Sexson is a D-Back, But did we give too much?

[Gee!]

The Diamondbacks and the Milwaukee Brewers completed a blockbuster trade Monday that sends slugger Richie Sexson to Arizona as part of a nine-player deal.


Milwaukee sent Sexson, reliever Shane Nance and a player to be named to Arizona for infielder Craig Counsell, second baseman Junior Spivey, first baseman Lyle Overbay, catcher Chad Moeller, and left-handers Chris Capuano and Jorge De La Rosa.


The Brewers scheduled an afternoon news conference at Miller Park to announce the deal.


De La Rosa was one of four players the Red Sox traded to the Diamondbacks on Saturday for Curt Schilling.


The Boston deal wasn't final until Schilling's physical exam Monday. Schilling had to pass the physical before De La Rosa could be added to Arizona's roster, and therefore eligible for a trade.

 

[WizardOfAz]

I vote "yes" unless they can somehow sign him to a contract extension.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

We give up four opening day starters from last year, and two promising young pitchers for Sexson, who we'll have for one year, and two crap players? This looks like another brilliant stroke by Joe Jr., along the lines of the Albie Lopez pickup, the Elmer trade, and the Shilling fleecing. This team is in big trouble.

 

[green machine]

We got a top slugger in this game, and our perpetual hole at first seems to be filled. We gave up some prospects, but our farm is loaded with pitching so we could afford it. I would like to see Sexon resigned, but to get a star player without giving one up is pretty good.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Originally posted by green machine
We got a top slugger in this game, and our perpetual hole at first seems to be filled. We gave up some prospects, but our farm is loaded with pitching so we could afford it. I would like to see Sexon resigned, but to get a star player without giving one up is pretty good.

We got a top slugger for one freaking year. Just because we have prospects doesn't mean we should throw them around like nothing. We can't afford anything these days. How did we not give up stars/potential stars? We gave up spivey, a year removed from being an all-star, overbay, one of the top players in triple A, Capuano, one of our top pitching prospects, and De La Rosa, Boston's #1 pitching prospect. This also includes two starter quality players in Moeller and Counsell. How can you possibly say that we didn't give up too much?

 

[Hired Goon]

Another thread has said that this would be a one year rent a player. Unless we can lock up Sexson for 2 years or more, this trade completely leans in the Brew-Crew's favor. Garagiola said in his press conference after the Schilling trade that the Diamondbacks were going "young" and planning for the future. What is he trying to say with this trade? We give them Spivey, Overbay, De La Rosa, and Capuano. 4 players with vast potential. I am not saying that they will realize it, but I would rather sit and wait for them than have Richie Sexon for one year. Sexson is a hell of a player but if we are planning for the future we are moving in the wrong direction. I think that Garagiola is going for another title push which begs the question, who gives you the better chance of winning? Schilling or Sexson? (its a rhetorical question)

 

[Gee!]

Jerry says were not done dealing yet, but so far here is the line up.


P-Johnson
C-Barajas
1B-Sexson
2B-Kata
SS-Cintron
3B-Hillenbrand
LF-Gonzo
CF-Finley
RF-Bautista

Doesnt look too bad, although i'm worried about depth now.

 

[green machine]

Originally posted by ASUCHRIS
We got a top slugger for one freaking year. Just because we have prospects doesn't mean we should throw them around like nothing. We can't afford anything these days. How did we not give up stars/potential stars? We gave up spivey, a year removed from being an all-star, overbay, one of the top players in triple A, Capuano, one of our top pitching prospects, and De La Rosa, Boston's #1 pitching prospect. This also includes two starter quality players in Moeller and Counsell. How can you possibly say that we didn't give up too much?

With the prospects, you have them so you can develop them and either trade them or keep them on the team. Whe are stocked with pitchers. There would come a time where we cannot keep them all. Gosling, Patterson, Good are all still here.

Spivey was an all-star, yes. Did part of that have to do with his manager picking the team?

I am disappointed in giving up Dela Rosa, but Capuano had one good game and was hit hard in the others, if I remember right.

Moeller wanted to go.

Counsell makes way too much money for what he does.

adam

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Originally posted by SameOleGee
Jerry says were not done dealing yet, but so far here is the line up.


P-Johnson
C-Barajas
1B-Sexson
2B-Kata
SS-Cintron
3B-Hillenbrand
LF-Gonzo
CF-Finley
RF-Bautista

Doesnt look too bad, although i'm worried about depth now.

I AM SO SICK OF KATA BEING RECOGNIZED AS A MAJOR LEAGUE STARTER. sorry, sore topic. The guy came up in June, and hit .375, with 3 homers. very nice. uh oh....July comes around, and he is already batting .241, lowering his average significantly. So what does he do in August? more of the same, but less power, with zero homers, and batting .242. September, even worse, batting .204 for the month, lowering his average to .257 for the year, with one home run for the last two months. The guy is a decent defender, but come on. We have to have someone better than this. He came to the big leagues, nobody knew how to pitch to him, he had a good month, then pitchers figured him out. Let's give up on this joke.

 

[Chainthroer]

What a fleece job on the Diamondbacks!! I cannot put down in writing what I really think.

 

[Gee!]

Originally posted by ASUCHRIS
I AM SO SICK OF KATA BEING RECOGNIZED AS A MAJOR LEAGUE STARTER.

Just giving my thoughts on the starting line up as of this point lol.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Originally posted by green machine
With the prospects, you have them so you can develop them and either trade them or keep them on the team. Whe are stocked with pitchers. There would come a time where we cannot keep them all. Gosling, Patterson, Good are all still here.

Spivey was an all-star, yes. Did part of that have to do with his manager picking the team?

I am disappointed in giving up Dela Rosa, but Capuano had one good game and was hit hard in the others, if I remember right.

Moeller wanted to go.

Counsell makes way too much money for what he does.

adam

Stop making excuses for joe. I don't buy the argument "just because you are stocked at pitchers" that you should just throw them around. If you have this glut of quality pitchers, get good things other than Sexson. What is more valuable than quality young pitching?

Spivey's selection had very little to do with Brenley being the manager. He was batting .326 with nine homers and 54 RBI's at the break. Name a better 2nd baseman in the national league at that point.

 

[Dback Jon]

Horrible, horrible trade. Joe sucks

Sexson - great player, but we are only guaranteed one year of him. Getting him to sign an extension should have been mandatory!!!!

We gave up:
Counsell - injured, not that big of deal. I like Craig, but he may never get back to what he had. Not much difference between him and Kata.

Junior Spivey: Good 2B, but out-played last year. Will hurt our bench.

Lyle Overbay: 2nd on team in OBP. Joe hasn't figured out the value of this yet.

Chris Capuano - good pitcher - still developing.

Chad Moeller - not a big loss, we are stocked at catcher.

De la Rosa - don't know too much about him, but supposedly good prospect.


In summary, we trade:

Curt Schilling, Junior Spivey, Counsell, Overbay, Capuano, and Moeller for Sexson, Shane Nance, Fossum and some prospects....ugh.

 

[RLakin]

Originally posted by ASUCHRIS
Stop making excuses for joe. I don't buy the argument "just because you are stocked at pitchers" that you should just throw them around. If you have this glut of quality pitchers, get good things other than Sexson. What is more valuable than quality young pitching?

Spivey's selection had very little to do with Brenley being the manager. He was batting .326 with nine homers and 54 RBI's at the break. Name a better 2nd baseman in the national league at that point.

Totally agree. I don't see the point in rebuilding if you're going to include guys like Spivey as throw ins for a 1st baseman who's probably going to make as much money as Schilling after next year.
I didn't mind the Schilling deal because there was only 2 places he was probably going to go to and only one (Boston) had some decent prospects left after last seasons trading deadline. But after throwing (by most accounts) the best prospect in this deal along with a decent lefty from your organization and a budding star at 2nd base for Richie Sexton I don't see how this is anything except counterproductive. Looks to me as if Colangelo's tunnel vision in aquiring Sexton may have forced the D-backs into another bad trade. One's an accident, two's a trend, and I'm afraid with no extension on the horizon for Sexton (nor with all we've been made to believe about finances would it make any sense), the third time may be a major problem for this organization.

 

[Gee!]

Never really knew much aboubt Shane Nance. I looked up his stats. He has hardly played in the bigs. Is he going to Tuscon?

Here's his stats:
http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/stats/mlb_player_locator_results.jsp?playerLocator=nance

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Originally posted by Dback Jon

Curt Schilling, Junior Spivey, Counsell, Overbay, Capuano, and Moeller for Sexson, Shane Nance, Fossum and some prospects....ugh.

God, looking at this just makes me want to cry, or strangle Joe Jr. At least we won't have to hear old Joe angling for sonny boy to get GM of the year, this could be a long, long summer....

 

[Ryanwb]

The biggest point in moving these players was not to get something in return of equal value....but to reduce the team's salary.

Sexson is a nice pickup, he is just entering his prime. Schilling is on the down side of his career. The other players who nice for depth, but the team just couldn't afford that luxury. I am very sad to see Spivey go, he was a a great guy and a nice talent.

 

[WizardOfAz]

Originally posted by Ryanwb
The biggest point in moving these players was not to get something in return of equal value....but to reduce the team's salary.

Hvae we confirmed who is paying Counsell's salary next year?

 

[Ryanwb]

Originally posted by WizardOfAz
Hvae we confirmed who is paying Counsell's salary next year?

All the publications I have read indicate that it is going to be an even swap of salaries....meaning the respected teams pay the players salaries they received.

Counsell will probably start for Milwaukee as will Spivey, Moeller and Overbay. They are getting 4 starters for the price of one

 

[Cheesebeef]

I just don't understand this unless Sexton is part of the long term future - and if they really are figuring to "go for it" for one more year - what gives you a better shot - Schill, Johnson and Webb or Johnson, Webb, scrubs and Sexson? And if it's really just one more year - why not keep Schill and get Sexson - if you're giving up so many guys in the Sexson deal who seemed to be part of the future? I mean, would 8 million dollars really hurt this club that much? If Sexson is one and done and this team doesn't make it to the postseason - this will go down as an abomination of an offseason - however - I still can't really complain - 5 year championship rule for me.

 

[Travis Bickle]

Remember how everybody bitched about giving up Duaner Sanchez for Mike Fetters? Sanchez turned out to be crap, couldn't even make it in middle relief for the Pirates last year and is now with another organization. And everybody bitched when we gave up Beirbrodt (and Conti) for Albie Lopez? Beirbrodt sucked for the Devil Rays (although being shot might have contributed to that). Point is, Diamondbacks scouts and coaches have a good read on players/prospects, and for the most part have traded away trash. If Capuano or de la Rosa was the second coming of Billy Wagner, I don't think Garagiola would have traded them. Counsell sucks, Moeller is probably a career backup catcher, Overbay sucked as a 26 year old rookie, Capuano will probably be a middle reliever/left handed specialist, Spivey is pretty good but inconsistent and 28 years old and probably not getting much better. We got 45 home runs from the cleanup spot today, and everything we lost can and will be filled either through the organization (Hairston, E. Gonzalez, Hammock, etc...) or with cheap veteran fa's. Given Garagiola's track record, I think you all should give him the benefit of the doubt.

 

[green machine]

Originally posted by ASUCHRIS
Stop making excuses for joe. I don't buy the argument "just because you are stocked at pitchers" that you should just throw them around. If you have this glut of quality pitchers, get good things other than Sexson. What is more valuable than quality young pitching?

Spivey's selection had very little to do with Brenley being the manager. He was batting .326 with nine homers and 54 RBI's at the break. Name a better 2nd baseman in the national league at that point.

I don't think I need to make excuses for Joe. A W.S. championship should be enough. Not every trade looks good, but so far what superstars have we given up in which bad trade?

Spivey had a great first half in 02. What happened last year?

 

[PDXChris]

I like the trade. Spivey has had 1 good season and everyone thinks he is the greatest thing since sliced bread. Did we give up a lot, yes, but I think 45 homers will cure all. Plus I think there is another deal coming, that will make up for it.

 

[moviegeekjn]

D'backs have singlehandedly made fans in both Boston and Milwaukee happy in less than a week.

 

[WizardOfAz]

Originally posted by Ryanwb
All the publications I have read indicate that it is going to be an even swap of salaries....meaning the respected teams pay the players salaries they received.

If you are right, that makes me feel a little bit better.