Sedrick Ellis Pro day

[Russ Smith]

Not that he needed to but apparently he nailed it.

Includes stuff from Scott Wolf on Ellis and other USC guys.

http://www.insidesocal.com/usc/

Unlike past years, quite a few a players helped themselves at Pro Day. It might be because this senior class was mature and there were not any underclassmen participating.
Sedrick Ellis improved all of his combine performances, improving his vertical leap from 26 inches to 30. He dropped his 40 time from 5.3 to 5.0 and he did 36 reps on the bench press.
Keith Rivers ran two good 40 times and also had a 42-inch vertical leap. John David Booty completed several deep balls, his biggest question mark, to former UCLA receiver Freddie Mitchell and former USC wide receiver Jason Mitchell.
Other players, like Alex Morrow and Dale Thompson, also increased their stock.
One player who did not seem thrilled at the end of the workout was Terrell Thomas, who did not want to discuss his performance.

 

[SuperSpck]

How'd he be as a 3-4 defensive end?

 

[General Chaos]

I hope Rivers ran really well so someone takes him ahead of us. That could possibly cause a corner or tackle to drop to us.

 

[cardsfanmd]

How'd he be as a 3-4 defensive end?

Much like Dockett IMO, maybe better.

 

[Stout]

Wow, 36 reps is impressive. Nice job in the dash, too. I second whoever hopes Rivers' workout moved him up higher. I want someone (preferably the Lions) to snag him before we pick. He's quite simply not who we need.

 

[ItsInTheCards]

Not that he needed to but apparently he nailed it.

Includes stuff from Scott Wolf on Ellis and other USC guys.

http://www.insidesocal.com/usc/

Unlike past years, quite a few a players helped themselves at Pro Day. It might be because this senior class was mature and there were not any underclassmen participating.
Sedrick Ellis improved all of his combine performances, improving his vertical leap from 26 inches to 30. He dropped his 40 time from 5.3 to 5.0 and he did 36 reps on the bench press.
Keith Rivers ran two good 40 times and also had a 42-inch vertical leap. John David Booty completed several deep balls, his biggest question mark, to former UCLA receiver Freddie Mitchell and former USC wide receiver Jason Mitchell.
Other players, like Alex Morrow and Dale Thompson, also increased their stock.
One player who did not seem thrilled at the end of the workout was Terrell Thomas, who did not want to discuss his performance.

I think Mayock actually said during the combine that he liked him more than Dorsey

 

[WildBB]

John David Booty completed several deep balls, his biggest question mark, to former UCLA receiver Freddie Mitchell and former USC wide receiver Jason Mitchell.

I'd like to see them take a flyer on Booty around the 5th round or so.

 

[cardsfanmd]

He really reminds me of Warren Sapp.

 

[lobo]

Wow, 36 reps is impressive. Nice job in the dash, too. I second whoever hopes Rivers' workout moved him up higher. I want someone (preferably the Lions) to snag him before we pick. He's quite simply not who we need.

...some truth to that but wouldn't be bad to have!!!!

 

[cardsfanmd]

No way on earth he is still around when we pick. If he was, the team would and should sprint to the podium.

 

[DaisyCutter]

Wow, 36 reps is impressive. Nice job in the dash, too. I second whoever hopes Rivers' workout moved him up higher. I want someone (preferably the Lions) to snag him before we pick. He's quite simply not who we need.

I don't know. In my projections, at least, Rivers was always going in the Top 15 picks. I've been predicting that he goes to the Saints or the Bengals.

If you want the Cards to get helped by having a player drop, you need to hope that Branden Albert keeps climbing boards for no reason, or that Aqib Talib gets picked up, or that someone above us takes Jeff Otah. You should especially hope that some team can't get a deal to move down and take a WR, so end up picking someone like Devin Thomas in the Top 15.

It depends on whom you want to fall down to us, but I think that if there's a run on DL (Dorsey, Long, Gholston, and Ellis are locks, but cross your fingers that someone gets swept up and takes Harvey or Merling) and/or OL (Long and Clady are, IMO locks, but I'm getting less sure about Williams, Otah, and Albert), then the Cards will be in a pretty good position to have a good player fall to them.

Alternatively, if there's a run on WR for some reason between 10 and 14, it really increases the Cards' trade leverage.

 

[DaisyCutter]

I'd like to see them take a flyer on Booty around the 5th round or so.

I'm not sure he'd be there by then. But I'd love to use our 7th round pick on Matt Flynn.

 

[WildBB]

I don't know. In my projections, at least, Rivers was always going in the Top 15 picks. I've been predicting that he goes to the Saints or the Bengals.

If you want the Cards to get helped by having a player drop, you need to hope that Branden Albert keeps climbing boards for no reason, or that Aqib Talib gets picked up, or that someone above us takes Jeff Otah. You should especially hope that some team can't get a deal to move down and take a WR, so end up picking someone like Devin Thomas in the Top 15.

It depends on whom you want to fall down to us, but I think that if there's a run on DL (Dorsey, Long, Gholston, and Ellis are locks, but cross your fingers that someone gets swept up and takes Harvey or Merling) and/or OL (Long and Clady are, IMO locks, but I'm getting less sure about Williams, Otah, and Albert), then the Cards will be in a pretty good position to have a good player fall to them.

Alternatively, if there's a run on WR for some reason between 10 and 14, it really increases the Cards' trade leverage.

In evaluating , what did Rivers do that was so extraordinary. When I saw him a couple times he didn't stand out that much.

I didn't see any Cavaliers games, so I don't know what you mean about Albert. But from what I've heard he anchored that line for two years after Ferguson left. He's also ALOT more muscular and athletic then Otah from all reports. He's worked out well, and is a disciplined player who is flexable as to positioning (G or T). That's pretty valuable. I'm sure he grades out higher than say Sears did last year, and Sears played well at OT for Tampa.

 

[Stout]

I don't know. In my projections, at least, Rivers was always going in the Top 15 picks. I've been predicting that he goes to the Saints or the Bengals.

If you want the Cards to get helped by having a player drop, you need to hope that Branden Albert keeps climbing boards for no reason, or that Aqib Talib gets picked up, or that someone above us takes Jeff Otah. You should especially hope that some team can't get a deal to move down and take a WR, so end up picking someone like Devin Thomas in the Top 15.

It depends on whom you want to fall down to us, but I think that if there's a run on DL (Dorsey, Long, Gholston, and Ellis are locks, but cross your fingers that someone gets swept up and takes Harvey or Merling) and/or OL (Long and Clady are, IMO locks, but I'm getting less sure about Williams, Otah, and Albert), then the Cards will be in a pretty good position to have a good player fall to them.

Alternatively, if there's a run on WR for some reason between 10 and 14, it really increases the Cards' trade leverage.

Excellent post.

 

[DaisyCutter]

In evaluating , what did Rivers do that was so extraordinary. When I saw him a couple times he didn't stand out that much.

I didn't see any Cavaliers games, so I don't know what you mean about Albert. But from what I've heard he anchored that line for two years after Ferguson left. He's also ALOT more muscular and athletic then Otah from all reports. He's worked out well, and is a disciplined player who is flexable as to positioning (G or T). That's pretty valuable. I'm sure he grades out higher than say Sears did last year, and Sears played well at OT for Tampa.

Rivers has consistently been rated among the Top 15 picks since the games were being played. More importantly than what he's done to rise is what he's done to fall out. He draws comparisons to Derrick Brooks and is the consensus best LB in the draft. He's also a great on-field leader, which increases his value to teams like New Orleans and especially Cincy.

Every draft report I've read on Albert says that he has good physical tools, but does not block tough in the run game, and probably isn't physical to hold up inside in the NFL. Bascially, he's Reggie Wells with a slightly higher ceiling. If he's good enough to be an LT in the NFL, why was he playing LG in college?

It's almost impossible for an interior lineman to "bust" unless there are severe injury problems. But I don't expect Albert to have much more impact than a guy like Mike McGlynn, who has many of the same attributes, but will cost 90% less and can be drafted in the 3rd round, if not on the second day.

Sears was drafted in the 2nd round. Tony Ugoh was drafted after him and not only performed better than Sears, but arguably outperformed the #5 overall pick in the draft. The difference between a top-shelf O-lineman and a middling one is vanishingly small, especially on the interior of the line. I don't have any reason to believe that Albert plays as physical as guys like Hutchinson and Alan Faneca. Before the pre-draft hype machine moved in, the book on Albert was that he was a great physical specimen that doesn't play as tough as he should.

There will be better players available. I say this as a guy who loves what the Buffalo Bills did with Jason Peters, but Peters was an undrafted free agent.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I don't know. In my projections, at least, Rivers was always going in the Top 15 picks. I've been predicting that he goes to the Saints or the Bengals.

If you want the Cards to get helped by having a player drop, you need to hope that Branden Albert keeps climbing boards for no reason, or that Aqib Talib gets picked up, or that someone above us takes Jeff Otah. You should especially hope that some team can't get a deal to move down and take a WR, so end up picking someone like Devin Thomas in the Top 15.

It depends on whom you want to fall down to us, but I think that if there's a run on DL (Dorsey, Long, Gholston, and Ellis are locks, but cross your fingers that someone gets swept up and takes Harvey or Merling) and/or OL (Long and Clady are, IMO locks, but I'm getting less sure about Williams, Otah, and Albert), then the Cards will be in a pretty good position to have a good player fall to them.

Alternatively, if there's a run on WR for some reason between 10 and 14, it really increases the Cards' trade leverage.

Excellent post.

Yep, IMO, there will be either a run of DL or CB's that will leave other spots open.

 

[DaisyCutter]

While looking for something else, I noticed that the Cards were 26th in the NFL last season in passes defensed. They were tied for 10th in the NFL in INTs (with 18), but that wasn't a consistent production. 5 of those INTs came from one player (Rolle) in 2 games (against Cincinnatti and St. Louis) and 4 more came from the linebacking corps (Dansby had 3 and Hayes had another 1).

This team needs an infusion of talent at the cornerback position. Depth looms as a large concern.

 

[Savage58]

Much like Dockett IMO, maybe better.

I agree, he'll tear it up anywhere you put him on the line, he will be dominant in the Sapp mold. He won't drop far, I see the saints or someone moving up for him if he isn't taken in the top 4.

Just imagine what he'd look like on the Patriots, geeeesh, someone pick him before they do His draft grade is WAY higher than any corners, I can't see him falling to #9 or #10 as some draft pundits project, he's the second or third best player in the draft imho.

 

[WildBB]

Rivers has consistently been rated among the Top 15 picks since the games were being played. More importantly than what he's done to rise is what he's done to fall out. He draws comparisons to Derrick Brooks and is the consensus best LB in the draft. He's also a great on-field leader, which increases his value to teams like New Orleans and especially Cincy.

Every draft report I've read on Albert says that he has good physical tools, but does not block tough in the run game, and probably isn't physical to hold up inside in the NFL. Bascially, he's Reggie Wells with a slightly higher ceiling. If he's good enough to be an LT in the NFL, why was he playing LG in college?

It's almost impossible for an interior lineman to "bust" unless there are severe injury problems. But I don't expect Albert to have much more impact than a guy like Mike McGlynn, who has many of the same attributes, but will cost 90% less and can be drafted in the 3rd round, if not on the second day.

Sears was drafted in the 2nd round. Tony Ugoh was drafted after him and not only performed better than Sears, but arguably outperformed the #5 overall pick in the draft. The difference between a top-shelf O-lineman and a middling one is vanishingly small, especially on the interior of the line. I don't have any reason to believe that Albert plays as physical as guys like Hutchinson and Alan Faneca. Before the pre-draft hype machine moved in, the book on Albert was that he was a great physical specimen that doesn't play as tough as he should.
There will be better players available. I say this as a guy who loves what the Buffalo Bills did with Jason Peters, but Peters was an undrafted free agent.

IMO, Rivers fed off the talent surrounding him at USC. Their front was dominating, and they're deep. He's a good player though. I just wasn't that impressed the two times I saw them. He didn't stand out. That USC team was physical up front, and thats what I saw.

Like I said , I didn't see any Cavaliers games last season. So from what I know of him, he played next to DeBrickashaw Ferguson for two years at G and he stayed there as far as I know. He did play some games at LT to fill in for injury last season. As far as him being more a finesse player, I'd be surprised by that assertion. He outgrades Sears from last season, who made the transition from OG to OT for the Bucks very well. I expect Albert to at least match or exceed his level which was pretty good. But I respect your evaluation even if you didn't see him play, because I didn't either.

Ugoh did perform good last season, but that has to do alot with the overall stability of the OL and coaching. But I give him props. He went to the perfect Offense.

 

[Matt L]

Not that he needed to but apparently he nailed it.

Includes stuff from Scott Wolf on Ellis and other USC guys.

http://www.insidesocal.com/usc/

Unlike past years, quite a few a players helped themselves at Pro Day. It might be because this senior class was mature and there were not any underclassmen participating.
Sedrick Ellis improved all of his combine performances, improving his vertical leap from 26 inches to 30. He dropped his 40 time from 5.3 to 5.0 and he did 36 reps on the bench press.
Keith Rivers ran two good 40 times and also had a 42-inch vertical leap. John David Booty completed several deep balls, his biggest question mark, to former UCLA receiver Freddie Mitchell and former USC wide receiver Jason Mitchell.
Other players, like Alex Morrow and Dale Thompson, also increased their stock.
One player who did not seem thrilled at the end of the workout was Terrell Thomas, who did not want to discuss his performance.

Any word on how Freddie Mitchell looked? Is he in playing shape? Can we sign him for the minimum?

 

[Savage58]

IMO, Rivers fed off the talent surrounding him at USC. Their front was dominating, and they're deep. He's a good player though. I just wasn't that impressed the two times I saw them. He didn't stand out. That USC team was physical up front, and thats what I saw.

I couldn't agree more, Rivers has bust written all over him imo.

What was his 40 time at his pro day? If he didn't reach the sup 4.5 range he has nothing going for him, IMO he will be the player that drops the farthest/longest, folks will be scratching their heads cuz he's from USC. He was the 3rd best LB on his team last year, Rey Maualuga was a stud and top 10 pick imo, and Cushing has speed to burn and can bring it, but has been nicked up, but was clearly better than Rivers when he was on the field.

As a former backer that is the position i watch regularly when watching a game, cuz the skills needed are masterful shedding blocks, scraping, attacking, hitting with attitude... mmm gets me pumped up!! Rivers hasn't shown he can rush the passer at all, has like 6 sacks over his career at USC and his speed is questionable. Not much of a killer instinct either imho.

If we picked him at all come draft day I will and proceed to VOMIT!

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I agree, he'll tear it up anywhere you put him on the line, he will be dominant in the Sapp mold. He won't drop far, I see the saints or someone moving up for him if he isn't taken in the top 4.

Just imagine what he'd look like on the Patriots, geeeesh, someone pick him before they do His draft grade is WAY higher than any corners, I can't see him falling to #9 or #10 as some draft pundits project, he's the second or third best player in the draft imho.

I don't think he goes at 4. I see him in the 8-10 range personally. Dorsey will be the 1st DL taken.

 

[DaisyCutter]

IMO, Rivers fed off the talent surrounding him at USC. Their front was dominating, and they're deep. He's a good player though. I just wasn't that impressed the two times I saw them. He didn't stand out. That USC team was physical up front, and thats what I saw.

Like I said , I didn't see any Cavaliers games last season. So from what I know of him, he played next to DeBrickashaw Ferguson for two years at G and he stayed there as far as I know. He did play some games at LT to fill in for injury last season. As far as him being more a finesse player, I'd be surprised by that assertion. He outgrades Sears from last season, who made the transition from OG to OT for the Bucks very well. I expect Albert to at least match or exceed his level which was pretty good. But I respect your evaluation even if you didn't see him play, because I didn't either.

Ugoh did perform good last season, but that has to do alot with the overall stability of the OL and coaching. But I give him props. He went to the perfect Offense.

Well, I'm not going to argue with you over Rivers. He had a high ankle sprain through much of 2007; maybe that explains why he didn't stand out for you. And his numbers don't jump out especially, but people said the same things about Lofa Tatupu.

As for Branden Albert. Don't take my word for it. Look at the draft reports:

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/branden-albert?id=660

Positives: Rare size and athleticism for the guard position. ... Good initial quickness. ... Can get to and block effectively at the second level. ... Flashes violence in his initial hand punch. ... Good recoil and settle in pass protection. ... Massive player who can absorb the bull rush and anchor effectively. ... When he plays with leverage can be a very effective drive blocker. ... Ascending prospect who flashed foot quickness and balance in two starts at left tackle in 2007.

Negatives: A bit top-heavy. ... Can struggle against lesser players when he tires and plays with too high of a pad level. ... Good quickness to generate initial block, but too often doesn't sustain long enough. ... Flashes nastiness, but needs to play with more consistency. ... Marginal lateral quickness to pull.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/branden-albert?id=660

Has experience playing on the edge at left tackle, but is more suited to play in-line at guard, and sometimes has problems containing quicker pass rushers off the edge and does tire late in games (needs to improve his overall stamina, but showed better playing tempo as a junior, dropping his weight from 340 to 315 pounds)...Will sometimes lunge at defenders rather than wait for the action to come to him...Struggles to maintain body control coming off the snap, as his feet tend to get ahead of him, allowing defenders to slip past and pressure the pocket...When he gets too tall in his pads, he loses his adequate lateral range and looks sluggish in attempts to change direction...Has a strong hand punch, but needs to use it with more consistency...Could do a better job playing with true aggression and too often tries to finesse rather than maul.

Compares To: MAURICE WILLIAMS-Jacksonville-Built more like an offensive tackle, Albert is surprisingly effective sinking his weight and firing off the snap. He lacks the change-of\-direction agility to be isolated on the outside as a tackle, but does show good straight-line movement skills to widen and sustain rush lanes. He works well with his center on combo blocks and has a strong punch to shock and jolt. He has worked hard to improve his conditioning, going from 340 to 315 pounds over the last two years, but he needs to improve his stamina. He tired late in games, getting into trouble with penalties or overextending. With a very weak offensive guard crop, he could sneak to the top of this position with solid postseason workouts.

http://www.thehuddlereport.com/ppSD/protected/archive/2008DRAFT/2008profiles/Branden.Albert.htm

[FONT=Verdana,sans-serif] STRENGTHS [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana,sans-serif] Branden is a massive, athletically talented offensive lineman. He is strong and powerful; his quickness for a person his size is remarkable. Branden shows good quickness out of his stance as well as a competitive streak when he is challenged. Branden has the ability to be an excellent left guard at the next level. He is quick and strong enough to handle a bull rush and also does a solid job in pass protection. [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana,sans-serif]

NEEDS TO IMPROVE[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana,sans-serif] As with all offensive linemen in a draft, Branden will have to learn to be more consistent in using his techniques. Because he is so tall, he can get a little lazy off the snap, play high and lose leverage. At the college level this is not a problem, but he will learn that at the pro level, this will not do. Branden also does not seem to have the lateral agility to play tackle, but it is possible that he could play RT at the next level in a pinch. The truth is that left guard will be his impact position and RT might be a back up alternative, but will not be his strength. [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana,sans-serif]

TALENT BOARD ROUND 1[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana,sans-serif] Branden might not be picked in the first round, but he should be. I guess as he works out, teams will start to notice how big and athletic this kid is. It was smart of him to come out early because the challenges were not at the college level for this kid and he would have gotten into some bad habits because he is a lot better than most of the opposing players. In the NFL, the challenge will be there for him to get better and he will. He looks like a good smart kid, but does have a tendency to play down to the level of his opponent. The truth is, in this draft, I believe that Branden might be the third best offensive lineman. Because he is a guard and not a tackle, he might drop a round, but in my opinion, that would be a big mistake. To me, the left guard position is almost as important in pass blocking as the left tackle position. Look at the Seattle Seahawks -- when they let their LG Steve Hutchinson go in free agency, they still kept the other linemen. However, after Steve was let go, they had no one to replace him and the Seahawks have struggled in the passing game ever since. Branden is under the radar, but I bet after the combine, he will jump up most team’s charts because, as I said, a good Left guard is as hard to find as a good left tackle and this kid blocks as well in the passing game as he blocks for the running game. Believe me, you jump on a kid like this as soon as you can in a draft. Don’t be surprised if he is drafted in the first round. In fact, be very happy your team was smart enough to do it.[/FONT]

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?id=12197

Strengths: Is tall and thickly built. Also has long arms and big hands. Shows a quick first, takes proper angles to assignments and gets into position quickly. Plays with a mean streak and drives legs once locked onto the defender. Has very good initial quickness for his size. Shows above-average range and can pull around the edge. Shows smooth footwork getting into pass sets and shuffles feet to stay in front of defenders. Gets adequate hand placement and extends arms once in position. Keeps head up, shows good awareness and can adjust to line stunts as well as blitzes. Never missed a game because of an injury and is durable.

Weaknesses: Does not have overwhelming power and doesn't knock many defenders back with initial punch. Plays too high at times and is going to have problems driving two-gap defenders off the ball. Runs well on a straight line but has some trouble hitting the moving target. Doesn't get great knee bend in pass sets and can get pushed back into the pocket. Appears to take plays off at times and may lack ideal endurance at this point.

Overall: Albert started all 37 of Virginia's games during his three-year career (2005-07), including two at offensive tackle in 2007. He allowed just one sack and received an All-ACC honorable mention in 2006. He was a first-team All-ACC selection in '07. Bottom line: Albert needs to improve his power at the point of attack and learn to get under defenders' pads. He also is a bit inconsistent when it comes to hitting the moving target as a second level run blocker. However, he is a massive guard with very good short-area quickness and tenacity. He could possibly move to ROT in the NFL but we think he fits best inside at guard, where he should quickly develop into an upper-echelon starter. He could be the top interior offensive lineman selected in 2008 draft no later than the second round.

And finally, TSN's evaluation of him:

3rd Round

NFL Comparison: Chester Pitts
Strengths: Is massive. Phyiscally dominates opponents with great natural strength. Has some experience at left tackle, and shows the footwork and athleticism to play there at the next level.
Weaknesses: Is not a fiery competitor. Does not fire off the snap against the run; is more of a stand, grab and catch blocker who struggles to get movement on in-line blocks. Is an upright pass blocker who will get destroyed by defensive tackles in the NFL if he does not play with a better base.
Bottom Line: Albert has first-round talent but hasn't produced at that level. Although he's huge, his soft-bodied physique and inconsistent technique pose concerns about his committment to the game. If he competes harder, Albert should become a solid NFL guard and perhaps an offensive tackle.

Maybe because he came out as a junior, scouts are just getting a good look at him and that's why his stock is soaring. If we were choosing in the 20s, I'd be fine with this pick. But he sounds a lot like a player we already have (and got in the 6th round) in Reggie Wells. People here (but not me) HATE Reggie Wells. Why do we want to pay more for a guy just like him? What are we paying Russ Grimm all that money for if not to develop the talent already on the team?

The other concern for me is that, as I've already said a few times, that the problem with this team isn't the offense. The problem with this team is the defense. If we draft an OL in the first round, that's one less defensive player. We're committed to drafting an RB in this draft. That's another defensive prospect unavailable to us. We only have 7 picks. Many here want to get a WR, also. I think we need more talent and depth on the defensive side of the ball.

Branden Albert doesn't fit into that equation unless the Cards swing a deal where they drop to the early 20s and pick up a 2nd round pick in the process. IMO.

 

[DaisyCutter]

Which isn't to say that I don't like Branden Albert as a prospect, or that I think he's going to bust. None of that. I think that he'll develop into a nice player.

I don't think he's going to be Steve Hutchinson or Alan Faneca, and if you don't think he's going to develop into a starter of that level, I don't think you pull the trigger at 16 overall. Especially when you don't have an established need for an upgrade at LT.

If you want to talk about Mike McGlynn in the 3rd or 4th? That's something that I'd be interested in:

[FONT=Verdana,sans-serif] TALENT BOARD ROUND 1[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana,sans-serif] If you want a left tackle and you draft Mike, he will do the job; however, I think his impact position would be as a center. His ability to quick slide and help out a guard along with his strength, quickness out of his stance and the ability to defeat a bull rush makes him potentially the best pure center in this draft. One that could play against any defensive system. For Dave Weinstadt to suggest that Jeff Otah is the best offensive lineman he has ever coached and not include Mike in that statement is an insult to Mike and shows you Dave Weinstadt’s true character and abilities to coach. Mike could play RT or any one of the guard positions, but when I see leadership qualities like Mike’s, I want that at my center position. Mike will be a Pro Bowl lineman and might be the type of player that makes the Pro Bowl at more than one position. He has that type of ability. He just knows how to play football. It is in his blood and I suspect that before this draft even gets started, he will move quickly up the boards. All some team has to do is go back to the tape and review all the years this kid played on the offensive line. Mike is my definition of a sleeper: a player hiding right in plain sight who plays in a big program, but no one seems to notice because they are always trying to look at someone else. I’m calling him Mike (Sleeper) McGlynn because he is the definition of a sleeper draft pick.[/FONT]

 

[Savage58]

I don't think he goes at 4. I see him in the 8-10 range personally. Dorsey will be the 1st DL taken.

Ya I agree Dorsey is the #1 DL in this draft, I think Dorsey is the #1 talent in the draft period. Ellis is a nice consollation prize though for teams looking for an up tempo DL early this year.

I never said he'd go at #4 btw, the raiders would prefer a DE to a DT imo, with Sands and Kelly at DT they're solid there IMHO, Goulston or C. Long would fit in great on their DL, i think the Raiders will pick a DE at #4.

At #5 the Chiefs need an OL probably worse than we did last year, they have to take an OL imo, they need to trade down the most out of any team in the draft, and I think New Orleans is the team that needs a DT the most(Ellis) That trade makes a ton of sense, but I'm not a GM , if I was NO GM I'd be on the phone to KC if Ellis is still available, he might not be, with Dorsey and Ellis going in the top 3 possibly.