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devilfan02 said:
All indications point towards the Dbacks paying half of next years salary. Supposedly Green wo.uld wave his no trade as well so its up to NYM. IMO, the Mets don't have much interest in him and think he wouldn't be an upgrade over their current situation

I had heard that they are waiting to see how Cliff Floyd's situation is expected to be before they make a decision.
 

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Well if Quentin doesn't quit hacking away at every pitch, or at the least, the first pitch he sees, Green's patience at the plate may seem more and more appealing.
Apparently from what I have heard, this was a problem for him in Tucson as well. Does anyone know his K/BB ratio?
 

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Well if Quentin doesn't quit hacking away at every pitch, or at the least, the first pitch he sees, Green's patience at the plate may seem more and more appealing.
Apparently from what I have heard, this was a problem for him in Tucson as well. Does anyone know his K/BB ratio?
45 walks and 46 K's in 318 AB's this season at AAA Tucson.
 

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45 walks and 46 K's in 318 AB's this season at AAA Tucson.
In the bigs this season he is 6/12, or 12 SOs for his 6 walks in 60 plate appearances, which in actuality isn't that bad. As a rookie who doesn't know the pitchers and hasn't had to face this quality as of yet, he can even be given some slack. I was going to post that it couldn't be worse than Gonzo, but I looked first and was very surprised at the numbers. Gonzos BB/K ratio this year is 55/39, very good and the ONLY (minus pitchers and Hairston) player on the roster with a positive (or I should say > 1) ratio of BB/K. As a comparison, Tracy is 40/106 - by far the worst on the team - and Jackson is 44/53, second best on the team (quick glance, could be wrong). Tracy strikes out nearly 25% of his official at-bats (104 in 461 AB) which is allowing for nothing to happen an awful lot.
 
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45 walks and 46 K's in 318 AB's this season at AAA Tucson.

Not to mention that he totaled 72 (I believe that is the correct total) HBP in 2005 and 2004. Q just needs time to adjust to the Majors. I think we are all expecting way too much from him since he came right up to the bigs during a hot streak and tore it up. He will be a good outfielder (much better than Green right now) but will not put up numbers that reflect his torrid start.
 

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You do have to separate out Gonzo's IBB -- that will drop as he becomes less feared, and has little to do with patience at the plate. Not saying he isn't fairly patient -- he can be at times. Then again, CQ's OBP was always inflated by his tremendous HBP numbers.

All the minor league scouting reviews of CQ said he will develop as a real power bat over a few years in the majors, and will likely have a little more patience than a protoype 'slugger.' He hit some of the longest balls in local recent memory in each of his minor league stops. The risk I see is the continuing praise and reinforcement at the big club level for 'aggressiveness' at the plate. Gawd, I hate that.
 

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Green's status remains unclear

Green's status remains unclear
Possibilities for veteran include trade, platoon

Bob McManaman
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Aug. 16, 2006 12:00 AM


DENVER - Shawn Green is healthy, yet for the second straight game the right fielder was out of the Diamondbacks starting lineup, fueling speculation he might be on his last leg in Arizona or, at the very least, on the verge of a platoon situation with rookie Carlos Quentin.

And it could be just the beginning as the Diamondbacks switch into more of a youth movement but with eyes still on October.

"We've got a lot of good players, but the younger players are going to play because we believe they can perform right now," General Manager Josh Byrnes said, echoing comments earlier Tuesday from manager Bob Melvin.

Green met with Melvin before Tuesday's game at Coors Field, and Green clearly wasn't happy.

"Am I surprised? Yeah, I'm a little surprised," Green said. "I don't think there's anything that needs to be read into it. The direction they want to go is pretty clear."

Melvin said his primary reason for giving Green consecutive days off was to give him a mental break from the rumors and reports that have him being dealt to the Mets in what basically amounts to a salary dump and a way to open regular playing time for Quentin.

"It's difficult enough to play this game without any distractions," Melvin said, "but I thought a couple days might do him good. You think about these things a little bit because a lot has been written about it, but there's really nothing to be read.

"Carlos is going to play some, but 'Greenie' is as well. He'll be back in there (today). I just thought with the intensity of the last couple days, it might do him a little bit of good. He might not agree with me, but that was part of the thinking."

As for the potential trade to the Mets, Green reiterated he still has not been presented with anything specific by the Diamondbacks, who would need to consult with him because he has a no-trade clause involving every club except the Padres, Giants and Angels.

"Until I'm presented anything, it's unrealistic to make a statement," Green said.

When asked if changing teams to the National League's front-runners in the Mets, who have a chance to potentially go deep into the playoffs, Green said, "Obviously, that's a big perk. But it's something me and my family are going to have to discuss."

Green apparently has cleared waivers and the Diamondbacks could broker a deal with any team interested in the 12-year veteran, who was hitting .281 with 10 homers and 49 RBIs, entering Tuesday. Though the Mets have made the most contact, a trade wasn't seen as imminent.

Juggling playing time is, however. Quentin collected 17 RBIs through his first 54 at-bats and will continue to get opportunities .

"Carlos has been very, very productive form the very start," Melvin said, "whether it's starting or coming off the bench."

Green may get some time by spelling rookie Conor Jackson at first base, which he has done since veteran Tony Clark went on the disabled list a month ago.

"Sitting isn't obviously a scenario I want to be in," Green said. "We're playing against teams I'm familiar with and that (not playing) makes it obviously frustrating."

Melvin said he's counting on both veterans and young players to help Arizona make a run at the postseason.

"The connotation has always been that the veterans are the guys that play down the stretch," he said, "but I think you're seeing it handled a little bit differently the past couple years... It's changed a little bit."
 

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AZZenny said:
You do have to separate out Gonzo's IBB -- that will drop as he becomes less feared, and has little to do with patience at the plate. Not saying he isn't fairly patient -- he can be at times. Then again, CQ's OBP was always inflated by his tremendous HBP numbers.

All the minor league scouting reviews of CQ said he will develop as a real power bat over a few years in the majors, and will likely have a little more patience than a protoype 'slugger.' He hit some of the longest balls in local recent memory in each of his minor league stops. The risk I see is the continuing praise and reinforcement at the big club level for 'aggressiveness' at the plate. Gawd, I hate that.
Gonzo has six IBB's this year, which would still make for a 39:49 K:BB ratio if you wanted to take those out.
 

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WOW -- is that all? OK, my inattentiveness to his actual stats! I guess he already has become less feared.
 

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coyoteshockeyfan said:
Gonzo has six IBB's this year, which would still make for a 39:49 K:BB ratio if you wanted to take those out.
Which is still the best on the team by quite a ways. I wish he hadn't of said those things about getting playing time as it kind of soured me towards him. He is obviously still important to the team but he doesn't seem to be worried much about the team.

But since this thread is about Green - he needs to be traded for next year's benefit, not really this years. The outfield is already too crowded so we won't get any new blood in with or without Green around. Perhaps some spot duty for Young when rosters expand?
 

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AZZenny said:
WOW -- is that all? OK, my inattentiveness to his actual stats! I guess he already has become less feared.

The real blow was the other night when they walked Hudson to pitch to Gonzo and he laid an egg.
 

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The real blow was the other night when they walked Hudson to pitch to Gonzo and he laid an egg.

That was simply embarrassing. You can say they wanted a lefty on lefty matchup but give me a break. He's not feared, not even close
 

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devilfan02 said:
That was simply embarrassing. You can say they wanted a lefty on lefty matchup but give me a break. He's not feared, not even close

Right now Gonzo's an average hitter and a below average fielder. I hope he has a few more good games like tonight to finish out his career as a Dback.

It will be interesting to see if he hangs it up or tries to catch on with another team next year.
 

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devilalum said:
Right now Gonzo's an average hitter and a below average fielder. I hope he has a few more good games like tonight to finish out his career as a Dback.

It will be interesting to see if he hangs it up or tries to catch on with another team next year.

He's def not retiring. I can very easily seeing the him taking a paycut to play here next year. Not saying the FO will do it but I just see Gonzo doing everything he can to stay here. If we buy him out, someone will pick him up for sure. Hopefully he can finish this year hot
 

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Do you think we waited until Green's upper deck shot landed to get the Mets on the phone last night? :)
 

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8-21-06: Mets' GM Omar Minaya has also made progress in importing Shawn Green from Arizona to play right field, The Post has learned. Green has decided to waive his no-trade clause to join the Mets if a deal can be finalized. With this huge obstacle definitively out of the way, the largest barrier separating Green from Shea now is figuring out how much of Green's contract the Diamondbacks would pay in a deal, according to sources. Green is making $8 million this year and is due $9.5 million next season. In 2008, he has a $10 million team option. If that is not picked up, he is owed $2 million.
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Espo said:
8-21-06: Mets' GM Omar Minaya has also made progress in importing Shawn Green from Arizona to play right field, The Post has learned. Green has decided to waive his no-trade clause to join the Mets if a deal can be finalized. With this huge obstacle definitively out of the way, the largest barrier separating Green from Shea now is figuring out how much of Green's contract the Diamondbacks would pay in a deal, according to sources. Green is making $8 million this year and is due $9.5 million next season. In 2008, he has a $10 million team option. If that is not picked up, he is owed $2 million.
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:rockon: Get errr done!
 

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RedStripe27 said:
Over/Under $7mil of Green's contract that we have to eat?

I say over, but hopefully not too much.

I would say under by a bit. Sounds like we'd have to eat half the $9.5 mill which would be $4.75 mill, the $2 million buyout, and a little bit for the rest of this season. Hopefully Byrnes can get the Mets to spit the $2 million buyout as well. If that's the case, the over/under would drop a bit
 

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Ha sBatista cleared waivers?

If so i say we package him and Green and get a pitcher like Bannister with the Mets need for pitching with Glavine down.....
 

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Ha sBatista cleared waivers?

If so i say we package him and Green and get a pitcher like Bannister with the Mets need for pitching with Glavine down.....
I'd want a whole lot more for Batista than Bannister...
 

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I'd want a whole lot more for Batista than Bannister...

No way they trade Batista. This team is still fighting for a playoff spot.
 

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I hope we resign Batista. Unlikely but I think he would be a great end of the rotation starter for us next year
 
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