Several Teams Pursuing Josh Rosen

[DevonCardsFan]

More fuel to the fire:

First man to interview one on one with Kliff, says Cards are taking Murray and shopping Rosen .....Steve Wyche on his sit down with Kingsbury



http://arizonasports.com/category/podcast_player/?a=4229d0f6-c351-43b9-93a5-aa1c00faee4d&sid=1004&n=Doug+&+Wolf

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Lots of chatter = 10 media sources pointing to the same single article.

It's kind of funny.

 

[Veer]

Give me a break.

If Murray was a QB you actually liked you would not be saying this. QB is by far the most important position, it is more important than LT, CB, DE combined.

There is no better way to spend the number one pick if there is a QB worthy of it. This is why so often a qb is taken first, and why teams send multiple picks to move up to the top 5 picks to get a qb. They don't do that for other positions.

This! I'm okay with whiffing on the 1st overall pick if it's on a QB. This franchise has never had a legit franchise QB. All we got in recent memory is two nice runs with Warner and Palmer very late in their careers. That's why I won't settle for a potentially really good DE or DT with the 1st overall pick. We need that game changing franchise QB badly! Usually you pay multiple 1st round picks and then some to get into the position we are right now.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I edited the title again to hopefully make everyone happy.

 

[TJ]

Give me a break.

If Murray was a QB you actually liked you would not be saying this. QB is by far the most important position, it is more important than LT, CB, DE combined.

There is no better way to spend the number one pick if there is a QB worthy of it. This is why so often a qb is taken first, and why teams send multiple picks to move up to the top 5 picks to get a qb. They don't do that for other positions.

If the QB is worth the #1 pick. You simply don't take a QB because he's a QB, especially when you don't need one, and that's the position the Cardinals are in.

Simply, this draft isn't strong at theposition. The top QB, Haskins, would likely be the 4th best QB in last season's draft, with Murray slightly behind. It's not 2013 weak, but it's certainly not as strong as it was last season. If we had a transcendent talent like Andrew Luck in this draft, I'd be waiting at the podium for the commissioner to submit the pick. That simply doesn't exist. The strength of this draft is on the defensive line and pass rushers. Oddly enough, we are dangerously thin at defensive line. Imagine what this defense would look like if a Q. Williams were added? You could have an above average QB to manage the game and still win (though I think Rosen will eventually be a good-to-great talent in due time).

Bottom line: Don't reach. Take the most impactful player at a position of great need.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Read an weep:

Kliff Kingsbury:

"People have said a lot of things that are misconceptions, if you will," Kingsbury said. "Josh is a tremendous player, I've always thought, watching him at UCLA. He played his best football in a spread system, some similarities to what we do. He's a tremendous thinker, very cerebral, can throw it with anybody."

Re: Murray (video):

"I was head coach at Texas Tech then in October, and was speaking how I feel about him as a player and how I felt," Kingsbury said. "(I) was definitely ahead of the curve on his quarterback playing ability I think, but I had watched him a long time and I knew how special a talent he was and just appreciated his level of play and wanted to make sure that I showed him some props."

"Air Raid" offence:

"We take a lot of pride in building a system around a quarterback," Kingsbury said. "For someone to say he (Rosen) doesn't fit our system, it doesn't make sense."

Kingsbury went on to rave about Rosen - especially his toughness in fighting through a miserable situation in Arizona, where he got battered behind a patchwork offensive line and sacked 45 times last year.

"Watching him last year, continuing to get up, it would've been easy for him to tap out," Kingsbury said. "You all saw how bad it got, with all the injuries up front. Injuries at wideout, where guys couldn't create separation. He was just back there taking hit after hit, continuing to get up, and played his best football at the end of the season. You see that as a coach, it's very impressive. There is a lot there to work with."

First pick:

"With the first pick, there is tons of chatter," Kingsbury said. "As a coach or a quarterback in this league, you have to have thick skin and you have to understand what goes on and kind of the circus that comes with this position."

Every bit of it's coach speak, and I guess you're just gullible to believe it either way. It means nothing.

Dave Gettlemen said a few weeks before he traded OBJ that they wouldn't have signed him to a large contract extension if they planned on trading him. Weeks later they traded him for what many thinks wasn't enough. They were clearly agreeable to trading him even though their GM said they weren't trading him.

What I like about Rosen is that I do think he is tough and I think he is a competitor. He took the losses in stride and it didn't seem to effect his confidence. I don't think Rosen will bust like David Carr did years ago, basically getting shell shocked and unable to play well after taking so many hits. Leinart seemed to be effected as well; after breaking his collarbone, you rarely saw Leinart step up in the pocket and throw the ball downfield and take a big hit.

Why do I think Rosen won't get a first round pick? Outside of the Dolphins, all of the suitors already have an on-the-roster starting alternative. You could say the Dolphins do as well (Fitzpatrick), but I don't buy that. So that leaves Rosen against all the other QBs in the draft plus teams have the option to punt and wait for next years draft that will have a few good prospects (Tua?, Hebert, and possibly Costello from Stanford).

So that means that teams may like Rosen as a bargain add since his contract is so cheap and he definitely has starting upside. I'd look for 2nd round pick and a useful player. Maybe Rosen for a second and Kenny Stills from the Dolphins.

 

[Jetstream Green]

If the Cards trade Rosen, it will require a first rounder and not only does a team get a first round talent (and he is according to a lot of teams) but a very cheap one... it would be like drafting him last year without having to pay him to an extent and you damn right teams would offer a first for that and I still think the Patriots are the team on draft day with a great situation at the position for him

 

[Krangodnzr]

If the QB is worth the #1 pick. You simply don't take a QB because he's a QB, especially when you don't need one, and that's the position the Cardinals are in.

Simply, this draft isn't strong at theposition. The top QB, Haskins, would likely be the 4th best QB in last season's draft, with Murray slightly behind. It's not 2013 weak, but it's certainly not as strong as it was last season. If we had a transcendent talent like Andrew Luck in this draft, I'd be waiting at the podium for the commissioner to submit the pick. That simply doesn't exist. The strength of this draft is on the defensive line and pass rushers. Oddly enough, we are dangerously thin at defensive line. Imagine what this defense would look like if a Q. Williams were added? You could have an above average QB to manage the game and still win (though I think Rosen will eventually be a good-to-great talent in due time).

Bottom line: Don't reach. Take the most impactful player at a position of great need.

We differ on how we see Rosen vs. Murray, but to be honest, this defensive line class is stacked, so the best decision is to actually trade down and acquire more picks. The 2nd round defensive line options are too far off what the first round talent is, though IMO Q Williams, Bosa, and Oliver could make the Cardinals defense REALLY good quickly.

I keep hearing everyone talk about all of the holes the Cardinals have, but I think on defense, the team is really close to being good immediately. The offense is the issue, which is why I'm the captain of team Murray, because I think he will make the offense dangerous very quickly if the Cardinals can get better offensive line play and add another productive offensive weapon or two.

 

[Krangodnzr]

If the Cards trade Rosen, it will require a first rounder and not only does a team get a first round talent (and he is according to a lot of teams) but a very cheap one... it would be like drafting him last year without having to pay him to an extent and you damn right teams would offer a first for that and I still think the Patriots are the team on draft day with a great situation at the position for him

I think the retirement of Gronk puts a wrench in this plan. The Chargers have been cited as a dark horse candidate, and I could see that happening since Rivers has basically said he doesn't want to play too much longer. The Chargers have a pretty good team right now, and Rosen could step into a really good situation after sitting for a year.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Well now it is getting crazy. This came out 16 minutes ago

Joel Klatt said Wednesday on “Undisputed” that the Patriots — and the Giants and Chargers — have all expressed interest in acquiring Rosen. One of those teams has already offered up a second-round pick for Rosen, but Klatt didn’t share which team made that offer.

“There are three teams that I have heard and I know are very interested in Josh Rosen, and that’s New England, that’s the New York Giants, and that’s the LA Chargers. And one of those have already offered a second-round pick,” Klatt said. “Those are the three teams that have expressed some interest. There is one of those that has offered firmly a second-round pick for Josh Rosen.”

https://boston.cbslocal.com/2019/03/27/report-patriots-interest-trade-qb-josh-rosen/

So we have a confirmed 2nd round pick offered.

It's either going to land on a 1st or like a 2nd and a 3rd

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Interesting, on Doug and Wolf with Steve Wyche he specifically names Chargers and Giants.

So now we have 3 different sources listing Giants, 2 Charges, 1 Patriots.

 

[Proximo]

If the QB is worth the #1 pick. You simply don't take a QB because he's a QB, especially when you don't need one, and that's the position the Cardinals are in.

Simply, this draft isn't strong at theposition. The top QB, Haskins, would likely be the 4th best QB in last season's draft, with Murray slightly behind. It's not 2013 weak, but it's certainly not as strong as it was last season. If we had a transcendent talent like Andrew Luck in this draft, I'd be waiting at the podium for the commissioner to submit the pick. That simply doesn't exist. The strength of this draft is on the defensive line and pass rushers. Oddly enough, we are dangerously thin at defensive line. Imagine what this defense would look like if a Q. Williams were added? You could have an above average QB to manage the game and still win (though I think Rosen will eventually be a good-to-great talent in due time).

Bottom line: Don't reach. Take the most impactful player at a position of great need.

Yeah - so Murray has a top 5 college qb year by all statistical analysis. He is one of the all time best rushing qb's of all time, and is the only qb in texas high school football to win 3 state championships - But your position is he is not worthy of the top pick.

I guess we just have to agree to disagree then.

The difference between quinnen williams and some guy we pick up off the waiver wire for the DL just isn't that great. We are talking about a position where the difference between a mediocre player and a stud is 3 tackles a game, and 1/2 a sack and 1 hurry. It's just not that big a deal.

 

[Proximo]

Interesting, on Doug and Wolf with Steve Wyche he specifically names Chargers and Giants.

So now we have 3 different sources listing Giants, 2 Charges, 1 Patriots.

I really think he is going to be traded for the 15th or 17th pick - or at absolute worst the 32nd pick by the pats on draft day.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Lol of course they are. Every team that needs or will need a QB is interested. Because they see the prospect of a franchise QB in him. If Murray is so much better head and shoulders above Rosen than why wouldn't teams be clamoring to move up and get Murray? If he's a sure fire plug and play transcendent talent then that's the move right?
It's because teams and scouts aren't buying in to the hype frenzied media. And the same media covering the giants confirmed Rosen is not on the trade market.
When BB is willing to give up draft capital, something they covet to get a player, that should be cause for pause imo

The Giants have an incentive to say Rosen isn't on the market because that could scare off potential suitors.
We really have NO reason to believe that BB is interested in Rosen other than "rumors"
And teams aren't clamoring to move up and draft Murray because the Cardinals have the inside track on him. How many rumors did we hear that the Chiefs wanted to move up and draft Mahomes? Teams will keep their interest under wraps to not create the perception that they covet a certain player.
If the Cardinals don't want Murray, I can't remember a better smokescreen in my around 30 years of watching football. It's pretty damn epic and I applaud Keim and Co for how well they've managed it.

 

[GatorAZ]

Well now it is getting crazy. This came out 16 minutes ago



https://boston.cbslocal.com/2019/03/27/report-patriots-interest-trade-qb-josh-rosen/

So we have a confirmed 2nd round pick offered.

It's either going to land on a 1st or like a 2nd and a 3rd

If teams are offering a 2nd rounder on March 26th it will be a 1st rounder (at least) in one month.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Well now it is getting crazy. This came out 16 minutes ago



https://boston.cbslocal.com/2019/03/27/report-patriots-interest-trade-qb-josh-rosen/

So we have a confirmed 2nd round pick offered.

It's either going to land on a 1st or like a 2nd and a 3rd

Yeah I'd like a 2nd and 3rd, or 2nd and useful player.

 

[ARZCardinals]

I really think he is going to be traded for the 15th or 17th pick - or at absolute worst the 32nd pick by the pats on draft day.

100% agree it'll be for 15 or 17 and probably a swap of picks to advantage the cardinals somewhere down the line.
Rosen has real value, the biggest ? for Rosen coming out in the draft was 'Is he made of glass?' ...well he's proven he's not...and his signing bonus already done helps teams....add to it he's got 3 years left with a team option for a 4th year.
It's a no brainer Cards WILL get a 1 for him (15 or 17) and likely something smaller on the backside of the draft such as a 4 or 5 because teams wanting him NEED him. Once Keim says we got a lot of other offer....make a final offer and we're moving on from this teams are gonna throw big at Keim.

 

[DevonCardsFan]

I edited the title again to hopefully make everyone happy.

From what I am hearing from yesterday was part of Kingsburyb

Interesting, on Doug and Wolf with Steve Wyche he specifically names Chargers and Giants.

So now we have 3 different sources listing Giants, 2 Charges, 1 Patriots.

I think they all have to beat the Pats 32, I could see this driven to middle if 1st Rd in not to long . 3 picks in the first 33 will make the draft a fun one

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I don't think it is a coincidence that the owners meetings are happening and the owners, gms, and coaches are all here in Arizona.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Should I change the title again to "Several Teams Pursuing Rosen"?

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Okay since Devon liked it and it his thread it is changed. Good to get all this consolidated into one thread anyway.

 

[DevonCardsFan]

Well now it is getting crazy. This came out 16 minutes ago



https://boston.cbslocal.com/2019/03/27/report-patriots-interest-trade-qb-josh-rosen/

So we have a confirmed 2nd round pick offered.

It's either going to land on a 1st or like a 2nd and a 3rd

Cards want a 1st for Rosen, that's something that anti Murray folks could deal with

https://nfltraderumors.co/report-pa...josh-rosen-cardinals-looking-for-1st-rd-pick/

 

[GuernseyCard]

Driving up the price of Rosen is all

Right. If KK says something positive about KM take it to the bank and if it's Josh the cheque will bounce.

 

[GuernseyCard]

Every bit of it's coach speak, and I guess you're just gullible to believe it either way. It means nothing.

Dave Gettlemen said a few weeks before he traded OBJ that they wouldn't have signed him to a large contract extension if they planned on trading him. Weeks later they traded him for what many thinks wasn't enough. They were clearly agreeable to trading him even though their GM said they weren't trading him.

What I like about Rosen is that I do think he is tough and I think he is a competitor. He took the losses in stride and it didn't seem to effect his confidence. I don't think Rosen will bust like David Carr did years ago, basically getting shell shocked and unable to play well after taking so many hits. Leinart seemed to be effected as well; after breaking his collarbone, you rarely saw Leinart step up in the pocket and throw the ball downfield and take a big hit.

Why do I think Rosen won't get a first round pick? Outside of the Dolphins, all of the suitors already have an on-the-roster starting alternative. You could say the Dolphins do as well (Fitzpatrick), but I don't buy that. So that leaves Rosen against all the other QBs in the draft plus teams have the option to punt and wait for next years draft that will have a few good prospects (Tua?, Hebert, and possibly Costello from Stanford).

So that means that teams may like Rosen as a bargain add since his contract is so cheap and he definitely has starting upside. I'd look for 2nd round pick and a useful player. Maybe Rosen for a second and Kenny Stills from the Dolphins.

LOL.

Gullible coming someone who has convinced himself that mighty mouse is better than the best short QB in the Super Bowl era.

Spare me...

 

[Minski]

I don’t get this at all, we seem to be the only team interested in Murray, if we didn’t take him at #1 he may fall all the way until our 2nd rounder.

If we really are interested in him, which I hope isn’t the case, why not use our 1st on Q or Bosa and then when it gets to the pick of one of these teams who are into Rosen and Murray is still there, then do a swap??