Should Dennis Green coach this team next year?

[LVCARDFREAK]

try the 2-14 Bengals who were terribel under Dick Lebeau The next year under their new coach are a very respectable 8-8.

Or a very Bad Dallas team that had about 4 wins the year before Parcells gets there. The VERY NEXT year they are 10-6 and in the playoffs.

There are many more examples King.

Also Denny gets no breathing room like he needs three years thats just a piss poor excuse to justify his TERRIBLE ON FIELD COACHING BLUNDERS!

The Bengals and Cowboys had startd their turnarounds prior to hiring Parcells and Lewis and you know it.

Cowboys were one year removed from having the #1 overall ranked defense int he NFL and the Bengals, under Lebeau had gone from 25th in the league in Defense to 11th.

These two comparisons arent even valid. These teams were head and shoulders farther along then the Cards....What kind of shape did Mac leave this team in?

 

[KingofCards]

Prior to Marvin Lewis they were not. They were considered by most to be the most inept franchise in football until the last three years.

Except for the Cardinals.

 

[Russ Smith]

Sorry Russ but that is just plain dumb.

Let DG go so we can get someone who will take the job because, "eh NFL coaching jobs are rare, and I am desperate"

Green wasn't the only guy who wanted this job 2 years ago. There's more talent here now, and we have a new stadium. You seriously think Bidwill will be unable to find a viable NFL coach?

AGain. we're not going to have our pick of the litter we're going to have to hire a guy whon is looking for a shot, you know like Tony Dungy was before Tampa hired him, like Marvin lewis was before Cincy hired him. Both are perfect examples of guys who took "lousy" jobs because they were desperate to be NFL coaches.

You have to find the right guy amongst those candidates. There's no guarantee, but at least you get a coach who actually appreciates the chance he's getting and will put out the effort. Green is half assing his way through this job.

 

[Brian]

Why keep him using the logic that "it will take 3-4 more years for another coach to turn this around"?

Yes, it may take another coach a few years to turn this around, but how many more losing seasons do we have to have under Denny before we take that step?

Stop the bleeding now, cut your losses and move on.

We just got embarrassed by the Houston-friggin'-Texans.

Denny is an inept moron, who hires moron assistants out of friendship instead of resume.

He has to go.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

Prior to Marvin Lewis they were not. They were considered by most to be the most inept franchise in football until the last three years.

Not even close...check out my other post. they had had 3 good drafts and had improved dramatically on defense prior to letting Lebeau go...Their offense was horrible though.

As an overall franchise, the Bengals are/where/is much farther along than the Cards have ever been.

 

[Shane]

The Bengals and Cowboys had startd their turnarounds prior to hiring Parcells and Lewis and you know it.

Cowboys were one year removed from having the #1 overall ranked defense int he NFL and the Bengals, under Lebeau had gone from 25th in the league in Defense to 11th.

These two comparisons arent even valid. These teams were head and shoulders farther along then the Cards....What kind of shape did Mac leave this team in?

There absolutely valid. You just dont like them because it doesnt fit your support denny for coach personna. To say that the Bengals were rebuilding under Lebeau is downright laughable.

The personnel turnaround on the Cowboys when Parcells took over was pretty dramatic.

 

[Russ Smith]

The Bengals and Cowboys had startd their turnarounds prior to hiring Parcells and Lewis and you know it.

Cowboys were one year removed from having the #1 overall ranked defense int he NFL and the Bengals, under Lebeau had gone from 25th in the league in Defense to 11th.

These two comparisons arent even valid. These teams were head and shoulders farther along then the Cards....What kind of shape did Mac leave this team in?

The Bengals started their turnaround by getting the worst record and thus the first pick?

Cowboys yes, Bengals no, they were at rock bottom when Lewis took over.

 

[BigRedFan]

I didnt see this game but I have a good enough idea. I say no, the team has regressed, the only bright point was the passing trio, but we already knew they were good, the team is weak in nearly all other areas (except kicking), looks consistently unprepared, this despite having a lot of potential and looking good on paper. Many players, as we know have left the Cardinals and become successful. I dont think it's lack of talent (perhaps this was more so during the Mac era), but I think coaching is a large part of it.

 

[Shane]

Not even close...check out my other post. they had had 3 good drafts and had improved dramatically on defense prior to letting Lebeau go...Their offense was horrible though.

As an overall franchise, the Bengals are/where/is much farther along than the Cards have ever been.

Well we will have to agree to disagree.

 

[KingofCards]

try the 2-14 Bengals who were terribel under Dick Lebeau The next year under their new coach are a very respectable 8-8.

Or a very Bad Dallas team that had about 4 wins the year before Parcells gets there. The VERY NEXT year they are 10-6 and in the playoffs.

There are many more examples King.

Also Denny gets no breathing room like he needs three years thats just a piss poor excuse to justify his TERRIBLE ON FIELD COACHING BLUNDERS!

Those teams do not compare to the absolute ineptness of the Cardinals. That Dallas team that had 4 wins was not VERY bad. Comparing Dallas to the Cards is a joke. Players want to come and play for Dallas, Dallas has billions of dollars at their disposal.

Anyone that thought Dennis Green was going to come in here and rebuild the Cards in two years had unreasonable expectations.

 

[Shane]

Those teams do not compare to the absolute ineptness of the Cardinals. That Dallas team that had 4 wins was not VERY bad. Comparing Dallas to the Cards is a joke. Players want to come and play for Dallas, Dallas has billions of dollars at their disposal.

Anyone that though Dennis Green was going to come in here and rebuild the Cards in two years had unreasonable expectations.

Far from unreasonable. And you guys thinking the Bungals as they were known league wide wasnt every bit as inept as this franchise is comedy at its finest.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

Green wasn't the only guy who wanted this job 2 years ago. There's more talent here now, and we have a new stadium. You seriously think Bidwill will be unable to find a viable NFL coach?

AGain. we're not going to have our pick of the litter we're going to have to hire a guy whon is looking for a shot, you know like Tony Dungy was before Tampa hired him, like Marvin lewis was before Cincy hired him. Both are perfect examples of guys who took "lousy" jobs because they were desperate to be NFL coaches.

You have to find the right guy amongst those candidates. There's no guarantee, but at least you get a coach who actually appreciates the chance he's getting and will put out the effort. Green is half assing his way through this job.

Maybe, but I doubt it. Lovie Smith, Marvin Lewis, Tony Dungy werent 'desperate" to get coachign jobs. Fact is that all three of them and you can throw in Billick as awell, were touted for years as being "head coach" material, and everytime you watched any one of their teams play all you heard about was "How this guy deserves a shot at being a HC"

Who is that guy right now? seriously, who is the 1-2 guys that everyone is saying "should get a shot atbeing a HC?" I dont know of any. Thats my concern. You want to throw the baby out with the bathwater then hire an obscure DC from some team just becasue we are desperate for a coach?

I dont liek the idea one bit...sorry!

 

[Russ Smith]

Those teams do not compare to the absolute ineptness of the Cardinals. That Dallas team that had 4 wins was not VERY bad. Comparing Dallas to the Cards is a joke. Players want to come and play for Dallas, Dallas has billions of dollars at their disposal.

Anyone that though Dennis Green was going to come in here and rebuild the Cards in two years had unreasonable expectations.

Well Dennis Green himself thought he was going to do that so what does that say about his expectations?

Back to Cincy they were 2-14 the year before Lewis took over, 28th in scoring offense, dead last in scoring defense. Anybody want to argue they were in dramatically better position than we are?

 

[Shane]

Lets not forget just how many experts in the NFL and out of it were picking the Cards to actually win the division this year. All of them saying we had the talent to do so. Hmmm must be the coaching.

Bottom line is you cant even begin to defend how his players show up unprepared for team like the Texans. Nor can you defend his many BAD BAD BAD on field in game decisions.

 

[Russ Smith]

Maybe, but I doubt it. Lovie Smith, Marvin Lewis, Tony Dungy werent 'desperate" to get coachign jobs. Fact is that all three of them and you can throw in Billick as awell, were touted for years as being "head coach" material, and everytime you watched any one of their teams play all you heard about was "How this guy deserves a shot at being a HC"

Who is that guy right now? seriously, who is the 1-2 guys that everyone is saying "should get a shot atbeing a HC?" I dont know of any. Thats my concern. You want to throw the baby out with the bathwater then hire an obscure DC from some team just becasue we are desperate for a coach?

I dont liek the idea one bit...sorry!

They were all desperate because Dungy and Lewis kept interviewing and not getting hired. We all heard Dungy wasn't outspoken enough, lewis was a great DC but not a HC etc. If they weren't desperate why did they take such lousy jobs? Why didn't they take a job with a better franchise? Because they couldn't get a shot.

the irony is Green helped Dungy get his job in Tampa.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

There absolutely valid. You just dont like them because it doesnt fit your support denny for coach personna. To say that the Bengals were rebuilding under Lebeau is downright laughable.

The personnel turnaround on the Cowboys when Parcells took over was pretty dramatic.

You havent been reading Shane....Go check the stats, yes the Bengals were horrible on offense but defensively they were much further along. They got the #1 pick coz they couldnt score on anyone.

It doesntmatter, to suggest either of these teams were as in as bad a shape as the Cards is what is downright laughable....who were our starting QB, TE, DE/DT, CB's under Mac again?

 

[Brian]

Those teams do not compare to the absolute ineptness of the Cardinals. That Dallas team that had 4 wins was not VERY bad. Comparing Dallas to the Cards is a joke. Players want to come and play for Dallas, Dallas has billions of dollars at their disposal.

Anyone that thought Dennis Green was going to come in here and rebuild the Cards in two years had unreasonable expectations.

I didn't think we'd be making a run at the Superbowl, but it wsn't unreasonable to expect that after 30 games as head coach we'd be losing to the Texans. Embarrassed by them actually.

If Denny showed ANY signs of being competent I'd be all for him staying, but there is just example after example of his stupidity.

That stupidity isn't going to go away next year or any other year.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

The Dallas comparison is stupid. They have always been the premiere franchise in the NFL even when they weren't geting the wins. Cincy is applicable, but they were fortunate enough to land a franchise QB and there was Pro Bowl talent in Rudi Johnson already on the roster.

DG has been a bust so far. His bungling of the offensive line and more importantly the QB and RB positions is why his ass belongs on the hot seat.

 

[Shane]

Well Dennis Green himself thought he was going to do that so what does that say about his expectations?

Back to Cincy they were 2-14 the year before Lewis took over, 28th in scoring offense, dead last in scoring defense. Anybody want to argue they were in dramatically better position than we are?

Heres the stats for you John!

 

[KingofCards]

Far from unreasonable. And you guys thinking the Bungals as they were known league wide wasnt every bit as inept as this franchise is comedy at its finest.

The Cardinals can't hold the Bengals jock. All you have to see is 2 Super Bowl appearances to realize that.

If you don't recall the Cardinals, just 2 years stopped screwing around with contracts and joined the rest of the league in the 21st century. No bells and whistles, no injury waiver.... and on and on.

Obviously you had unreasonable expectations, if you didn't we wouldn't be having this conversation.

You can't start over every 2 years. You gonna bring the next guy in here and say you have 2 years to win or you are fired????????

 

[Shane]

The Dallas comparison is stupid. They have always been the premiere franchise in the NFL even when they weren't geting the wins. Cincy is applicable, but they were fortunate enough to land a franchise QB and there was Pro Bowl talent in Rudi Johnson already on the roster.

DG has been a bust so far. His bungling of the offensive line and more importantly the QB and RB positions is why his ass belongs on the hot seat.

We had pro-bowl talent already on the roster as well. So not really a valid comparison. They werent fortunate they were smart enough to take Palmer. What did we do? Draft Green childhood friend instead of a franchise QB when we already had a pro-bowl #1WR on the roster.

 

[Shane]

The Cardinals can't hold the Bengals jock. All you have to see is 2 Super Bowl appearances to realize that.

If you don't recall the Cardinals, just 2 years stopped screwing around with contracts and joined the rest of the league in the 21st century. No bells and whistles, no injury waiver.... and on and on.

Obviously you had unreasonable expectations, if you didn't we wouldn't be having this conversation.

You can't start over every 2 years. You gonna bring the next guy in here and say you have 2 years to win or you are fired????????

Yea thats nice knig live in the now. Saying the SB appearance are relevant is like saying the CArdinals NFL championship in the 40 is relevant. The Bengals were the worst team in football over a 15 year period. there record and mnagement decision during that time prove it.

 

[KingofCards]

I didn't think we'd be making a run at the Superbowl, but it wsn't unreasonable to expect that after 30 games as head coach we'd be losing to the Texans. Embarrassed by them actually.

If Denny showed ANY signs of being competent I'd be all for him staying, but there is just example after example of his stupidity.

That stupidity isn't going to go away next year or any other year.

Why is everyone saying it will set us back 3-4 years if we change coaches now? The new coach gets 3-4 years, but Denny gets 2?

Makes no sense.

 

[Shane]

Why is everyone saying it will set us back 3-4 years if we change coaches now? The new coach gets 3-4 years, but Denny gets 2?

Makes no sense.

Still waiting for you to justify Greens on field in game decisions?

 

[Evil Ash]

He gets one more year, if they have a losing season he's gone. Its that simple

Those that think we are still going to pick a franchise QB in the first round are seriously fooling themselves