Seindlein done for the year

[Stout]

Because he's proved he can win with a good QB. But I also think he needs to fire Grimm & Miller, so he's not without warts. I will never buy that Warner was the OC, QB & coach all in one like many here think. I would give him 1 more year...he was 4-0 before his best QB & top 2 RBs went down for most of the season.

Who hired Ray Horton? I bet Wiz had no say in the talent that's been drafted on that side of the ball, that's the best in the history of its franchise.

How great was Bellicheat before he lucked into Tom Brady?

Did Andy Reid all of a sudden become a stupid coach?

IMO talent & coaching go hand in hand.

So it takes a great QB to have success? Neil O'Donnell disagrees with you. So does Trent Dilfer, for crying out loud. Andy Reid transitioned from a top QB to another successful QB, before he lost the team, if you'll recall. All he has to do is find a decent QB, which he hasn't done (and please, don't tout Kolb). He did have a majority hand in hiring Horton, so that's a plus.

Grimm and Miller might go, but KW needs to be FORCED to hire an OC who he won't simply dominate, otherwise we'll have the same crap as we have now. KW is NOT as smart as he thinks he is. And how well will it work out if he's forced to hire a strong OC, and is forced to defer to him? Not very.

Three straight seasons with 6 game losing streaks, with the third season sitting at 7. THERE IS NO DEFENDING THIS. That would never, ever buy a coach another season, outside of Cardinal futility land.

He did turn around a defense that's probably the best in franchise history after mediocre results at best before last year. But I'm sure everyone will put that all on Horton.

I'm sorry, I didn't realize KW was a defensive coach. About the only credit I would give KW for the defense is hiring the right coach and allowing the team to get the right talent on D.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Levi Brown do not possess the prerequisite skills to play OG.

Says you.

 

[Jetstream Green]

This.

And it is never good to lose your captain and chief line protection caller when you have a Rookie at QB, LT, & RT. I expect the Jets game to be a train wreck.

this is what scares me losing your starting center. Oh well, here we go

 

[Mulli]

So it takes a great QB to have success? Neil O'Donnell disagrees with you. So does Trent Dilfer, for crying out loud. Andy Reid transitioned from a top QB to another successful QB, before he lost the team, if you'll recall. All he has to do is find a decent QB, which he hasn't done (and please, don't tout Kolb). He did have a majority hand in hiring Horton, so that's a plus.

Grimm and Miller might go, but KW needs to be FORCED to hire an OC who he won't simply dominate, otherwise we'll have the same crap as we have now. KW is NOT as smart as he thinks he is. And how well will it work out if he's forced to hire a strong OC, and is forced to defer to him? Not very.

Three straight seasons with 6 game losing streaks, with the third season sitting at 7. THERE IS NO DEFENDING THIS. That would never, ever buy a coach another season, outside of Cardinal futility land.



I'm sorry, I didn't realize KW was a defensive coach. About the only credit I would give KW for the defense is hiring the right coach and allowing the team to get the right talent on D.

In today's nfl, you need someone FAR better than Dilfer and Neil O'Whatever. And you know it!

 

[Goldfield]

One can only wish that the following would happen for a 4-7 train wreck of a team.

Potter
Kelemete
Snyder
Colledge
Massie

That's the line I would like to see out there. Instead we are going to send a 26 yr old, career practice squad, camp fodder, player out there. Ridiculous. Moxie in full effect.

This is exactly what they need to do. No reason not to play the rookies at this point. Let's see what we got.

 

[Goldfield]

Because he's proved he can win with a good QB. But I also think he needs to fire Grimm & Miller, so he's not without warts. I will never buy that Warner was the OC, QB & coach all in one like many here think. I would give him 1 more year...he was 4-0 before his best QB & top 2 RBs went down for most of the season.

Who hired Ray Horton? I bet Wiz had no say in the talent that's been drafted on that side of the ball, that's the best in the history of its franchise.

How great was Bellicheat before he lucked into Tom Brady?

Did Andy Reid all of a sudden become a stupid coach?

IMO talent & coaching go hand in hand.

I agree with this 100%.

 

[Stout]

In today's nfl, you need someone FAR better than Dilfer and Neil O'Whatever. And you know it!

I was just debunking the idea that KW is a good coach and should get the benefit of the doubt, after being historically bad, because he hasn't had a good QB. Good coaches break losing streaks in one fashion or another. Great coaches pull vets off the scrap heap or make do with young QBs. Our coach can't even find a warm corpse at the position.

He has no excuses at this point for the losing streaks we've suffered the last few years. None. His time is finished, and I don't see how anyone can argue against that.

 

[Mulli]

I was just debunking the idea that KW is a good coach and should get the benefit of the doubt, after being historically bad, because he hasn't had a good QB. Good coaches break losing streaks in one fashion or another. Great coaches pull vets off the scrap heap or make do with young QBs. Our coach can't even find a warm corpse at the position.

He has no excuses at this point for the losing streaks we've suffered the last few years. None. His time is finished, and I don't see how anyone can argue against that.

I agree. Hey-0!!

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Says you.

Maybe yes, maybe no.... however, one thing is certain, unlike "Big", he has never played the position.

 

[john h]

The hits just keep coming
Torn MCL

Better now than next year.

This seems to be the worst year for QB injuries that I can every recall. I am talking NFL wide. Makes you realize what a pounding these guys take on a regular basis. I think Warner was wise to retire. He is a hall of fame QB with a ring and his sense and body intact. Also has the same wife he started with and is a popular person and a generous person. How lucky we were to have had him.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

this is what scares me losing your starting center. Oh well, here we go

This is the same guy that "captained" the worst offensive line in the league, and the same "captain" that helped out all those QB's that have been so effective.

 

[Jetstream Green]

This is the same guy that "captained" the worst offensive line in the league, and the same "captain" that helped out all those QB's that have been so effective.

Ol' Sendy can call the right blocking scheme but if you cannot block it does not help much but imagine this, now it could get worse. Which will be even more scary without him. Guys who have had a problem blocking and now will be also out of position...yikes. It is not the tackles who bother me that much anymore, it is our craptastic free agent guards.

BTW, wasn't he the same captain of the OL when we were winning all those games in 2008...hmmm

 

[kerouac9]

This is the same guy that "captained" the worst offensive line in the league, and the same "captain" that helped out all those QB's that have been so effective.

Wow. Same things that people like you were saying when Levi Brown went on the DL. :shocked:

 

[PJ1]

Without him," Colledge said, "the wheels just might come off."

Great losing attitude. We sure know how to pick them.

 

[Duckjake]

This is the same guy that "captained" the worst offensive line in the league, and the same "captain" that helped out all those QB's that have been so effective.

Sendlein was also the starting Center in the Super Bowl and in 2009 when the Cards repeated as NFC West Champions.

I'm getting tired of the excuses. "We have rookies and new guys and so and so should be a Guard etc... so poor pitiful us".

Mike Gandy, Reggie Wells, Lyle Sendlein, Deuce Lutui, and Levi Brown with Jeremy Bridges as the primary backup blocked for the most successful Cardinal Offense since the 1970's. Posters here have relentlessly bashed every one of them since except Gandy who left before ASFN could dog pile on him.

So I'm not going to buy into Potter and Massie and OhrenbergerKing, and Levi being hurt, as an excuse for the Cards ridiculously inept offense.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Wow. Same things that people like you were saying when Levi Brown went on the DL. :shocked:

My opinion of a player rarely changes just because his name is in the headlines.

It is no secret that I do not like Levi Brown, and Lyle Sendlein at their respective positions, and have stayed consistent about that regardless.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Mike Gandy, Reggie Wells, Lyle Sendlein, Deuce Lutui, and Levi Brown with Jeremy Bridges as the primary backup blocked for the most successful Cardinal Offense since the 1970's. Posters here have relentlessly bashed every one of them since except Gandy who left before ASFN could dog pile on him.

Cause those players NEVER gave us any reason to doubt them right ?

And Wells, and Lutui went on to be successful once they left the Cardinals, right ? They showed us wrong right ?

 

[Duckjake]

Cause those players NEVER gave us any reason to doubt them right ?

And Wells, and Lutui went on to be successful once they left the Cardinals, right ? They showed us wrong right ?

You actually help make my point with those sentences. Despite the fact that none of them were any good the Cards still went to the Super Bowl and repeated as NFC West champs and put 400 yards on the Steelers and 500 yards on the Packers. That's the point. You don't have to have 5 ten time all-pros on your line to win. You can even win with 5 bums on the offensive line. The Cards did the latter twice.

 

[Mulli]

Sendlein was also the starting Center in the Super Bowl and in 2009 when the Cards repeated as NFC West Champions.

I'm getting tired of the excuses. "We have rookies and new guys and so and so should be a Guard etc... so poor pitiful us".

Mike Gandy, Reggie Wells, Lyle Sendlein, Deuce Lutui, and Levi Brown with Jeremy Bridges as the primary backup blocked for the most successful Cardinal Offense since the 1970's. Posters here have relentlessly bashed every one of them since except Gandy who left before ASFN could dog pile on him.

So I'm not going to buy into Potter and Massie and OhrenbergerKing, and Levi being hurt, as an excuse for the Cards ridiculously inept offense.

Can't really argue with that anymore.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

You actually help make my point with those sentences. Despite the fact that none of them were any good the Cards still went to the Super Bowl and repeated as NFC West champs and put 400 yards on the Steelers and 500 yards on the Packers. That's the point. You don't have to have 5 ten time all-pros on your line to win. You can even win with 5 bums on the offensive line. The Cards did the latter twice.

Agreed. But you need a HOF QB to pull it off.

They don't grow on trees.

And when it comes to HOF QB's, if your team has one, you really don't need a good head coach either.

Thus, the logic I have read lately where, "If you give Whiz a good offensive line, and HOF QB" then his system would work is flawed.

Any system works when you have those two things. Jeff Fischer has neither can figures out ways to win. Whiz.....well, the results speak for themselves.

 

[kerouac9]

My opinion of a player rarely changes just because his name is in the headlines.

It is no secret that I do not like Levi Brown, and Lyle Sendlein at their respective positions, and have stayed consistent about that regardless.

And that's all well and good, but the comment that ANYONE other than Levi Brown/Lyle Sendlein would be superior to those guys is probably mistaken. We all saw what a huge downgrade D'Anthony Batiste was.

Even if you think that Sendlein was a below-average player, that doesn't mean that the guy behind him on the depth chart is worse.

The hidden message is that if Senio Kelemete is inactive again this Sunday, he's probably not making the roster in 2013, and the evaluations of Chopper, Snakester, and others are likely mistaken.

 

[Chopper0080]

And that's all well and good, but the comment that ANYONE other than Levi Brown/Lyle Sendlein would be superior to those guys is probably mistaken. We all saw what a huge downgrade D'Anthony Batiste was.

Even if you think that Sendlein was a below-average player, that doesn't mean that the guy behind him on the depth chart is worse.

The hidden message is that if Senio Kelemete is inactive again this Sunday, he's probably not making the roster in 2013, and the evaluations of Chopper, Snakester, and others are likely mistaken.

I don't believe it means it is a given, however I do think it means he is way more of a project than what most thought he was going to be. I would be shicked if he is to be honest due to the Cardinals signing that OC from the Ravens practice squad. Why sign an OC if you don't plan on having him available on gameday.

 

[kerouac9]

I don't believe it means it is a given, however I do think it means he is way more of a project than what most thought he was going to be. I would be shicked if he is to be honest due to the Cardinals signing that OC from the Ravens practice squad. Why sign an OC if you don't plan on having him available on gameday.

Ohrnberger was the swing OC/OG. You sign an OC because you can have him inactive but practicing while he gets to know the system.

The Cards are now down a guard; if Kelemete isn't the next man up, that's a warning sign. Urban said as much on twitter this week.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

And that's all well and good, but the comment that ANYONE other than Levi Brown/Lyle Sendlein would be superior to those guys is probably mistaken. We all saw what a huge downgrade D'Anthony Batiste was.

Even if you think that Sendlein was a below-average player, that doesn't mean that the guy behind him on the depth chart is worse.

The hidden message is that if Senio Kelemete is inactive again this Sunday, he's probably not making the roster in 2013, and the evaluations of Chopper, Snakester, and others are likely mistaken.

Agreed on two points.

1. I already know Sendlein's replacement is worse then he is, cause Ohrnberger is the worst offensive lineman I have seen since Anthony Clement

2. If Kelemete is inactive next game, then he is gone.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Agreed on two points.

1. I already know Sendlein's replacement is worse then he is, cause Ohrnberger is the worst offensive lineman I have seen since Anthony Clement

2. If Kelemete is inactive next game, then he is gone.

He's a cheap rookie. Unless he's a complete mess he'll be back.