Season to be cancelled by Friday...

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It'll be a while before I plunk down any hard-earned money on the NHL. Way to go clowns. :|
 

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I just read the story and came here to post it.

As much as this sucks, it had to happen. I am glad the NHLPA held out. I hope they get broken. Then again, I want the owners to return the ability of the normal fan to afford getting season tickets, and that ain't gonna happen either.

Oh well.
 

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I lay this squarely at the feet of the owners.

They offered the contracts, they over expanded, they locked the players out. Bettman could be worse than Selig!
 
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Apparently both sides are in lengthy discussions right now, but it is certainly not looking good.
 

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After reading this story I am even more resolved to never spend another nickel for this greedy bunch of players again. They are a fringe sport(one in which I played and enjoyed watching) that does not have broad appeal across this country. They priced out the fans that loved the sport and supported it during the 70's and 80's and salaries increased because of it. If the owners can break this union and restore the sport to the real fans of it I would support it but I do not believe that the owners even want to do that. I would rather watch the St. Charles Ice Dogs than watch these ********
 

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NickelBack said:
I lay this squarely at the feet of the owners.

They offered the contracts, they over expanded, they locked the players out. Bettman could be worse than Selig!


Not could, he is worse than Selig :eek:

And I agree, I blame the owners for this, not the players. No one forced the owners to give out the big contracts. It's their fault that everyone is in this mess. But, by the time they went about trying to fix it, it was too late.

That said, the players have to come halfway. I thought their first proposal was a good starting point.

Oh well.
 
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They have been in discussions for over seven hours now, I hope thats a good sign.

Edit: And TSN is reporting that these discussions could go long into the night, according to an NHL official.
 
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And I agree, I blame the owners for this, not the players. No one forced the owners to give out the big contracts. It's their fault that everyone is in this mess. But, by the time they went about trying to fix it, it was too late.

I think the owners are acting like total idiots.

And isn't Bettman from the NBA....he has ruined the game.
 

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Why shouldn't they NHL have a salary cap?? The NFL does and I sure haven't seen any pro football players at the Food stamp office.
 

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There is fault on both sides. They do need a salary cap and the players are refusing to accept one.

I think what they need is a season ticket ceiling cap, set against a percentage of the national income average so as to not price out average fans. Then they can work the rest of the prices around that.

Like that would ever happen.
 

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The Plot Thickens...

First, let me say that I have never been more confidant there will be a season this year. I'll give you some time...You might want to wipe the coffey (in honor of Paul) off your computer screen. I spent last night talking to some people on both sides, and the two sides are FINALLY in the dance. A deadline has been set. Feb 14...A 30 game season to start March 1 is being scripted...

Goodenow's frustration aside. Not bringing home the deal he promise is just a hiccup in the process. The botton line is I finally got to sit down and talk to some people close and they said concessions have been made, and Goodenow saying "there is no progress" following 11 hours of discussion is just another media play. A staged storming out. If you listen closely the players are telling you this is going to get done. The quotes, even today, are encouraging.

Here is what I have heard. The players would accept a 50 Million Dollar Cap. The owners are at 42...but they are finding a way around this and it goes back to a rumor posted here a while back. The franchise player exception. Think about it. The difference between a 42 and 50 could easily be 1 player. This allows you have a 42-45 million cap with one franchise player that doesn't count against a cap. This will distribute the superstar players throughout the league, and yes the big market teams will be able to get the big guys (the NHL secretly doesn't mind this), but hockey is such a team sport that it is rare that one player will swing the competitive balance. The NHLPA loves this idea because if you take the one big guy out of the cap you don't swallow up 20% of the cap to a single player. This is the big concern the players have. This is the "bone" JR was talking about.

The NHL gets their cost certainty, the players know there will be money for the third and fourth liners. The lower teams will be able to compete. The balance will never get out of control again.

Bottom line is this, and I'm sorry if I repeat myself. The pressure from both sides to get this done is intense. They know that a cancelled season will kill a few teams, and diminish the pot across the board. This will get done. It was almost done yesterday, and Bettman got nervous. He talked to his owners last night. The conference call was only 25 minutes long.

I was told by someone in the Flyers organization he feels "very confidant and relieved" this morning.

The fans are still going to ride the roller coaster for one more week. I get many e-mails from people saying that they are getting sick over this. My suggestion, stay away until February 15th. If you are the kind of fan that bleeds hockey pucks this is painful. If you are someone who owns your own business or negotiates for a living, this is just another day in the office.

For now, go out have fun! These past two days were painful. Have a beer and rent "Miracle."
 

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