Shaq for MVP!

[mojorizen7]

Hmmmmmmmmmm We are 29-6 and arguably the best team in the west and favorites to win the title without him. Your team is 21-13 and a half game from being out of the playoffs with him. Granted, he has had a great first half of the season, but lets see how that holds up. Now that he's your MVP... if you falter... MARK MY WORDS... you will see the whiney bitchy Shaq that caused nothing but dissention with his last 2 teams. Nope... not feeling the sting at all.

Congratulations on being 29-6 and a contender.
Pssst...i'm here to tell you something(conspiracy theorists listen up).
The powers that be could very well be steering this NBA ship to a LeBron vs Kobe Finals.
Guess who's turn it is to kiss the trophy and become the face of the league's future?
Kobe? Eh! Sorry try again.
Back to reality now.....or did we ever leave reality?

 

[cobbler]

I called the Cavs comming out of the east week one. The Celts aren't deep enough this year. Their bench is suspect. As for the conspiricy BS. I will leave that to you Suns fans as you have become adept at screaming it. If I actaully believed the games were rigged and Stern had all the control over the destiny of teams, I simply wouldn't be watching. No doubt Stern called Doc Rivers so he could tell his boys to start missing shots and play like crap so the Cavs can obtain the home court advantage. hahahaha Thinking the league is rigged and still supporting it with your time and money is idiotic in my eyes.

 

[arwillan]

I called the Cavs comming out of the east week one. The Celts aren't deep enough this year. Their bench is suspect. As for the conspiricy BS. I will leave that to you Suns fans as you have become adept at screaming it. If I actaully believed the games were rigged and Stern had all the control over the destiny of teams, I simply wouldn't be watching. No doubt Stern called Doc Rivers so he could tell his boys to start missing shots and play like crap so the Cavs can obtain the home court advantage. hahahaha Thinking the league is rigged and still supporting it with your time and money is idiotic in my eyes.

totally agree. lebron and kobe on track to meet each other in the finals is about the two best players on the planet leading the two best players in the league. that's all it is. boston is falling off and barely beat cleveland last year in game 7 (by 5 points) when that cavs team had just made a HUGE trade and was barely over .500 during the regular season. now that the cavs are so much improved, this is the year they knock off boston. heck, even orlando has a shot in the east this year. as a cavs fan, i worry more about matching up to orlando than i do boston.

 

[Covert Rain]

Hmmmmmmmmmm We are 29-6 and arguably the best team in the west and favorites to win the title without him. Your team is 21-13 and a half game from being out of the playoffs with him. Granted, he has had a great first half of the season, but lets see how that holds up. Now that he's your MVP... if you falter... MARK MY WORDS... you will see the whiney bitchy Shaq that caused nothing but dissention with his last 2 teams. Nope... not feeling the sting at all.

OK, so SOME bitter Laker fans are over being bitter about not winning a thing since Shaq left. Congrats on your almost title last year. Congrats on your stellar record.

Bottom line.....since Shaq leaving....Lakers = 0 & Shaq = 1.

Maybe the Lakers & Kobe will get that monkey off their backs. Until then peel your banana and enjoy the season.

PS. I can deal with a whiney bitchy Shaq if you can deal with a self centered adulterer who selfishly had a hand in breaking up a contending team.

 

[Mainstreet]

OK, so SOME bitter Laker fans are over being bitter about not winning a thing since Shaq left. Congrats on your almost title last year. Congrats on your stellar record.

Bottom line.....since Shaq leaving....Lakers = 0 & Shaq = 1.

Maybe the Lakers & Kobe will get that monkey off their backs. Until then peel your banana and enjoy the season.

PS. I can deal with a whiney bitchy Shaq if you can deal with a self centered adulterer who selfishly had a had in breaking up a contending team.

If the Suns make the playoffs the Suns do not have to play back-to-backs. The playoffs are a different animal than the regular season. I wouldn't bet against the motivation of the big guy to win another Championship.

 

[elindholm]

If I actaully believed the games were rigged and Stern had all the control over the destiny of teams, I simply wouldn't be watching.

Actually I don't watch the Cavs for this very reason. The special treatment James gets from the officials is nauseating. They actually called a travel on him a couple of games ago and he still literally can't believe it.

It's abundantly clear that Stern has decided to make James the next Jordan. I don't know exactly when the titles will start rolling in, but the system is already in place to make it as easy for him as possible.

Once Stern arranges for James to take over the league completely, I assume I will stop watching. It's already true that Cavs games are, almost always, simply too unfair to be interesting to me.

 

[cobbler]

OK, so SOME bitter Laker fans are over being bitter about not winning a thing since Shaq left. Congrats on your almost title last year. Congrats on your stellar record.

Bottom line.....since Shaq leaving....Lakers = 0 & Shaq = 1.

Maybe the Lakers & Kobe will get that monkey off their backs. Until then peel your banana and enjoy the season.

PS. I can deal with a whiney bitchy Shaq if you can deal with a self centered adulterer who selfishly had a hand in breaking up a contending team.

correction... Lakers = 0 Heat = 1... And we know who lead them to the one...and it most definetly was not Shaq.

Are you really bringing up the adultry thing AGAIN? Geeeeez. That's a long list in the NBA my friend. Kobe was one small piece in breaking up the team. His part was he was tired of playing with someone who came to camp fat and took his own agenda before the teams. ie. Not having offseason surgery. And since we need to rehash 4 year old crap again, maybe you shold get your facts straight as Dr. Buss, Phil Jackson, and even Shaq himself has said Shaq was dealt due to his demands for a ridiculous extension and had nothing to do with the Shaq/Kobe fued.

And you have the nerve to call some of us laker fans bitter? Heck, sounds like your the bitter one and it's not even the team you're a fan of.

 

[LV-Suns]

Finally figured out the function of the ignore button.

 

[Shzm13]

^Ignoring ME??

 

[Andrew]

I haven't posted in here because everyone knows my stance and knows Shaq will not win an MVP for the rest of his career. I have come to terms with it, it doesn't defeat his playing ability, he really is in it for team recognition, not self.

 

[elindholm]

I haven't posted in here because everyone knows my stance

Why don't you apply that standard to other threads?

 

[Mainstreet]

Why don't you apply that standard to other threads?

ooh, a chop block.

 

[Covert Rain]

correction... Lakers = 0 Heat = 1... And we know who lead them to the one...and it most definetly was not Shaq.

Are you really bringing up the adultry thing AGAIN? Geeeeez. That's a long list in the NBA my friend. Kobe was one small piece in breaking up the team. His part was he was tired of playing with someone who came to camp fat and took his own agenda before the teams. ie. Not having offseason surgery. And since we need to rehash 4 year old crap again, maybe you shold get your facts straight as Dr. Buss, Phil Jackson, and even Shaq himself has said Shaq was dealt due to his demands for a ridiculous extension and had nothing to do with the Shaq/Kobe fued.

And you have the nerve to call some of us laker fans bitter? Heck, sounds like your the bitter one and it's not even the team you're a fan of.

This post is pure comedy. Shaq has a ring. Sorry...FAIL. Also, if you think for one second the Heat win that title without Shaq your kidding yourself. Just like the Lakers don't win those titles without Shaq. Also, If you accumulate all the quotes from all parties involved since the Lakers breakup...you could build a waffle house.

Only one bitter party here..you my friend. I have no bitterness towards Kobe or the Lakers whatsoever. Even if I did, I wouldn't be stupid enough to let it cloud my judgement on ones contributions that one Shaq had in those titles. Yes, Shaq probably wouldn't have gotten it done without Kobe, and without Wade. Doesn't change the fact that Shaq has proved he can play with other players and get it done. What about Kobe?

Besides, If I was the bitter one, I wouldn't be able to admit that Kobe is closer then he has ever been in the post Shaq era. The Lakers are freaking stacked with talent. I thought they might get it done last year. They might get it done this year. Until then Shaq will always have one up on Kobe. Period. In fact, with all this talent the past 2 seasons and having Phil back...if Kobe doesn't get it done.....I can't wait to hear the excuses then.

 

[cobbler]

Also, if you think for one second the Heat win that title without Shaq your kidding yourself. Just like the Lakers don't win those titles without Shaq.

Never said that. I simply said the he was not the dominant factor. It was very obvious that Shaq had a less than stellar season and playoffs and Wade took them to the promised land on his shoulders. Not to mention the Mav's folding, but that's another story. Much the same way eveyone says Shaq carried everyone in the Laker years. They don't win the title with Posey, Haslem etc either. Your comment that the Lakers = 0 and Shaq = 1 without even mentioning Miami implied that is was all about Shaq. Not so. Not even close.

Also, If you accumulate all the quotes from all parties involved since the Lakers breakup...you could build a waffle house.

True. But again, your post was to imply that Kobe ran Shaq out of town because of his own selfish interests. While it no secret the two had issues, it was Shaq's ultimate lack of maturity, lack of work ethic, and lack of respect for ownership that became the prevelant reason for his being traded.

Only one bitter party here..you my friend. I have no bitterness towards Kobe or the Lakers whatsoever. Even if I did, I wouldn't be stupid enough to let it cloud my judgement on ones contributions that one Shaq had in those titles. Yes, Shaq probably wouldn't have gotten it done without Kobe, and without Wade.

Where did I ever discount the contributions Shaq had in the Laker titles? Never happened. My issues with Shaq are because we could have had more titles if he had a decent work ethic. That he could have been the best center ever but barely cracks the top 5. Shaq probably couldn't have done it without Kobe or Wade, and vise versa. Duh! You bringing up the adultry is comical to say the least. What does that have to do with basketball? Sounds a tad bitter to me.

Doesn't change the fact that Shaq has proved he can play with other players and get it done. What about Kobe?

So you are comparing the one year when Shaq played a subordinate role to Wade with teamates of Haslem, Mourning, Posey etc to one where Kobe played with the likes of Smush, Kwame, Cook etc. The same year that Kobe led the 8th seed lakers and took your Suns to a 7th game? Talk about comical. One year? Where's the proof from the Orlando days? The year after the Miami title when wade was out? The issues I have with Shaq are the larthargic efforts such as he gave to Miami that resulted in his being traded to the Suns. Followed by his bashing of the team, players on the team, and the organization.... AGAIN. If my disliking that kind of attitude and professionalism is bitterness... then feel free to call me bitter.

Besides, If I was the bitter one, I wouldn't be able to admit that Kobe is closer then he has ever been in the post Shaq era. The Lakers are freaking stacked with talent. I thought they might get it done last year. They might get it done this year. Until then Shaq will always have one up on Kobe. Period. In fact, with all this talent the past 2 seasons and having Phil back...if Kobe doesn't get it done.....I can't wait to hear the excuses then.

To be honest, I thought this was about Shaq. You are the one who brought up Kobe in the first place. Not me. You cannot count who is one up on either (as far as titles go) until their careers are done. Not really sure why it matters or why you brought it up to begin with. Oh.... yeah, because I made the comment that if the Suns falter your going to see the whiney bitchy Shaq.... that he has proven to be on the 3 previous teams he has been a member of.

BTW, I have lot's of issues with the way Kobe has handled himself over the years. He certainly has turned a lot of those around. Shaq has surprised me this year with his work ethic as well and I said so. Again, you brought the Kobe issues up when I made the comments about Shaq's proven history... to me, that sounds a little bitter. Go figure.

 

[Cheesebeef]

True. But again, your post was to imply that Kobe ran Shaq out of town because of his own selfish interests. While it no secret the two had issues, it was Shaq's ultimate lack of maturity, lack of work ethic, and lack of respect for ownership that became the prevelant reason for his being traded.

this is pure comedy. Buy/sell all the spin all you want but anyone who lived in LA knows how that all went down. Kobe positioned himself to hold LA over a barrel the moment he declined to sign a contract extension the year before he hit FA. Was Shaq immature, lack of work ethic, and lack of respect, yada, yada, yada... sure, absolutely... and none of that makes a lick of difference for a player of his stature STILL completely on top of his game and having just come off leading the team to the Finals.

Kobe held the team over a barrel and they took it. They let go of the greatest coach of all time (and really pushed him out the door) and then traded the most dominating player in the game... all within a couple weeks because Kobe had final say with FA impending. Does it look like that move has FINALLY worked out? Yeah, but to pretend he was gone because he was... well... Shaq, is pure stupidity/bitterness.

 

[cobbler]

this is pure comedy. Buy/sell all the spin all you want but anyone who lived in LA knows how that all went down. Kobe positioned himself to hold LA over a barrel the moment he declined to sign a contract extension the year before he hit FA. Was Shaq immature, lack of work ethic, and lack of respect, yada, yada, yada... sure, absolutely... and none of that makes a lick of difference for a player of his stature STILL completely on top of his game and having just come off leading the team to the Finals.

Kobe held the team over a barrel and they took it. They let go of the greatest coach of all time (and really pushed him out the door) and then traded the most dominating player in the game... all within a couple weeks because Kobe had final say with FA impending. Does it look like that move has FINALLY worked out? Yeah, but to pretend he was gone because he was... well... Shaq, is pure stupidity/bitterness.

Well, seeing as how I personally heard it out of the mouth of Dr. Buss I'll take his word for it over yours. Shaq sealed his fate in the preseason as he ran down the court in front of the media screaming "pay me the money". Had he agreed to the amount he settled for with Miami, instead of the ridiculous extension he was demanding, he would have remained a Laker regardless of anything Kobe did. It was a financial decision. Do you pay the out of shape poor work ethic guy 30 mil a year or the hardest working player in the game who is 5 years younger 20 mil? Hmmmmmm Again, I asked Dr Buss personally, and I believe the answer he gave me. You can believe what you choose.

 

[Cheesebeef]

whatever schmuck. yeah, I don't even need to read what cobbler just said in order to completely invalidate his opinion while calling him a schmuck. and why? you've said you've always hated Shaq even when he was on the Lakers so why in the world would you possibly have ANY kind of objectivity... after he left the Lakers... and won a title afterwards? You wouldn't... because you're an idiot.

Cards in a rout!

 

[cobbler]

whatever schmuck. yeah, I don't even need to read what cobbler just said in order to completely invalidate his opinion while calling him a schmuck. and why? you've said you've always hated Shaq even when he was on the Lakers so why in the world would you possibly have ANY kind of objectivity... after he left the Lakers... and won a title afterwards? You wouldn't... because you're an idiot.

Cards in a rout!

Ohhhh I am so hurt!!! Cheesy insulted me. Whatever shall I do now? Let me think if I care for your validation.... hmmmmmmmmm

 

[Covert Rain]

this is pure comedy. Buy/sell all the spin all you want but anyone who lived in LA knows how that all went down. Kobe positioned himself to hold LA over a barrel the moment he declined to sign a contract extension the year before he hit FA. Was Shaq immature, lack of work ethic, and lack of respect, yada, yada, yada... sure, absolutely... and none of that makes a lick of difference for a player of his stature STILL completely on top of his game and having just come off leading the team to the Finals.

Kobe held the team over a barrel and they took it. They let go of the greatest coach of all time (and really pushed him out the door) and then traded the most dominating player in the game... all within a couple weeks because Kobe had final say with FA impending. Does it look like that move has FINALLY worked out? Yeah, but to pretend he was gone because he was... well... Shaq, is pure stupidity/bitterness.

Very well said.....and you didn't have to allegedly here it from Dr. Buss. LMAO.

In fact, it's so well known that the breakup was caused by Shaq, it's coach made the following quotes:

"it was a psychological war"
"I don't believe we developed enough trust between us to win a championship."
"I won't coach this team next year if he is still here. He won't listen to anyone."
"It was not the first time Jackson requested the team trade him. He sought to trade him to the Phoenix Suns for Jason Kidd and Shawn Marion in the 1999-00 season"
"Jackson wrote that "playerX" was angry that "Player Y" received allowances from the Lakers organization, but that "nobody this year, or in any year I've coached, has received more 'allowances' than Player X."
"Player X" complained about the kind of plane he was given to fly to Colorado, Jackson wrote, adding "He should feel fortunate that he's not footing the bill himself."
"Player X" told Jackson that "Player Y's" presence on the team would affect his decision to stay with the Lakers, adding, "I'm tired of being a sidekick," Jackson wrote.

Damn that Shaq and all those things above. What a malcontent...........wait......my bad....Phil said all those things about Kobe.

What did Phil have to say about Shaq then?

"Jackson said he had run-ins with O'Neal as well but that coaching him was "an experience I will cherish forever."

Yep.....no doubt Shaq caused the breakup. After all Dr. Buss said so to you personally no less.

 

[cobbler]

Well, even your beloved Shaqtus agreed and said so... Go figure!


Kobe tells the LA Times:

"Their trying to put this Shaq stuff on me is [wrong]," he told The Times. "Jerry Buss told me he didn't want to pay Shaq $30 million a year. I, not once — not once — went to them and said, 'Trade Shaq or else.' "
"I've heard many people say 'the Lakers are letting Kobe take the bullet for the Shaq trade' but I always just let that go. But now when I hear 'Lakers insider' it makes me feel so unsupported that a Lakers 'insider' is tryin' to spin Dr. Buss' decision about Shaq on me."
​

In a strange plot twist that could only happen in Hollywood, former teammate and enemy Shaq has come to the aid of Kobe. Stephen A. stopped eating his cheese doodles and made a call to the big man, who had this to offer:

"I believe Kobe 100 percent," said O'Neal, reached yesterday while in Los Angeles on business. "Absolutely. There's no doubt in my mind Kobe is telling the truth. I believe him a thousand percent. I would have respected Dr. Buss more as a man if he would have told me that himself, because I know he said it. But he didn't [tell me]. He never said a damn word to me."
​

 

[Covert Rain]

Well, even your beloved Shaqtus agreed and said so... Go figure!


Kobe tells the LA Times:

"Their trying to put this Shaq stuff on me is [wrong]," he told The Times. "Jerry Buss told me he didn't want to pay Shaq $30 million a year. I, not once — not once — went to them and said, 'Trade Shaq or else.' "
"I've heard many people say 'the Lakers are letting Kobe take the bullet for the Shaq trade' but I always just let that go. But now when I hear 'Lakers insider' it makes me feel so unsupported that a Lakers 'insider' is tryin' to spin Dr. Buss' decision about Shaq on me."
​

In a strange plot twist that could only happen in Hollywood, former teammate and enemy Shaq has come to the aid of Kobe. Stephen A. stopped eating his cheese doodles and made a call to the big man, who had this to offer:

"I believe Kobe 100 percent," said O'Neal, reached yesterday while in Los Angeles on business. "Absolutely. There's no doubt in my mind Kobe is telling the truth. I believe him a thousand percent. I would have respected Dr. Buss more as a man if he would have told me that himself, because I know he said it. But he didn't [tell me]. He never said a damn word to me."
​

You can take anything said since then with a grain of salt and you know it. Shaq and Kobe reconciled and so did Phil and the Lakers. As stated before, there has been a ton of waffling on all parties since the reconciliations took place.

Sorry but I will take Phil Jacksons word at the time versus a revisionist history based on reconsilitory gestures on everyone's part.

LMAO.

 

[cobbler]

You can take anything said since then with a grain of salt and you know it. Shaq and Kobe reconciled and so did Phil and the Lakers. As stated before, there has been a ton of waffling on all parties since the reconciliations took place.

Sorry but I will take Phil Jacksons word at the time versus a revisionist history based on reconsilitory gestures on everyone's part.

LMAO.

hehehehe Classic! Well, I'll take what I was told personally which is supported by Jerry's, Kobe's, and Shaq's revisionist comments when directly aslked over that of of PJ's comments in a book which "at the time" was released after his firing. Yeah, that's gotta be an objective "at the time" comment.

 

[Bufalay]

Why the hell is this still a topic of discussion? Who cares about Kobe and Shaq?

 

[Covert Rain]

hehehehe Classic! Well, I'll take what I was told personally which is supported by Jerry's, Kobe's, and Shaq's revisionist comments when directly aslked over that of of PJ's comments in a book which "at the time" was released after his firing. Yeah, that's gotta be an objective "at the time" comment.

More hilarious by the minute. Talk about revisionist history. So now Phil was fired? Classic. Oh and I guess its customary to offer the employee you fired another position in the organization at the time.

I wonder why Dr. Buss didn't share that with you. LMAO.

Not to mention it makes sooooo much sense that Phil would target his anger over parting ways with the Lakers at Kobe versus the entire organization or Shaq.
I didn't realize Kobe was signing Phil's paycheck. My bad.

 

[cobbler]

More hilarious by the minute. Talk about revisionist history. So now Phil was fired? Classic. Oh and I guess its customary to offer the employee you fired another position in the organization at the time.

I wonder why Dr. Buss didn't share that with you. LMAO.

Not to mention it makes sooooo much sense that Phil would target his anger over parting ways with the Lakers at Kobe versus the entire organization or Shaq.
I didn't realize Kobe was signing Phil's paycheck. My bad.

You are really stretching now. Fired, relieved from his coaching positon, not retatined as coach, WHATEVER you want to call it. PJ was NOT happy about it and it took him totally by surprise. No matter what other position he was later offered, he was most definetly let go as the coach ie. FIRED. There is no shortage of articles or sportcasts that referred to PJ's removal as his being fired either. What an absurd post.

And PJ's comments in the book were related to Kobe's being uncoachable and his asking the management to trade him. Had nothing to do with retaining Shaq or Shaq's extension demands which were absurd.

And yes, many companies fire personel from their positions and offer them lesser roles.

BTW, where is the link from your last post? Since I didn't read it I have to ask... Did you remove it because it actually proved you wrong?