Senior Bowl!

OP
OP
joeshmo

joeshmo

Kangol Hat Aficionado
Joined
Feb 23, 2004
Posts
17,247
Reaction score
1
That worries me a little bit. Fast steps are great but if that's all you got good left tackles will just kick out and meet you at the intersection point and guide you around the quarterback.

The key is if he is teachable and willing to learn. A quick step coupled with an inside move can make for a devastating pass rusher. If he can keep those tackles guessing he could be a great pick.

He does have other moves. Wrote about an inside move he showed in my day 1 practice report. http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/showpost.php?p=1933204&postcount=27

I guess I should have been more clear in my day 2 report. What I was trying to get at with my day two report on him is that he needs to be more decisive with what he wants to do.
 

D-Dogg

A Whole New World
Supporting Member
Joined
Sep 10, 2003
Posts
44,994
Reaction score
1,068
Location
In The End Zone
It Mack - 2nd rounder status is being solidified so far over the last two days. Not awesome but doesnt make mistakes either.

You mean first round. 32nd pick overall, by the Arizona Cardinals.

:D
 

Russ Smith

The Original Whizzinator
Supporting Member
Joined
May 14, 2002
Posts
88,155
Reaction score
39,752
Rey Maualuga apparently looked slow to react and out of shape.

What they said last night when I saw was that Maualuga is an inside LB but they were asking him to practice outside so he was struggling a bit with that while Cushing looked great. But I didn't see the full thing so if he's out of shape I didn't hear that.

Agree on Derrick Williams he's on my list for the Cards as a KR guy who would eventually grow into a backup WR as he learns.
 

perivolaki

perivolaki
Joined
Apr 19, 2004
Posts
943
Reaction score
95
Location
Surprise
He does have other moves. Wrote about an inside move he showed in my day 1 practice report. http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/showpost.php?p=1933204&postcount=27

I guess I should have been more clear in my day 2 report. What I was trying to get at with my day two report on him is that he needs to be more decisive with what he wants to do.

Don't worry about it's always good to get more information. I've heard a lot about this kid and he seems like a good one. Probably not going to be there when we pick though.
 

JeffGollin

ASFN Icon
Joined
May 14, 2002
Posts
20,472
Reaction score
3,056
Location
Holmdel, NJ
Things are So-o-o Weird Due to the Super Bowl Run...

So this is what getting to the Super Bowl is like...

By now during a typical offseason, I'd be all over the Senior Bowl - recapping each practice and laying out the draft edition for the BRS.

Foggediboudit! This is the Super Bowl. The Draft will just have to wait.

Although I would make one observation: There must be at least 6 and closer to 12 big, physical wide receivers worthy of first round consideration - the more who go early, the more players at other positions who may be available at #31 or #32.

One other thing - The selection of athletic "freaks" like DRC and Calais Campbell this past season might set the tone for Cardinal in the near future (barring any major defections that would create a desperate position need). Regardles of who we draft at whatever position - one thing we might want to place a higher priority on is "athletic dominance" (because our roster is solid enough for us to wait all or part of a year or two for young talent to develop). I'd like to see us more athletic at FS and TE. And it would be hard to overlook at top-flight center, RB or OT if the right guy dropped to us.
 

hafey

Registered
Joined
May 13, 2002
Posts
731
Reaction score
0
I was thinking about the same thing with regard to the "athletic freaks," Joe. It seems as though the Cardinals have lately drafted more than a couple guys with the physical skills to be very good at their position even if they needed coaching and experience to use those physical gifts. Brandon Keith comes to mind as well.
 
OP
OP
joeshmo

joeshmo

Kangol Hat Aficionado
Joined
Feb 23, 2004
Posts
17,247
Reaction score
1
I was thinking about the same thing with regard to the "athletic freaks," Joe. It seems as though the Cardinals have lately drafted more than a couple guys with the physical skills to be very good at their position even if they needed coaching and experience to use those physical gifts. Brandon Keith comes to mind as well.

But they also picked guys like Doucet, Iwebema, Harrington, Buster Davis, Hightower, and so on who while could be good football players no one will call a physical freak.

Then I was thinking maybe they just like taking athletic freaks the first couple of rounds. But Levi Brown would buck that trend as would Branch(although Branch is a freak in terms of size).

I dont think they pick guys based on freakatudeness(thats right I just made my own word).
 

cardsfanmd

ASFN Icon
Joined
Jan 16, 2007
Posts
13,966
Reaction score
4,156
Location
annapolis, md
Saw a report today about all three Baltimore linebackers, Suggs, Lewis and Scott being free agents and that at best the Ravens would only be able to keep two. They can franchise one with Scott the most likely to leave in F.A.
I have been pimping this guy for years. I'd LOVE to have a chance to get him and I think he can be had at a fair price. Very intelligent, hardworking guy who is a hitter and a leader. Can play the run as well as the pass and always has his head on a swivel.
 

Brewster10

Registered
Joined
Sep 24, 2006
Posts
852
Reaction score
0
It was weird the first 15 minutes was just a re-airing of the DL vs OL drills from the day before for the North practice. It was a full pads practice the rest of the day though.

As for the rest -

Unger - continues to show that he needs to get stronger, but shows good feet and hands.

Raji - Maybe Unger is at a disadvantage though becasue Raji is dominating everyone with bull rush moves and quick step moves. Showed good feet on the bags for his size.

Loadholt - actually looked very good. Good arm extension to keep the defenders off of him and once he did that he rpetty much had his way.

Fulton - Had a much better day then the day before. Not awesome but looked at least like he belonged today.

Mack - 2nd rounder status is being solidified so far over the last two days. Not awesome but doesnt make mistakes either.

English - fastest first step out of everyone there including WR's and DB's. Once he gets the edge and he did most of the time the OT was done. But when he tries to switch it up he spent way to much time trying to decide what he wanted to do. On one play he actually spent a good full second just head faking. Could have shown a little better feet in the bags drill as well. But he did keep his head up the whole time while other DL had troubles looking down to see where there feet were.

Pettigrew - got to show his blocking today and was completely dominate.

Sintim - Seemed kind of lost a little bit. Showed pretty good strength and feet though. Might not work in a 4-3 where he would have to cover more then he would in the 3-4. Strong at the point of attack and holding up the blocker to contain the edge in blocking drills.

The FB's - I really like the two kids there for the North side. Both seem like old school FB throwbacks.

The LB's as a whole were hit and miss. Solid but nothing stood out.

Derrick Williams continues to raise his stock. We know he is fast bu his body control and hands are better then I thought he had. Much more physical as well.

Finally got a look at the North RB's. Sheets might be making a name for himself here. Super fast game speed.

Thats all that caught my eye. Although I am pissed at the NFL network becuase they are not set up to show the South practices so I have no clue what the south side is doing besides some of the second had reports. Would like to see Oher, Cushing, James Davis, Alph Smith, Rashad Jennings, Clay Matthews, Rey Maualuga, Caldwell, Luigs, Wood, Peria Jerry do some work first hand.

At this point in time my top 3 performers for the north squad so far are Raji, Pettigrew, and Derrick Williams. Honorable mentions to Sheets, English, and King.

Although some rumblings I can gather from the recap show and some other shows on sirius radio -

Hermand Johnsons stock is plummeting. Almost 390 pounds and in practice he can barely even move his feet. Might be the biggest slider there.

Rey Maualuga apparently looked slow to react and out of shape.

Everything Ive read says Robiskie has been better than Williams at WR.
 
OP
OP
joeshmo

joeshmo

Kangol Hat Aficionado
Joined
Feb 23, 2004
Posts
17,247
Reaction score
1
Everything Ive read says Robiskie has been better than Williams at WR.

He did look good, made some hard catches. But he looked slow and no agility going in and out of his breaks, which ment the DB's where all over him when ever he made a catch. Its the reason why his catches looked so good because he did it with a DB in his face but at the same time it also showed he lacks ability to get seperation. So the catches he was making in these practices wont translate to the NFL. If pro DB's were all over him in these practices like the rookie CB's were he wouldnt have a single catch.
 
OP
OP
joeshmo

joeshmo

Kangol Hat Aficionado
Joined
Feb 23, 2004
Posts
17,247
Reaction score
1
Saw a report today about all three Baltimore linebackers, Suggs, Lewis and Scott being free agents and that at best the Ravens would only be able to keep two. They can franchise one with Scott the most likely to leave in F.A.

The most likely to not get the franchise tag is Suggs. It would cost over 10 mill to franchise him.

But I would take any three of them.
 

Russ Smith

The Original Whizzinator
Supporting Member
Joined
May 14, 2002
Posts
88,155
Reaction score
39,752
He did look good, made some hard catches. But he looked slow and no agility going in and out of his breaks, which ment the DB's where all over him when ever he made a catch. Its the reason why his catches looked so good because he did it with a DB in his face but at the same time it also showed he lacks ability to get seperation. So the catches he was making in these practices wont translate to the NFL. If pro DB's were all over him in these practices like the rookie CB's were he wouldnt have a single catch.

Funny you say that. Over the weekend we were talking football while watching the Cards game and the subject came up because Fitz was so brilliant and guys like Mike Williams who were great college players have bombed out.

Long story short my girlfriends brother in law says he has a friend who's a huge USC fan, a booster, all sorts of access to the team etc. He says that the reason Pete Carroll was so against Sanchez going pro is the same reason he was against Williams leaving early. Carroll told Williams the reason you are making so many great catches in college is because you run bad routes, you don't get separation, you just rely on size and strength. That won't work in the NFL you need to slim down and learn better routes. Which is exactly what happened to Williams in the NFL, he couldn't get open and NFL DB's knock down the balls he was making circus catches on in college, if the QB trusted him to throw it all.

With Sanchez the claim is he's very inconsistent with his accuracy, he'll complete the pass but it's on the wrong shoulder, too high, too low etc. So in college with a great run game, great protection and very good(not great) WR's, he looks like a can't miss. But in the NFL, those inaccuracies will result in incomplete passes if not turnovers(much like McNabb in the first half).

Carroll kind of got beat up for not acting happy that Sanchez was leaving but apparently it wasn't just it hurts USC, it was the kid just isn't ready and another year of playing and improving his mechanics(and accuracy) would
make a HUGE difference.
 

Brewster10

Registered
Joined
Sep 24, 2006
Posts
852
Reaction score
0
Good points on Robiskie although I'll argue that he runs excellent routes and always has.. the knock is that DBs at the next level will smother him cause he doesn't have great burst or speed to burn guys deep

But his route running is excellent, he just doesnt have the speed to keep CBs honest..

McShay said this about him yesterday: "One receiver whose stock is on the rise through the first two days is Ohio State's Brian Robiskie. He continues to separate himself from the pack as the most polished receiver on the North roster. He showed precise cuts out of his stem and was able to throttle down instantly when running stop and comeback routes. Robiskie opened scouts' eyes with a beautiful catch during seven-on-seven drills, going up high on a skinny post while displaying soft hands to haul in the throw. At this point he appears to be the receiver who should have the easiest transition at the next level."

He's not gamebreaking enough to be a first rounder, but i think he'll be a second rounder for some team
 
OP
OP
joeshmo

joeshmo

Kangol Hat Aficionado
Joined
Feb 23, 2004
Posts
17,247
Reaction score
1
Good points on Robiskie although I'll argue that he runs excellent routes and always has.. the knock is that DBs at the next level will smother him cause he doesn't have great burst or speed to burn guys deep

But his route running is excellent, he just doesnt have the speed to keep CBs honest..

McShay said this about him yesterday: "One receiver whose stock is on the rise through the first two days is Ohio State's Brian Robiskie. He continues to separate himself from the pack as the most polished receiver on the North roster. He showed precise cuts out of his stem and was able to throttle down instantly when running stop and comeback routes. Robiskie opened scouts' eyes with a beautiful catch during seven-on-seven drills, going up high on a skinny post while displaying soft hands to haul in the throw. At this point he appears to be the receiver who should have the easiest transition at the next level."

He's not gamebreaking enough to be a first rounder, but i think he'll be a second rounder for some team

I agree. If he had more explosion he would be a sure 1st rounder. Technically sound in every aspect, just lacks the physical abilities scouts look for.
 

Shogun

Never doubt Mitch. EVER.
Joined
Dec 12, 2005
Posts
4,072
Reaction score
1
Robiskie could be a solid #2 receiver.
 

Cbus cardsfan

Back to Back ASFN FFL Champion
Joined
May 14, 2002
Posts
21,513
Reaction score
7,784
Robiskie, i don't have a good read on him. He's one of those guys who's not fast but seems to be open alot. I don't know if that will be the case in the pros.

A guy who i had an interest in the Cards drafting is CB Domonique Johnson. I now take that back. He has good straight line speed but has shown no hip movement at all in the workouts. Maybe he's just tentative but he's looked really shaky in coming out of breaks.
 

cardsfanmd

ASFN Icon
Joined
Jan 16, 2007
Posts
13,966
Reaction score
4,156
Location
annapolis, md
I am LOVING this TE from Southern Miss. Shaun Nelson. Who knows something about him. All I have seen thusfar is a hell of a blocker who stonewalled Mauluga, ran through tackles and Fitz-like hands for a TE. I know he is a bit light (listed at 240), but he holds his own where he is and looks like he could easily add 15lbs.

Anyone have anything to add on this kid?
 

SECTION 11

vibraslap
Joined
Oct 11, 2002
Posts
16,388
Reaction score
4,868
Location
Between the Pipes
Any scoop on Chase Coffman, the TE from Missouri? Hell is he even a senior?
It's so weird not giving a crap about the draft right now.
 
OP
OP
joeshmo

joeshmo

Kangol Hat Aficionado
Joined
Feb 23, 2004
Posts
17,247
Reaction score
1
I am LOVING this TE from Southern Miss. Shaun Nelson. Who knows something about him. All I have seen thusfar is a hell of a blocker who stonewalled Mauluga, ran through tackles and Fitz-like hands for a TE. I know he is a bit light (listed at 240), but he holds his own where he is and looks like he could easily add 15lbs.

Anyone have anything to add on this kid?

Yes he did push Rey-Rey right on his ass, made him look silly. But that might have been the only good block he has had in 4 days. He is very willing to block though. Mike Tice is the one tutoring him at the Senior Bowl and had lots of great things to say about him, the gist of it was,"this kid is going to be good once he gets stronger at blocking, he needs to get stronger and better technique but he has shown a willingness to learn and put his body out there which is all you can ask for going to the next level." He weighed in at 234 for the combine. Will without a doubt need to add 10-15 more pounds before he becomes an effective blocker in the NFL.

But he has looked like the best recieving TE at the combine, of the practices I have watched. Good routes, and seems to know where to sit in zones.
 
OP
OP
joeshmo

joeshmo

Kangol Hat Aficionado
Joined
Feb 23, 2004
Posts
17,247
Reaction score
1
OP
OP
joeshmo

joeshmo

Kangol Hat Aficionado
Joined
Feb 23, 2004
Posts
17,247
Reaction score
1
Any scoop on Chase Coffman, the TE from Missouri? Hell is he even a senior?
It's so weird not giving a crap about the draft right now.

Injured his foot prior to his bowl game. Wasnt able to play and found out he had to have surgury for a fracture in his foot. He is actually in Phoenix rehabing it right now. He will not be taking part in the combine and hopes to be ready for his proday in Mid March sometime.
 

cardsfanmd

ASFN Icon
Joined
Jan 16, 2007
Posts
13,966
Reaction score
4,156
Location
annapolis, md
Yes he did push Rey-Rey right on his ass, made him look silly. But that might have been the only good block he has had in 4 days. He is very willing to block though. Mike Tice is the one tutoring him at the Senior Bowl and had lots of great things to say about him, the gist of it was,"this kid is going to be good once he gets stronger at blocking, he needs to get stronger and better technique but he has shown a willingness to learn and put his body out there which is all you can ask for going to the next level." He weighed in at 234 for the combine. Will without a doubt need to add 10-15 more pounds before he becomes an effective blocker in the NFL.

But he has looked like the best recieving TE at the combine, of the practices I have watched. Good routes, and seems to know where to sit in zones.
Thanks joe. You and Shogun are always my favorite guys during (what is normally) the offseason.

BTW- He owned ReyRey twice.
 

Staff online

Forum statistics

Threads
556,130
Posts
5,433,669
Members
6,329
Latest member
cardinals2025
Top