Shaq+Barnes <--> Josh Howard+Stackhouse

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

Id rather have barnes than stackhouse (who has played EIGHT games this season you loonies)

And Shaq over Howard

Hell, id rather have 20 million expiring dollars that could get two Josh Howards than blow it on this trade

F+

Just because some of you want to throw the towel in for the season doesn't mean you should find drivel like this intriguing.

 

[AceP]

Sorry dear friends. I really love Nash ever since his time in Dallas. I wished Nash and Shaq could help each other to win a ring. But after watching last games vs Spurs, I realized it will never happen.

Allow me to be selfish, I wish Shaq to be traded. There is not much left in his tank, he can be 18+9 for at most another season, after then he'll be purely a role player. Let's get him in another team where he can chase his 5th ring.

Cuban, if u r serious of contending, send in a few picks and cash to sweeten the deal and make it happen!

 

[elindholm]

Clippers Get: Jerry Stackhouse + Suns and Mavs First Round Picks

The Suns aren't allowed to trade any of their first-round picks before 2012 at the earliest. You basically have the Clippers giving up Camby for free.

 

[elindholm]

Id rather have barnes than stackhouse (who has played EIGHT games this season you loonies)

Salary filler.

Hell, id rather have 20 million expiring dollars that could get two Josh Howards

Two Josh Howards aren't coming in 2010. No one good is. The money will be either useless or terribly spent, like they did the first time around with Quentin Richardson.

 

[Bufalay]

Well, from a rebuilding perspective, if they decide to blow it all up, acquiring athletic talent is a good thing. Even if it's not a long term player. You need to assemble a nice roster of parts you can trade to build a contender - see Barkley trade for the Suns (of course, don't pull a Chicago and acquire them and never swap them for the superstar to put you over the hump).

Trade your superstar for young players so you can trade for a superstar? Amare might have flaws, but so with this superstar "to be named later".

 

[Mainstreet]

Cuban, if u r serious of contending, send in a few picks and cash to sweeten the deal and make it happen!

Didn't the Mavs send a couple of first round picks to NJ to get Jason Kidd in the Devin Harris trade? I'm not sure what the Mavs have left.

 

[JS22]

Well, they'd still have Stoudemire, the former All-NBA center. They'd go back to playing small and trying to build some credibility for the 2010 free agent bonanza. The way things are going now, they'll have a ton of money to spend and no suitors. Seriously, would you want to play for this team starting in 2010-11?

Remember, Hill is gone soon too, leaving the Suns with absolutely zero wing talent beyond Richardson. Stoudemire/Howard/Richardson is at least a respectable core to try to rebuild around.

Phoenix is always a popular destination. It may not be #1, but even if the team is rebuilding somewhat they'll be able to pull a few attractive free agents.

 

[AceP]

We have to understand this team is going no where. Time to blow up and rebuild.

Whatever u think is best for the future, it is important to trade Shaq now when he has very good value. Or, trade him in summer when he is a huge expiring contract for 2010 summer. His trade value is certainly higher right now.

I think you guys might have missed a few good points in such a deal.

A. This team need a good SF for next few years. And it is very unlikely to get anyone better than Josh Howard.

Hill will be gone next season for sure, whether Barnes will stay heavily depends on money. There is no way we could offer him a lucrative contract, unless we cut down the pay roll now. He'll probably get an offer about 4M, up to MLE.

B. If we get Josh Howard, there is no point to keep both Barnes and Hill. One of them can be traded.

C. The original plan was just an initial offer. Cuban will sweeten the deal.

I think we can bargain for more than picks. I'm sure nobody has interest in Dampier, but Jason Terry is probably a great fit this Suns, and, we might like to get Barea, who is becoming a decent backup PG.

How about this: Shaq + Barbosa + Barnes or Hill, for Josh Howard + Jason Terry + Stackhouse + Barea + picks. It looks much better now?

 

[Bufalay]

Phoenix is always a popular destination. It may not be #1, but even if the team is rebuilding somewhat they'll be able to pull a few attractive free agents.

The Suns are going to need more than a few attractive men on their team!

 

[Bufalay]

Phoenix is always a popular destination. It may not be #1, but even if the team is rebuilding somewhat they'll be able to pull a few attractive free agents.

The Suns are going to need more than a few attractive men to be a successful team.

 

[Mainstreet]

The Suns aren't allowed to trade any of their first-round picks before 2012 at the earliest.

Not that the Suns would want do it, but I believe the Suns can trade their 2011 first round pick immediately after they make their selection in the 2011 NBA Draft (which could be made for another team).

 

[Bufalay]

Any further variations of this post will be added upon request.

 

[elindholm]

Not that the Suns would want do it, but I believe the Suns can trade their 2011 first round pick immediately after they make their selection in the 2011 NBA Draft (which could be made for another team).

Yes, that's true. They could also do that with their 2009 pick. I meant the earliest pick they can trade now is 2012.

 

[PhxGametime]

I could be wrong but isn't Josh Howard the guy that admits to doing weed in Off-Season?? Thats what I remember talking to a mavs fan friend and they were basically trying to give him away to Teams...


Shyeah lets Trade away one of our best players for him and a great contract in Barnes...

 

[Covert Rain]

Yes, that's true. They could also do that with their 2009 pick. I meant the earliest pick they can trade now is 2012.

Good point. In the NBA I could swear I have seen trades that include "future considerations". I wonder if committing to drafting a player on behalf of another team is allowed (leading to a draft day trade) or if that would be considered circumventing the rules.

If it is, your right...the Suns would have to wait until the season is over to make such a deal.

 

[Mainstreet]

Good point. In the NBA I could swear I have seen trades that include "future considerations". I wonder if committing to drafting a player on behalf of another team is allowed (leading to a draft day trade) or if that would be considered circumventing the rules.

If it is, your right...the Suns would have to wait until the season is over to make such a deal.

Future considerations is a category that is frequently not defined at the time a trade happens. Generally I've found it involves a second round pick that may or may not come to fruition. It seems money may be thrown in this category as well. I don't think it can include a first round draft pick involving consecutive years because that circumvents the CBA.

 

[Rab]

Do you honestly think that Howard is the "character guy" that Steve Kerr is looking to pursue here? Doubt it. Howard has a low basketball IQ, and has proven time and time again to be brainless in clutch moments of big games.

I think there is a lot of desperation amongst Suns fans that things need to change, thus making it easier for us to talk ourselves into accepting these kinds of scenarios as good for the team.

Sorry, not going for this one.

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

Trading Shaq, (an all star, a leader, a dominant force) for Josh Howard (a pot head) does nothing to improve the team and moves Shaq for pennies on the dollar.

 

[dodie53]

i know!
let's trade amare and LB to the spurs for parker and oberto.

 

[nowagimp]

Maybe because he's younger than Marion, makes less, and is signed for longer?

Or it could be that he shoots better, cant take it to the rack and defends better than shaun. Howard is a 2-3 player(he's 6'5"), and he is quick and long. Problems is the suns front line defense remains broken with this trade. The suns need a Center that can defend and hopefully shoot the J from 15 if they trade shaq. Now if they could get KT and josh howard in some kind of multi team deal, that would be different. KT sure did play well against the suns this week, he doesnt look like he's aged at all. I have no interest in stackhouse, NADA.

 

[elindholm]

Or it could be that he shoots better, cant take it to the rack and defends better than shaun. Howard is a 2-3 player(he's 6'5"), and he is quick and long.

He's listed at 6' 7". All NBA heights are inflated, but I've never seen any reason to doubt that he is about the same height as other players listed at 6' 7".

Problems is the suns front line defense remains broken with this trade. The suns need a Center that can defend and hopefully shoot the J from 15 if they trade shaq.

Well, yes, that would be lovely, but it's not happening.

Now if they could get KT and josh howard in some kind of multi team deal, that would be different.

You don't get it. This team is dead. It's time to do what you can to secure assets for the future. If O'Neal can fetch a starting-caliber player who is on a reasonable contract for a few years, it's something to consider.

I have no interest in stackhouse, NADA.

No, of course not, he's salary filler, as has already been explained about five times in this thread.

 

[TBaslim]

Trade your superstar for young players so you can trade for a superstar? Amare might have flaws, but so with this superstar "to be named later".

No - I was thinking the Larry Nance trade the Suns made back in the late 80's. Nance was the Suns biggest star (not at Amare's level, but still) - and was traded to rebuild. They got a young KJ and parts. Signed Tom Chambers. Drafted Thunder Dan, etc. Made some noise in the playoffs, kept building a good foundation, kept drafting and trading for athletic players. Had a stocked roster when Barkley and Philly finally decided to part ways. They were then able to offer the best package for Barkley, and still have a great team. He was the final piece to make a legit title run.

That's how you rebuild. Lakers did the same thing before getting Gasol (although that was unfairly one-sided). Celtics too when getting KG.

It's all about the mix and building a winning TEAM.

The Suns have to decide if Amare is part of that rebuilding plan or not. If so, great. If not, get the most possible for him in a trade.

 

[greensborohill]

I love KJ

 

[AceP]

Fans always ignore the importance of money in any trade, but it is one of the most common reason behind many deals. The Suns gave up KT for nothing, that saved the organization 9M tax. Denver traded Camby for exactly same reason.

Now we are currently slightly above tax threshold, a couple of million. You guys know banker Sarvar. I was hoping him to be more generous if this team had show contending potential. Now forget about it.

10 million US dollars is a serious offer, it is very attractive for any GM or team owner. You can do a lot with that much cash, such as buying draft picks. If u know, 2nd round normally worth 1M, 1st round 3M+, u can get a lottery one by 5M.

Shaq is certainly one of the most valuable player in this team, by trading him we hope to get good value in return. But it is just not as easy as it seems, because only contending teams would want Shaq. Look into them, u will find out only Dallas, Cleveland, and maybe Detroit in the list.

To Detroit? Hamilton or Prince, either is clearly better than Josh Howard, and put in Sheed to fill the salary, such a deal would not lower our pay roll a bit.

To Cleveland? They don't have a good G/F to offer. And I don't think Ilgauskas or Varejao is a good fit here.

There is also another important point, it is better to trade Shaq now, instead of summer. That will reduce around 10M from our pay roll of next season, give us financial flexibility in summer.

This offer from Cuban looks like a very good one already, take it or leave it. The clock is ticking, deadline is just 19 days away.

 

[elindholm]

Fans always ignore the importance of money in any trade, but it is one of the most common reason behind many deals. The Suns gave up KT for nothing, that saved the organization 9M tax. Denver traded Camby for exactly same reason.

What possible evidence do you have that anyone on this board has "ignored" the incredibly obvious point that is the center of your brilliant analysis?