

A mix of both is necesary to beat any defense, but there is NO RULE that is ALWAYS required to set up the pass with the run...if your strength is doing the reverse (as demonstrated in EVERY GAME this year... except Seattle), then DO WHAT WORKS. In the first half AGAIN, we started with the short-quick passes that moved us down the field and our running game actually got a few chunks to move the chains...IT WAS WORKING!!!! Then, as we seem to believe is the SOP, we go run up the middle, use the clock and get 3rd and LONG for the rest of the game....what kind of thinking is that? Damn Bears fans behind me were calling our plays for the whole second half and they were WASTED! Ya think that maybe Ron Rivera and the #1 ranked D in the NFL did not have a clue what was coming? DO WHAT WORKS, and when the figure it out.. ADJUST! Every team we play sees how we go 'turtle' after we get a lead and they gain confidence in their ability to come back...until Rowen and DG recognize that we need to go full throttle to win games... we will continue on the same path. You don't fix failure by continuing on the same path that led you there TWO times before!

I dunno man we ran quick short passes in the 2nd half just like we did in the 1st quarter too and it didn't open the run up. I tend to go with what Conrad said and call different running plays other than right up the gut perhaps. Did we even run a draw? Do we have a draw play in our arsenal? Running the ball and milking the clock was a good strategy. Mixing things up and not becoming predictable would have been even better. Furthermore if we cover that punt we win the game.

 

[Mulli]

And based on what Cardlogic posted, how is the OL supoosed to run block against the Bears front seven when the plays are so predictable?

 

[conraddobler]

And based on what Cardlogic posted, how is the OL supoosed to run block against the Bears front seven when the plays are so predictable?

You do realize we didn't need to gain yardage don't you, giving them the ball back after milking the clock was fine, we didn't lose because we gave the ball back to their offense, we lost because our offense turned the ball over when it absolutely couldn't and we allowed a punt return for a TD when we absolutely couldn't.

 

[Mulli]

You do realize we didn't need to gain yardage don't you, giving them the ball back after milking the clock was fine, we didn't lose because we gave the ball back to their offense, we lost because our offense turned the ball over when it absolutely couldn't and we allowed a punt return for a TD when we absolutely couldn't.

Sure the turnovers and punt return were unacceptable. But come on.
Didn't need to gain yardage? Does it not take up even more time if they gain yardage? Do they not win if the gain enough yardage to score more than 9 points after getting up 14-0?

 

[JC_AZ]

I dunno man we ran quick short passes in the 2nd half just like we did in the 1st quarter too and it didn't open the run up. I tend to go with what Conrad said and call different running plays other than right up the gut perhaps. Did we even run a draw? Do we have a draw play in our arsenal? Running the ball and milking the clock was a good strategy. Mixing things up and not becoming predictable would have been even better. Furthermore if we cover that punt we win the game.

Agreed...just frustrates me that we run the same script over and over and over and wonder why the results don't change...isn't Edge supposed to be a 'great receiver our of the backfield' (according to DG)...is there some reason we don't screen pass or draw or even more bizarre... throw a pass into the end zone? Maybe to our 6'8" TE...at least TRY to score a TD versus set up for a FG EVERY TIME WE GET A LEAD?

 

[CardLogic]

Sure the turnovers and punt return were unacceptable. But come on.
Didn't need to gain yardage? Does it not take up even more time if they gain yardage? Do they not win if the gain enough yardage to score more than 9 points after getting up 14-0?

Exactly! What kills more time, a three and out or having a 5 or 6 minute drive down the field!

 

[vinnymac]

it is what it is. the cardinals lost. rowen got fired today. now the caridnals are moving on. so let us move on to the raidiers.

 

[Young Card]

I though Green did a nice job. The two fumbles were not his fault. Ross decided not to block anyone and James fumbled when he went into the pack of Chicago defenders. The punt return was also a fluke. Had Ross blocked hsi man or even slowed him down a little then Green's plan would have worked to perfection.

 

[Big T]

But throwing the ball is what the Cards really are. At what point do you finally acknowledge you are just not a good running team? This is week 6 and they still haven't figured out they cannot run with a piss poor run blocking OL and a RB that has no apparent burst anymore.

Charels Barkley thought the Cards were being too passive...CHARLES BARKLEY thought they were being too passive because he knows what kind of team the Cards really are.

And CHARLES BARKLEY twice in pimping Dennis Green talked about how he acquired Quan.

Charles should stick to having house parties with Oliver Miller as overseer, and golfing. For someone who kept making a point about being too smart to play football, he sure didn't make much of a case for himself.

 

[Big T]

And since when has Sean Salisbury ever been right about anything.....other than turning down the job as one of Denny's assistants?

 

[dreamcastrocks]

And CHARLES BARKLEY twice in pimping Dennis Green talked about how he acquired Quan.

Charles should stick to having house parties with Oliver Miller as overseer, and golfing. For someone who kept making a point about being too smart to play football, he sure didn't make much of a case for himself.

And why shouldn't he? He wasn't even the first WR that THIS TEAM selected? Every team passed on him once, and some passed twice.

You can't possibly think that this is not a positive of Green...right?

If you want to prove a point about Barkley's knowledge, you completely chose the wrong topic.

 

[Young Card]

You can't possibly think that this is not a positive of Green...right?

Boldin was drafted before Green came to the team

 

[Big T]

LOL,
Thank you Young Card.

You seem a little more on top of things than a few others who insist on inserting their foot into their mouth.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

BRA:

Like the Chicago defense did, with the game on the line, when Leinart completed 4 of 5 to move the Cardinals in range for what should have been the game-winning FG?

You're correct that the Cards can't pass every down. But they can use the pass to set up the run, and not become predictable in their play calling based on down and distance. This OL isn't good enough to make the running game go if the opponent's defense knows what's coming.

Last night, the Cardinals offense went conservative far too soon, for far too long. And it cost them the game.

WC

Heres my take. Why the hell did we go away from the short passing game (the passes to Q behind the line, the 3 yard out to a WR) that was proving to be just as effective as even the best running attack. Philly does this with absolute precision and they limit their runs by moving the chains by short passes. And you'll notice the first two drives where we actually did this - we were able to run the ball around 5 yards pop to. Thats not a concidence.

Just go with our strength Krucezk. short passes with a BETTER version of Brian Westbrook lined behind Leinart. Like everyone keeps saying - pass to set up the run......

 

[ajcardfan]

Boldin was drafted before Green came to the team

True, but he signed a big extension with Green as coach. He's Green's player now.

 

[Goodyear Card]

You cannot pass every down though. After a short while the D will wise up and stop that.

You can't run the ball the ball up the middle every down because the defense will wise up and stop it.

 

[vince56]

And why shouldn't he? He wasn't even the first WR that THIS TEAM selected? Every team passed on him once, and some passed twice.

Dude, Green's first draft pick was Fitzgerald. Boldin was a 2nd round pick of McGinnis in his last year in 2003. Remember Blake was throwing him the ball his rookie year. The Bryant Johnson/Calvin Pace first round, Boldin in the 2nd, that was 2003 bud, not 2004.

 

[Goodyear Card]

If's and buts

The strategy of running was correct, the plays called you can argue with in terms of running straight up the gut, not varying it better sure but you're just missing the point.

This was a good loss, it wakes everyone up, it's like an alcoholic bottoming out, they have no where else to go but to realize the problems and fix them.

the strategy of running is correct if you can run the ball. But we have a poor running game. It is only slightly better than falling on the ground.

There is no such thing as a good loss. I hope you are never a coach at any level of sports. To accept losing is to admit failure. never stop and never quit. You make me sick.

 

[BigRedArk]

You can't run the ball the ball up the middle every down because the defense will wise up and stop it.

Pardone monsignor? When did I advocate running the ball every down?

 

[Duckjake]

the strategy of running is correct if you can run the ball. But we have a poor running game. It is only slightly better than falling on the ground.

With a 20 point lead most good teams will start to try to run the clock in the NFL regardless of what quarter. But the Cards couldn't even do that right.

If the Cards do not throw those stupid incomplete passes every second and third down in the 4th quarter resulting in 50 second possessions Arizona wins the game.

 

[SO91]

I think most people agree running the ball in that situation is the smart choice, but a smart coaching staff would pick up the trends and adjust midgame, as oppossed to next week! The coaching staff should have used the aggressive Bears D to their advantage by mixing the playcall and taken a shot down the field with the one-on-one coverage they faced. I know the OL is horrendous and can't open up a whole if their lives depended on it, but the coaches should already be aware of that.

 

[AZ Shocker]

I know the OL is horrendous and can't open up a whole if their lives depended on it, but the coaches should already be aware of that.

Apparently they're not.

Apparently Denny thinks we're going to get a running game going. Oh we might surprise in the first quarter, but after the other team makes adjustments...for-gedd-a-bout-it...

 

[D-Dogg]

I have two plays that I wanted to see called. When we had second and short late in the game, and the box stacked up, that little hike and toss to Boldin would have worked like a charm...possibly gotten six.

Has this team EVER heard of an end-around? Aggressive defense + strong RB-in-a-WR body in Boldin or fast low-to-the-ground waterbug in Walters = big gainer. If we are going to run it 38 times in the game, why wasn't one of them an end-around ESPECIALLY against an aggressive defense?

 

[AZ Shocker]

We have ABSOLUTELY no trick plays in our aersonal.
Conservative coaching and SLOW o-linemen.

The problem here with the Cardinals since the time Moses led the slaves through the parted sea is that all these coaches who come here trying to rectify the losing ways say this...

"Let's get back to "basic" football and teach this talent how to win."

The Bidwills eat that crap up and immediatley hire the guy (whoever he is).

One problem...it doesn't happen. "Basic football" only exist years before players get to the NFL. Basic football is taught at the pop-warner level. Sure it has its merits and is a totally viable philosiphy, but not when you play for the most losing-est franchise in the history of Earth.

We all know the Cardinals have SUCKED forever. Their reputation is too overwhelming to ever overcome the rules of "basic football". The franchise needs to get lucky and find a coach that understands this. A coach that will not only coach the team to the players strenghts, but also have some wrinkles and some serious...serious unorthodox ways within his system. Surprise the opposition for once! Get the other guys guessing.

Since I've been a Cardinal fan, I can't EVER remember being surprised on a play call. No matter who the coach is...WE ARE SO VANILLA!!!

Bidwills are conservative...they hire coaches who are conservative. Note to the Bidkills..."Conservatism" seems to not be working in the NFL these days.

Play to WIN!!!

 

[vinnymac]

I have two plays that I wanted to see called. When we had second and short late in the game, and the box stacked up, that little hike and toss to Boldin would have worked like a charm...possibly gotten six.

Has this team EVER heard of an end-around? Aggressive defense + strong RB-in-a-WR body in Boldin or fast low-to-the-ground waterbug in Walters = big gainer. If we are going to run it 38 times in the game, why wasn't one of them an end-around ESPECIALLY against an aggressive defense?

the bears defense plays a very displine defense. the end arounds don't work on them. i was hoping for some counter plays. maybe some playaction in those running situations.