Sean Taylor Threads

[Syracusecards]

Believe it or not, people close to him read this type of thing. A friend of mine died this past summer who happened to be a police officer and there was a lot of media involved. I went on a lot of blogs to read about my friend out of comfort to hear from people that knew him and cared for him, and ended up disgusted by the way he was being blamed for his own death even though he was hit by a boat driven by someone who had been drinking. He did nothing wrong at all and yet his actions were being questioned by people that knew nothing about what an amazing person he was or what actually happened.

None of you know Sean Taylor, or his family. You may think you're just protecting your right to speech by bashing or specualting on someone, but all you're doing is hurting the people who cared about him, because they WILL google his name, and believe it or not, your posts might be read by his daughter some day. I just ask that yoiu think about that.

It was hard enough for me losing a childhood friend to such a fluke random stupid act. It certainly didn't help seeing the cruel and hurtfull opinions posted about him.

The internet can be a horrible thing. It allows people to say things that they never would say if they were standing in the same room as the people they were talking about. All I ask is, pretend Sean Taylor's family is in the room while you type. His daughter may decide to google his name some day. And it's very possible she could end up reading what you say. Would you want your kids to read things like this about you?

 

[Jetstream Green]

I feel the same way

a man just died, left a little girl behind in this world and there is nothing entertaining about it to me.

 

[azsouthendzone]

Sean Taylor was one of the best defensive backs in the NFL. An intruder broke into his house on two seperate occassions within a week and the second time he was killed. He has a well publicized checkered past. This is going to be discussed. His past is going to be discussed. It is all over the news as you should expect it to be.

 

[Jetstream Green]

just a thought, if Sean Taylor was your brother...would you like people posting polls on him on who or why he died. I understand people interest, I would just like to see people give it a little space out of respect before they jump into it...say at least a couple of days?

 

[Brian in Mesa]

The situation can be tragic without being shocking.

 

[Jetstream Green]

agreed, and everyone on this board has really said nothing hateful about the guy but it is just the timing that disturbs me...that's all. The guy was like 24, dead and his book of life is closed...that commands some respect at first.

 

[azsouthendzone]

just a thought, if Sean Taylor was your brother...would you like people posting polls on him on who or why he died. I understand people interest, I would just like to see people give it a little space out of respect before they jump into it...say at least a couple of days?

If Sean Taylor was my brother I probably wouldn't be on ASFN right now, and I also think that it would be the least of my worries. As an NFL player, there are threads about Sean dating back to his days at Miami analyzing his every move on and off the field and I'm sure for every nice, respectful comment on the web there are double that say "sean sucks" or "sean is a thug" or whatever that were posted while he was alive. I mean, look at how many threads appeared online viciously hating Rackers. I doubt Neil's wife appreciates people saying "I wish Rackers was house sitting for Sean Taylor" or people bashing Kurt Warner and even Kurt's wife because he fumbles a ball and they are ALIVE. Their high profile status as athletes makes them a topic of discussion on a whole different level then everyday people, and now that Sean has died of a gunshot wound you expect it to not be discussed? Ain't gonna happen folks and it should be discussed. I'm sure his family is well aware that it is a topic of discussion, just like Francis Bean Cobain realizes why her dad's suicide is discussed and analyzed in front of the world every day. This shouldn't be swept under the rug. The authorities need to figure out what exactly happened for the sake of his daughter.

 

[Shane]

Oh goodness the moral police are out again.

Its big news and suspicious big news and warrants being talked about. azsouthendzone you are 100% correct in your views.

 

[Jersey Girl]

Oh goodness the moral police are out again.

Its big news and suspicious big news and warrants being talked about. azsouthendzone you are 100% correct in your views.

I don't think there's anything wrong with Syracuse's post and I don't think he's trying to be the moral police. I think he's just trying to be respectful and encouraging others to do (in his eyes) the same. Some people think talking about it and all is good and, yes, it is a big story. Others don't like it. That's life.

I've seen the "you are 100% correct" phrase thrown around here a lot lately. I'm not calling you out, Shane. You know I think you're cool. But, the fact is, no one is 100% correct in their views on this board ... ever. (Well, except maybe in the opinion to eliminate NEM.)

And, yes, I have read the threads on this topic and have simply chosen not to post in them. I've also read the threads on Sunday's debacle and not posted, mostly because I hear my grandmother's voice in my head saying that if I don't have anything nice to say (which I don't), then don't say anything at all.

All in all, I just wish there was something good to talk about right now.

 

[Gee!]

I think Seans family should feel privelged millions of folks are willing to speak about this life.. Thousands of people die daily that no one hears about.. Obviously, Sean made a mark on this world.. And I tend to believe it was for a good reason.. I see his troubles, but also see he was turning it around.. I see it as a positive.. For those that dont think it is..

There is a reason for everything.. Sometimes people cant see it at first from the clouded mind and the emottion of it all being so new..

Definitly a bluebrint of a man that was trying.. As I see it.. And thats all we cant ask for cuz when the hope is gone, so is everyone else..

 

[Jetstream Green]

We all have our points on why or why not to discuss this at the moment, one thing I know for sure: Mods- none of this seems to have to do with what Taylor did on the football field and should be moved to another forum. Peace and Go Cards

 

[Shane]

I don't think there's anything wrong with Syracuse's post and I don't think he's trying to be the moral police. I think he's just trying to be respectful and encouraging others to do (in his eyes) the same. Some people think talking about it and all is good and, yes, it is a big story. Others don't like it. That's life.

I've seen the "you are 100% correct" phrase thrown around here a lot lately. I'm not calling you out, Shane. You know I think you're cool. But, the fact is, no one is 100% correct in their views on this board ... ever. (Well, except maybe in the opinion to eliminate NEM.)

And, yes, I have read the threads on this topic and have simply chosen not to post in them. I've also read the threads on Sunday's debacle and not posted, mostly because I hear my grandmother's voice in my head saying that if I don't have anything nice to say (which I don't), then don't say anything at all.

All in all, I just wish there was something good to talk about right now.

He is 100% correct. It is what it is. I understand his view and choice not to talk about it same as I do yours. But he doesnt need to impose his desire not to talk about it on others. We will do it. It is in no way disrespectful to anyone.

If that was the case we shouldnt ever talk about any publicized/high profile murder,drug deals gone bad, or gun case, in the P&R.

 

[Billy Flynt]

There is a certain amount of decorum that is to be observed when someone passes, no matter what you may have thought of them. The most important thing to remember is that there is a grieving family that has suffered the loss of a son, father, boyfriend right now. Our prayers should be with them.

On a similar note:
There has been a huge outcry over the comments of Michael Wilbon, comments made after the shooting and prior to Taylor's death. I don't condemn Wilbon for making them for Taylor has a checkered past and the details of the incident thus far seem to indicate that this may not have been some random burglary gone wrong.

Either way I hope that the killer is found and brought to justice, whatever his motives. I respected Sean Taylor for his abilities on the football field and for that I'm sad that the NFL has lost a great competitor.

 

[red desert]

Believe it or not, people close to him read this type of thing. A friend of mine died this past summer who happened to be a police officer and there was a lot of media involved. I went on a lot of blogs to read about my friend out of comfort to hear from people that knew him and cared for him, and ended up disgusted by the way he was being blamed for his own death even though he was hit by a boat driven by someone who had been drinking. He did nothing wrong at all and yet his actions were being questioned by people that knew nothing about what an amazing person he was or what actually happened.

None of you know Sean Taylor, or his family. You may think you're just protecting your right to speech by bashing or specualting on someone, but all you're doing is hurting the people who cared about him, because they WILL google his name, and believe it or not, your posts might be read by his daughter some day. I just ask that yoiu think about that.

It was hard enough for me losing a childhood friend to such a fluke random stupid act. It certainly didn't help seeing the cruel and hurtfull opinions posted about him.

The internet can be a horrible thing. It allows people to say things that they never would say if they were standing in the same room as the people they were talking about. All I ask is, pretend Sean Taylor's family is in the room while you type. His daughter may decide to google his name some day. And it's very possible she could end up reading what you say. Would you want your kids to read things like this about you?

Thank you for your kind and compassionate post. I totally agree.

 

[red desert]

Oh goodness the moral police are out again.

Its big news and suspicious big news and warrants being talked about. azsouthendzone you are 100% correct in your views.

You know, more than anyone on this board, you strike me as not the brightest guy. And your posts on this subject just serve to illustrate that point. You continually refer to other posts as stupid. Just strikes me as odd.

I'm tired of your closed-minded ignorance. No matter the topic, you just always seem to have the answers to all the ills in the world, don't you? I knew immediately upon the topic of Taylor's death being discussed on this board that you would chime in with your second grade level detective mindset.

People in glass houses, dude.

 

[red desert]

We all have our points on why or why not to discuss this at the moment, one thing I know for sure: Mods- none of this seems to have to do with what Taylor did on the football field and should be moved to another forum. Peace and Go Cards

I second that.

 

[Shane]

You know, more than anyone on this board, you strike me as not the brightest guy. And your posts on this subject just serve to illustrate that point. You continually refer to other posts as stupid. Just strikes me as odd.

I'm tired of your closed-minded ignorance. No matter the topic, you just always seem to have the answers to all the ills in the world, don't you? I knew immediately upon the topic of Taylor's death being discussed on this board that you would chime in with your second grade level detective mindset.

People in glass houses, dude.

I dont recall telling anyone they are stupid in this thread but ok. Oh and if I have made you think I am the dumbest person on this board with a 2nd grade education then I have upheld my end of this deal admirably.

I don't give a rats azz what anyone on this board thinks of me. Least of all you. ITS A MESSAGE BOARD DUDE!

 

[CardLogic]

The following article seems appropriate in this thread.

Speculation on role of Taylor's past

Posted on Wed, Nov. 28, 2007

By DAN LE BATARD
[email protected]

You remember him wrapped in so much armor. Muscles. Helmet. Padding. Distrust. The late Sean Taylor was known as one of the most menacing hitters in a violent game. But when the news organizations started putting his fresh face on TV screens in recent days -- no helmet, no scowl, no aura -- you couldn't help but notice this: My God, he looked like such a baby-faced child.

You can't apply logic to the illogical or reason with the unreasonable. Entangle a gunshot and death and mystery and fame, and it starts people gossiping and filing it under journalism. So now CNN and Fox and the rest rush toward the noise and add to it, trying to make sense of something that makes none. You see the awful mathematics of ''1983-2007'' on a fresh tombstone, and there isn't a lot that gets seen clearly through the subsequent sobs.
We, the media and the public, didn't know Taylor well. He didn't speak to or trust reporters, and you couldn't really blame him. But now too much of his eulogy is about his public misdeeds because he didn't give us much else. It feels wrong. It feels dirty. But it is, unfortunately.
And the echoing questions after his death become bigger because the insatiable machine must be fed and the news organizations insist on trying to apply depth and meaning and sense to the senseless. What's going on at the cursed University of Miami? What's with the crime in South Florida? What does Taylor's death say about guns, about Hurricanes, about athletes, about us?
NO RIGHT ANSWERS
The questions don't have any good or right answers today. They aren't even fair, especially not with an absence of facts and not when the speculation smears a city and school while a broken family weeps. But they are pretty impossible to avoid when a famous man dies too young and too publicly and too mysteriously, and he's from a place that has too much of this senselessness in its past.
Taylor had a machete under the bed in his $700,000 home? Why? Intruders allegedly tried to break in twice in a few days in a nice neighborhood? Does that suggest they were looking for him? A shot to the groin? Does this have to do with vengeance? They are the kind of questions that make you queasy and don't make this feel very much like a robbery gone awry. You'd like to think that police will get some answers, but the last UM player to die this way remains a cold case more than a year later.
And then there's this: Did Taylor's past finally catch up to him? Is that fair to ask today? If this wasn't an accident, if Taylor wasn't just an innocent victim who surprised a burglar, what in his life was so dark that someone would run the risk of the spotlight that comes from murdering the famous?
Clinton Portis always said that Taylor was the craziest Hurricane ever -- not an easy list to top, that one. One of Taylor's many agents remembers that Taylor was reckless beyond reason in college, though Taylor never found any public trouble there. But public figures aren't as one-dimensional as we make them, so these morsels of information might not be any more telling or complete than if he once gave out turkeys during a holiday season.
The past is a constant tension with today's athlete, though. The inability to cut ties with it is part of what gets Michael Vick and Pac-Man Jones wrecked. It is easy to say the rich and famous should just abandon their past upon getting rich and famous, but that isn't terribly human.
''People always want to talk about the fruit of the situation and not the root,'' Hall of Famer Michael Irvin says. ``It is probably best that you cut off all the guys you grew up with and not say another word to them. It is probably the right thing to do. But what do you do when you pick up that toothbrush, and you are alone in the mirror, and you remember that guy's mom fed you when you had nothing? You are wearing a $150,000 watch and you can't give him $5,000?''
LIVING FROM HEART
Irvin marvels at how quickly people who didn't come from his place are to dismiss people who did.
''I'm not saying you grew up with a silver spoon in your mouth, but you had a spoon,'' he says. ``A lot of guys didn't. Where were you when we were starving? I didn't have a Christmas. I'd have cornflakes but no sugar. So I borrowed sugar from someone in the hood. And I ate my cornflakes with water. You ever felt that situation?''
Get rid of your friends -- Taylor likely heard that a lot after one of his bad public moments.
''That's easy to do when you are only living in the head,'' Irvin says. ``But when I remember someone feeding me when I didn't have anything, now we're living in my heart.''
The University of Miami's program has always lived in the heart -- passionate, emotional, loving, soaring, reckless and blinding.
That heavy heart sinks again today, so wounded and so weary.

 

[azsouthendzone]

Great article, but I guess the responsible thing to do by the writer would just to have written "godspeed" or "our thoughts and prayers are with the Taylor family."

 

[Shane]

Great article, but I guess the responsible thing to do by the writer would just to have written "godspeed" or "our thoughts and prayers are with the Taylor family."

 

[azsouthendzone]

Shane and I are agreeing on almost everything lately. If that can happen, anything can. The Cards will run the table and win the NFC West!!!

 

[cardsfanmd]

You know, more than anyone on this board, you strike me as not the brightest guy. And your posts on this subject just serve to illustrate that point. You continually refer to other posts as stupid. Just strikes me as odd.

I'm tired of your closed-minded ignorance. No matter the topic, you just always seem to have the answers to all the ills in the world, don't you? I knew immediately upon the topic of Taylor's death being discussed on this board that you would chime in with your second grade level detective mindset.

People in glass houses, dude.

I understand everyone is in a weird place right now with this Taylor issue and the Cards playing like the cards, but trust me, this is not the direction you want to go in with your posts. The more enemies you make here the quicker and longer your bans come and last. It has taken me about 15 bans to realize that people are grown when they come here and there is nothing anyone can do over a message board to change a grown individual. Seems best to live and let live here. For the record though, I disagree with Shane all the time (and I tend to be fairly rude about it) and he has never attacked me (that I remember anyway). Stay cool and relax.

but if you have to bother some, make it nashman