Shane Ray is the one player I think the Cards would trade up for.

[Lomax to Green 84]

I was checking the list of players brought in by the Cardinals and the only legit top 10 talents were Randy Gregory and Shane Ray. I just don't think Gregory has a spot in the Cards base defense. Ray on the other hand, would be perfect as that blind side pass rusher. He is relentless, plays angry, and is in attack mode all the time.

If Ray falls due to the underwhelming Pro Day, I could see the Cards making a play for him around pick #11-12.

 

[DVontel]

Really don't think it's in Keim DNA to trade up.

 

[Mitch]

The problem in this draft is having to address multiple needs:

Edge rusher
RB
CB
WR/PR
ILB

Thus, I think Steve Keim will try to trade down to add a pick or two.

However, I agree with you Holian---if SK were to move up, Ray would be a prime reason---in fact, if SK could pull off a deal to go up and get Vic Beasley, I think that's the guy he would be willing to give up picks to do so. I have heard that they love Beasley.

FYI---I have read reports from two different scouts who say every time they watched tape of Ray, they would wind up being equally impressed with his teammate Markus Golden. While they recognize Ray's slight advantage in physical talent, they were enamored with Golden's incessant motor and competitiveness. Both were highly productive and their numbers are quite comparable.

Career Stats:

Ray 6-3, 245---116 tackles---34.0 tackles for loss---19.0 sacks---4 forced fumbles---1 fumble recovery

Golden 6-2, 260---143 tackles---33.0 tackles for loss----16.5 sacks----5 forced fumbles---5 fumble recoveries.

 

[GuernseyCard]

Really don't think it's in Keim DNA to trade up.

In the first round....

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

The problem in this draft is having to address multiple needs:

Edge rusher
RB
CB
WR/PR
ILB

Thus, I think Steve Keim will try to trade down to add a pick or two.

However, I agree with you Holian---if SK were to move up, Ray would be a prime reason---in fact, if SK could pull off a deal to go up and get Vic Beasley, I think that's the guy he would be willing to give up picks to do so. I have heard that they love Beasley.

FYI---I have read reports from two different scouts who say every time they watched tape of Ray, they would wind up being equally impressed with his teammate Markus Golden. While they recognize Ray's slight advantage in physical talent, they were enamored with Golden's incessant motor and competitiveness. Both were highly productive and their numbers are quite comparable.

Career Stats:

Ray 6-3, 245---116 tackles---34.0 tackles for loss---19.0 sacks---4 forced fumbles---1 fumble recovery

Golden 6-2, 260---143 tackles---33.0 tackles for loss----16.5 sacks----5 forced fumbles---5 fumble recoveries.

Marcus Golden's problem is that he's not nearly the athlete Ray is to compete at the NFL level. Ray has about the best 1st step in the draft and Golden lumbered to a 4.9 forty.

I could also see Keim moving up for Ray and have advocated that move for months. 9-15 range is where he will likely be selected.

In fact, just the other day, I texted and asked if Ray was still considered a top 10 pick and the answer I received was that he's right on the fringe of the top 10.

 

[Mitch]

Marcus Golden's problem is that he's not nearly the athlete Ray is to compete at the NFL level. Ray has about the best 1st step in the draft and Golden lumbered to a 4.9 forty.

I could also see Keim moving up for Ray and have advocated that move for months. 9-15 range is where he will likely be selected.

In fact, just the other day, I texted and asked if Ray was still considered a top 10 pick and the answer I received was that he's right on the fringe of the top 10.

Both Ray and Golden ran 4.68 40s at their pro day. Ray has added 15 pounds in recent weeks. Ray does have that explosive first step---but Golden is just as tenacious and productive.

 

[Chopper0080]

I can't imagine any GM would trade up for Shane Rya with all of the red flags he comes with. Limited years of college production. Defense that churns out productive edge rushers with limited athleticism. Fringe size. Lack of elite burst to excelerate around the edge.

I can't see a GM that would move up for a player with these question marks. It is similar to Randy Gregory. As good as his talent is, you aren't going to give up additional draft picks to take him.

 

[ARZCardinals]

Morning radio Dave Pashe (sp?) said he thinks he IS the best pass rusher in college.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I can't imagine any GM would trade up for Shane Rya with all of the red flags he comes with. Limited years of college production. Defense that churns out productive edge rushers with limited athleticism. Fringe size. Lack of elite burst to excelerate around the edge.

I can't see a GM that would move up for a player with these question marks. It is similar to Randy Gregory. As good as his talent is, you aren't going to give up additional draft picks to take him.

You must've been watching someone else.

Also, the limited years of production argument is bogus. He is the Mizzou all time sack leader. That on a program that churns out productive edge rushers.

It's fine that you don't like him, or don't think we should trade up for him, but the arguments you used to support your stance are inaccurate.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Both Ray and Golden ran 4.68 40s at their pro day. Ray has added 15 pounds in recent weeks. Ray does have that explosive first step---but Golden is just as tenacious and productive.

Ray is more of a Von Miller type athlete while Golden is more Michael Sam. That's why Ray will go top 15 and Golden will be a 4-7th rounder.

 

[Mitch]

Ray is more of a Von Miller type athlete while Golden is more Michael Sam. That's why Ray will go top 15 and Golden will be a 4-7th rounder.

I agree that Ray will go in the first round---but he is no Von Miller---he's nowhere near as fast.

And comparing Golden to Michael Sam is hyperbole. Golden is going to be taken on Day 2, probably in Round 3.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I agree that Ray will go in the first round---but he is no Von Miller---he's nowhere near as fast.

And comparing Golden to Michael Sam is hyperbole. Golden is going to be taken on Day 2, probably in Round 3.

Ray is coming off an injury and, if he gained 15 pounds like you said, still ran a 4.6.

He reportedly normally runs in the 4.4/4.5 range which is where Miller was timed. I'll agree that he's not as much an overall, fluid athlete as Miller is though.

 

[juza76]

SHANE RAY
PRO DAY RESULTS
40-yard dash: 4.64 and 4.65 seconds
Vertical jump: 33 1/2 inches
Broad jump: 10 feet
20-yard short shuttle: 4.53 seconds
Three-cone drill: 7.71 seconds

i think chopper wasnt really inaccurate,outside of 40 yard dash ,his numbers were not near to the top 4 OLB,even mayock was a bit disappointed about this
he has great first step and good straight line speed but i think he didnt train in the same way as the other top OLB
anyway i would like him in our team


--mitch, golden is slower 4.74 -4.76 ,a horrible 28 vertical jump 9.2 foot broad jump,not much explotion out of there

 

[Chopper0080]

You must've been watching someone else.

Also, the limited years of production argument is bogus. He is the Mizzou all time sack leader. That on a program that churns out productive edge rushers.

It's fine that you don't like him, or don't think we should trade up for him, but the arguments you used to support your stance are inaccurate.

When you watch Ray's rush arc, he starts off quickly but then tops out in terms of speed. He doesn't accelerate after contact with offensive linemen which is what seperates him from elite speed edge rushers like Von Miller. Miller burts towards the QB after contact while Ray does not. That is from watching games.

In relation to Missouri, Michael Sam was a productive college pass rusher out of their system. Markus Golden. Ray is a similar speed rusher to Aldon Smith but without the size.

I don't believe Ray will ever be more than a 10 sack guy in the NFL, but that doesn't mean I would be unhappy if the Cardinals took him at 24. That being said, he has too many red flags for a team to give up additional picks for him.

 

[Chopper0080]

SHANE RAY
PRO DAY RESULTS
40-yard dash: 4.64 and 4.65 seconds
Vertical jump: 33 1/2 inches
Broad jump: 10 feet
20-yard short shuttle: 4.53 seconds
Three-cone drill: 7.71 seconds

i think chopper wasnt really inaccurate,outside of 40 yard dash ,his numbers were not near to the top 4 OLB,even mayock was a bit disappointed about this
he has great first step and good straight line speed but i think he didnt train in the same way as the other top OLB
anyway i would like him in our team


--mitch, golden is slower 4.74 -4.76 ,a horrible 28 vertical jump 9.2 foot broad jump,not much explotion out of there

Ray looks like a 4.6 guy on film/clips/games. I would say that Fowler looks the same as well. Gregory and Beasley are the only two edge guys in this class who have a second gear after contact when rushing the passer.

 

[don7031]

The problem in this draft is having to address multiple needs:

Edge rusher
RB
CB
WR/PR
ILB

You left out D-line and O-line. Just feels like the Cardinals need a handful of second round picks to alleviate the uncertainty of the free agent acquisitions not named Mike Iupati.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Ray looks like a 4.6 guy on film/clips/games. I would say that Fowler looks the same as well. Gregory and Beasley are the only two edge guys in this class who have a second gear after contact when rushing the passer.

I think Fowler is being way overrated. I disagree about Ray though. I think he's the best edge rusher in the draft. I have reservations about Beasley because he's not going to play at 250, or whatever he weighed at the combine. Gregory, if he keeps his head on straight, is right there with Ray. Dupree is a notch below all those guys.

 

[Chopper0080]

I think Fowler is being way overrated. I disagree about Ray though. I think he's the best edge rusher in the draft. I have reservations about Beasley because he's not going to play at 250, or whatever he weighed at the combine. Gregory, if he keeps his head on straight, is right there with Ray. Dupree is a notch below all those guys.

If the Cardinals drafted Beasley, I would hope they would move him to ILB in base packages. Move him around in sub packages.

My overall opinion is that Fowler and Ray do not have the acceleration to be consistent 10+ sack guys, and Dupree does not have the tanacity to do so. Gregory might not have the physical strength to pressure defenders with a bull rush, and I question Beasley's fit as an edge rusher in a 3-4. I wouldn't move up for any of these guys, just because they all have pretty big question marks, and I'm not sure what teams believe they can "coach up" which is a big part of pass rush development. Also, I believe the gap between this group and Owa, Preston Smith, and Eli Harold is not very big. I know you disagree on Ray, and that is the fun part of the draft, but this is how I see it.

 

[Cardsfanstl]

When you watch Ray's rush arc, he starts off quickly but then tops out in terms of speed. He doesn't accelerate after contact with offensive linemen which is what seperates him from elite speed edge rushers like Von Miller. Miller burts towards the QB after contact while Ray does not. That is from watching games.

In relation to Missouri, Michael Sam was a productive college pass rusher out of their system. Markus Golden. Ray is a similar speed rusher to Aldon Smith but without the size.

I don't believe Ray will ever be more than a 10 sack guy in the NFL, but that doesn't mean I would be unhappy if the Cardinals took him at 24. That being said, he has too many red flags for a team to give up additional picks for him.

Watched Ray a lot in college. Not sure if I would take him. No particular reason just have gut feeling he is not going to adjust to the NFL game.

 

[107]

Watched Ray a lot in college. Not sure if I would take him. No particular reason just have gut feeling he is not going to adjust to the NFL game.

I don't watch hardly any college ball...why do you think he won't adjust?

 

[Cardsfanstl]

I cannot pinpoint one particular thing about him. It is just a gut feeling. I felt the same way about Beanie Wells when we drafted him.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Pass rushers from Missouri, running backs from Alabama make me wary... secondary players from LSU and running backs from Texas give me a better feeling

 

[Jake6233]

http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/53636/71/nfl-draft-needs-cardinals

Rotoworlds Team mock draft has the cards getting Ray at 24. Probably won't fall that far though.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/53636/71/nfl-draft-needs-cardinals

Rotoworlds Team mock draft has the cards getting Ray at 24. Probably won't fall that far though.

Did that guy steal my mock? I'd love that draft.

 

[Chopper0080]

Did that guy steal my mock? I'd love that draft.

I would have no problem with Ray at #24, though I think Gregory would give us more of an elite pass rusher if he fell. I think both have a decent chance to fall, and we would probably benefit the team.