Should Dennis Green coach this team next year?

[Shogun]

We COULD go after Kirk Ferentz (Iowa), but I'd doubt he'd want to come here.

 

[KingofCards]

Still waiting for you to justify Greens on field in game decisions?

Hope your sitting down, cause I never said I was going to do that.

 

[jmt]

I want Denny back two years is not enough time to rebuild this mess and we have some good players. So there.

 

[Brian]

Why is everyone saying it will set us back 3-4 years if we change coaches now? The new coach gets 3-4 years, but Denny gets 2?

Makes no sense.

I don't think it will set us back 3-4 years. I would just give a coach a 3-4 year contract and if in two years he shows that he is inept as Denny he gets the boot also.

My point is I don't think there is any reason to believe he can turn this around. Not next year or ten years from now. I don't believe he is a good coach.

 

[KingofCards]

He gets one more year, if they have a losing season he's gone. Its that simple

Those that think we are still going to pick a franchise QB in the first round are seriously fooling themselves

I totally agree!

He loses next year fire his ass. Hell if he starts out losing in the first half of next year fire his ass.

 

[Denny Green Fan]

Why keep him using the logic that "it will take 3-4 more years for another coach to turn this around"?

Yes, it may take another coach a few years to turn this around, but how many more losing seasons do we have to have under Denny before we take that step?

Stop the bleeding now, cut your losses and move on.

We just got embarrassed by the Houston-friggin'-Texans.

Denny is an inept moron, who hires moron assistants out of friendship instead of resume.

He has to go.

You make a strong point

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

We had Pro Bowl talent that included Anquan Boldin and...? Too bad WR is a position that touches the ball around eight times per game. They had Pro Bowl talent at RB and on the offensive line. It also didn't hurt that Paul Taglibue went to the Bengals ownership and demanded they stay the hell away from the operations of the team. Tags should have done that to the Bidwills years ago.

Marvin Lewis also got rid off Takeo Spikes and Corey DIllon, two semi-annual Pro Bowlers. I wonder how those cuts would have been treated here considering scrubs like LJ Shelton, Levar Woods, and Pete Kendall are all bemoaned when they got sent packing.

 

[KingofCards]

I don't think it will set us back 3-4 years. I would just give a coach a 3-4 year contract and if in two years he shows that he is inept as Denny he gets the boot also.

My point is I don't think there is any reason to believe he can turn this around. Not next year or ten years from now. I don't believe he is a good coach.

I wonder if Mac will come back, because only someone of his ilk would accept that contract.

"You have two years to rebuild the Arizona Cardinals or you are fired!"

"Uh, no thanks."

 

[dogpoo32]

I say we let him handle the draft... then fire him.

I voted No. He obviously has no idea about anything other than finding talent. He pisses me off to no end and I'm tired of him blowing smoke up our/the Bidwill's asses. Get someone in here who cares and motivates his players to care. Adios Denny... Chump.

 

[Shane]

Hope your sitting down, cause I never said I was going to do that.

Your defending him. So defend those> Defend not going to a hurry up Offense today?

Defend him letting the O coordinator call a sweep on fourth and goal at the four to Shipp our slowest RB?

Defend us being at the 30-35 three times the last two years and punting when we have the strongest legged kicker in the NFL and only being a 50-52 yard attempt?

Explain his terribly decision making in challenging plays costing this team many costly timeouts?

Defend how his teams show up mentally for games such as todays?

I could go on and on and on?

 

[Denny Green Fan]

Valid point the poll should probably be posted later next week when people aren't so mad.

THe reason I used so few words in posting it was to try and avoid jading peoples opinion but minutes after this loss the poll IS pretty meaningless.

I am going to vote no all week

 

[kerouac9]

The Dallas comparison is stupid. They have always been the premiere franchise in the NFL even when they weren't geting the wins. Cincy is applicable, but they were fortunate enough to land a franchise QB and there was Pro Bowl talent in Rudi Johnson already on the roster.

DG has been a bust so far. His bungling of the offensive line and more importantly the QB and RB positions is why his ass belongs on the hot seat.

Has Denny Green been a bust? I mean, we had to convince ourselves that we had playoff talent though the preseason, because under Mac, the season was essentially over after we screwed the pooch on another draft. With Denny, I think that we have Pro Bowl talent at multiple positions and don't have to convince ourselves that we have a competitive roster.

I agree that Denny's bungling of the O-line and QB positions deserves to land him on the hot seat. Anything less than a 9-7 season next year is unacceptable. But he doesn't deserve to be fired after he lost his best defensive player and #1 draft pick for over half the season.

 

[Brian]

I wonder if Mac will come back, because only someone of his ilk would except that contract.

"You have two years to rebuild the Arizona Cardinals or you are fired!"

"Uh, no thanks."

That's not what I meant. I meant if there was SOME sign of improvement, some sign of hope for the future.

I could have dealt with 7-9 this year if the team looked like a real NFL franchise.

The team has beat the lowly 49'ers twice, Tenn, and St. Louis. ugh.

 

[az jam]

I voted yes. Makes no sense to take a poll right now when everyone is upset.
I want to see what happens in the off season with free agents and the draft and hopefully a more healthy team next year. We have 12 players on the IR. However, if the Cards don't make or come very close to making the playoffs next year then we should get a new coach.

 

[kerouac9]

Your defending him. So defend those> Defend not going to a hurry up Offense today?

Defend him letting the O coordinator call a sweep on fourth and goal at the four to Shipp our slowest RB?

Defend us being at the 30-35 three times the last two years and punting when we have the strongest legged kicker in the NFL and only being a 50-52 yard attempt?

Explain his terribly decision making in challenging plays costing this team many costly timeouts?

Defend how his teams show up mentally for games such as todays?

I could go on and on and on?

You act like Denny Green is the only one who makes inexplicable coaching decisions on game day. There are maybe four coaches in the entire NFL that make the right decisions on Sundays: Saban, Belichek, Parcells (sometimes), Shanahan(?)... and I don't know. You act like coaches who are excellent tacticians grow on trees, and that isn't true.

 

[KingofCards]

Your defending him. So defend those> Defend not going to a hurry up Offense today?

Defend him letting the O coordinator call a sweep on fourth and goal at the four to Shipp our slowest RB?

Defend us being at the 30-35 three times the last two years and punting when we have the strongest legged kicker in the NFL and only being a 50-52 yard attempt?

Explain his terribly decision making in challenging plays costing this team many costly timeouts?

Defend how his teams show up mentally for games such as todays?

I could go on and on and on?

I am saying he should be given more than 2 years to rebuild this pathetic team.

He should be gone if they lose next year.

Don't put words in my mouth though, Shane. You are barking up the wrong tree if you think I am going to defend Denny Green's decision making against the Texans.

You won't be able to find any posts on this board where I defend Denny Green's decision making during game play.

 

[Brian]

We could have 8 pro-bowlers on the roster and Denny would still be sticking by the Reggie Swinton's of the world.

Another draft and another FA period isn't going to change that he is inept.

 

[Denny Green Fan]

K9 We havent got close to a competitive roster Bra

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

The proof is in the pudding when it comes to whethe Denny has been a bust during his tenure and it's our 10-20 record over the last two seasons. I haven't voted yet and whether or not Denny is here next season should be based upon whether Denny actually wants to be here or not. To me if there's any truth to these rumors we should cut him loose and if not we should let him coach next year. But no matter what happens, this franchise will be in better shape than it was when Denny got here because we're not drafting garbage like Levar Fisher and Josh Mccown on the first day anymore.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

They were all desperate because Dungy and Lewis kept interviewing and not getting hired. We all heard Dungy wasn't outspoken enough, lewis was a great DC but not a HC etc. If they weren't desperate why did they take such lousy jobs? Why didn't they take a job with a better franchise? Because they couldn't get a shot.

the irony is Green helped Dungy get his job in Tampa.

Come on Russ, who on the Cards is equivelent to what the Bengals had on that defense? Takeo Spikes and Brian Simmons...both Pro Bowl LB'S...who did we have? Ronald McKinnon and Rob Fredreickon?

The talent was on those teams, there was almost zero talent on the team Mac left DG

 

[KingofCards]

That's not what I meant. I meant if there was SOME sign of improvement, some sign of hope for the future.

I could have dealt with 7-9 this year if the team looked like a real NFL franchise.

The team has beat the lowly 49'ers twice, Tenn, and St. Louis. ugh.

I understand that and I am as pissed as the next guy.

2 years is not long enough to turn this team around though.

Firing Green after this year would be a horrible decision and we would have to hire Larry Marmie to be Head Coach.

 

[Shane]

I am saying he should be given more than 2 years to rebuild this pathetic team.

He should be gone if they lose next year.

Don't put words in my mouth though, Shane. You are barking up the wrong tree if you think I am going to defend Denny Green's decision making against the Texans.

You won't be able to find any posts on this board where I defend Denny Green's decision making during game play.

Ok then defend his personel decisons in FA with the signings of Reggie Swinton, Huff, Oliver Ross, Robert Griffith?

What is it you like and see that shows he deserves more time then? Enlighten me!

 

[kerouac9]

Come on Russ, who on the Cards is equivelent to what the Bengals had on that defense? Takeo Spikes and Brian Simmons...both Pro Bowl LB'S...who did we have? Ronald McKinnon and Rob Fredreickon?

The talent was on those teams, there was almost zero talent on the team Mac left DG

Takeo Spikes wasn't a Pro Bowl OLB until he went to the Bills, I think. Part of that might have been because he played on the Bengals, though.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

Takeo Spikes wasn't a Pro Bowl OLB until he went to the Bills, I think. Part of that might have been because he played on the Bengals, though.

Maybe not but he played like one. He was sufferring from the Adrian Wilson disease though. Good players on bad teams wont get recognized. Thats why Wilson wont make the Pro Bowl this year.

My point is, and I think you understand, that comparing a team that was just so bad like the Cards and has such a culture of losing like the Cards is hard to do. The Bengals, I will agree, come the closest, but the real comparsion should be tot he Clipper or Warriors. Just awful franchises that make bad decison after bad decision.

Lets see if either the Warriors or Clipper hold up this year, but they seem to be a better comparison.

Bengals and Cowboys both had loads of talent on those teams, the coaching was just atrocious. I suspect no one will say the Cards had pro bowl talent -excpet maybe Player occassionally- on the Mac lead Cardinals.

 

[Diamondback Jay]

Ok then defend his personel decisons in FA with the signings of Reggie Swinton, Huff, Oliver Ross, Robert Griffith?

What is it you like and see that shows he deserves more time then? Enlighten me!

Heinsite is always 50-50. At the time, some of those signings looked respectable.

While looking at the bad, we also have to consider some of the good. On a personnel perspective, the good has far outweighed the bad.