Seems PP took some offense to Sherman's outburst as well….

[crisper57]

So where does the racial attachment come from Richard?

His own internalization.

 

[MigratingOsprey]

So where does the racial attachment come from Richard?

This is probably better suited for P&R if you want to go through the usage of "thug" in modern society ......... I don't fully agree with him, but I'm also a pasty guy who would never be on the other side of that particular word

However, using a standard dictionary reference and saying it couldn't be racial isn't exactly honest either .......... Spade and Spook didn't turn up anything - Coon did though, either a reference back to Raccoon or "usually offensive: Black" ............ all 3 have had racial meanings in their history, even if not in the dictionary

 

[BigRedRage]

So where does the racial attachment come from Richard?

Similar to saying a black man speaks very well, its taken as a backhanded comment. Going right to thug, when he did nothing thug like he feels is using the word just because he is black. I dont think his feeling is far off base regardless of my beliefs on the subject.

 

[Russ Smith]

Instead of fighting Crabtree, he said he'd "do him in the media."

Really dude? That's so freaking soft. And Sherman would probably whoop Crabtree in an actual fight.

And man, do I hate Crabtree.

It was at a CHARITY EVENT! Come on would it really make him less of a studio gangster to get in a fight at a charity event? Sherman was apparently intelligent enough to try and bury the hatchet, instead Crabtree tried to start a fight.

By do him in the media I suspect he meant rather than a physical confrontation I'm just going to expose this guy for what he really is.

 

[crisper57]

I just don't like that he is trying to cover the entire word under the veil of racism. Now if someone uses it to describe the behavior of someone from another race, it can just be dismissed as racism. Now the focus goes on the comment instead of the behavior that preceded it.


Sherman is not a thug. He is brash and classless at times. He is also a Stanford alum that came from a school with less than a 50% grad rate. Hardly thuggish behavior.

 

[Southpaw]

It was at a CHARITY EVENT! Come on would it really make him less of a studio gangster to get in a fight at a charity event? Sherman was apparently intelligent enough to try and bury the hatchet, instead Crabtree tried to start a fight.

By do him in the media I suspect he meant rather than a physical confrontation I'm just going to expose this guy for what he really is.

You probably don't know any of that unless you were there at the event and was standing right next to them.

 

[Russ Smith]

You probably don't know any of that unless you were there at the event and was standing right next to them.

Of course not but I don't see anybody else at that event stepping up and calling Sherman a liar or defending Crabtree. We have one version of the story and nobody else has contradicted it.

Sherman told the truth about what he said to Crabtree on the field, I see no reason to assume he's lying about why he doesn't like Crabtree.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Similar to saying a black man speaks very well, its taken as a backhanded comment. Going right to thug, when he did nothing thug like he feels is using the word just because he is black. I dont think his feeling is far off base regardless of my beliefs on the subject.

bingo.

 

[Darkside]

They just had a whole conversation about the word "thug" on CNN with Charles Barkley, who said thug has become another code word for the N word. He did have--what I consider--an amusing anecdote about the Sherman thing though. He said when you're the prom queen all the ugly chicks hate you.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Bill Romanowski was a thug. Richie Incognito is a thug.

I agree with this, but the overwhelming majority of stories weren't portraying them as "thugs" but as "bullies"...especially Incognito. that seems like a difference in the way all of these people were talked about.

 

[Southpaw]

Sherman told the truth about what he said to Crabtree on the field, I see no reason to assume he's lying about why he doesn't like Crabtree.

It's called damage control by CYA technique. The only one talking is Sherman.

"The lady doth protest too much, methinks" - Will Shakespeare

 

[Southpaw]

They just had a whole conversation about the word "thug" on CNN with Charles Barkley, who said thug has become another code word for the N word. He did have--what I consider--an amusing anecdote about the Sherman thing though. He said when you're the prom queen all the ugly chicks hate you.

Dissecting what Barkley said. A culture took a word and use it as a synonym for "N****r". So if another culture uses that recently adopted word it is racist.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Erin Andrews walks up to the driver window and puts a microphone in your face and asks you how you feel about just getting cut off, odds are you're going to say something then you might not say 20 minutes later.

If Erin Andrews walked up to my window, nobody would be getting "cut off". And I probably would say something different 20 minutes, I mean 2 minutes, later.

either that or I'd be like Kramer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDWU2SR27g4

 

[Russ Smith]

It's called damage control by CYA technique. The only one talking is Sherman.

of course he is, why would anybody talk to Crabtree his team lost?

 

[Russ Smith]

If Erin Andrews walked up to my window, nobody would be getting "cut off". And I probably would say something different 20 minutes, I mean 2 minutes, later.

either that or I'd be like Kramer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDWU2SR27g4

I actually find her annoying but it's mainly the voice, she is good looking.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I actually find her annoying but it's mainly the voice, she is good looking.

I actually saw her close up when she worked at ESPN. My wife got me floor seats for the OSU/Mich bball game when Oden and Conley were at OSU. Andrews was working the game and standing about 10 feet away from me most of the time. She is very pretty but she's also a quite a bit bow-legged. Not that there's anything wrong with that .

Idiot me, I spent more time talking the ref, Ted Valentine, and not one word to Andrews .

 

[crisper57]

When she covered the College WS, she asked to interview my family while my brother was playing. Stood by her for 2 innings. Sweetest person ever!

 

[crisper57]

I agree with this, but the overwhelming majority of stories weren't portraying them as "thugs" but as "bullies"...especially Incognito. that seems like a difference in the way all of these people were talked about.

I guess that is true. I always though a thug was just a bully who took the aggression to a different level. A step above. But I get the semantics argument. Totally valid.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I guess that is true. I always though a thug was just a bully who took the aggression to a different level. A step above. But I get the semantics argument. Totally valid.

i actually hadn't even thought of this before you mentioned it, but now it just seems a little more glaring to me this difference in how the three players were described.

I mean, especially because what Incognito and Romo did was MUCH worse then what Sherman did and got labeled with the softer moniker. it's totally a semantic argument, but like you said, i think a valid one.