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So, what color are the trees in your world?
Should the Suns go after Howard this summer?
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So, what color are the trees in your world?
My hope is that he heads to Atlanta and they resign Smith, but trade the Suns Al Horford. Horford's contract is 12Mill for 3years and at 26 can still put in a few years.
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They rode their three point shooting in that series, it was the story of the playoffs for them. When their three point shooting cooled off they went down in flames. He had plenty of other opportunities to "carry" that magic franchise during his time there but the Magic were constantly coming up short, even against crap teams like Atlanta.
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Tonight is a great example of why you don't want Howard as your first option.
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What Phrazbit forgot to mention is that there is a new salary cap floor in the CBA. You must spend a minimum of 90% of the cap and it goes up after this year.
You can't sit on your money anymore
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Okay great, give some guys one year contracts like Dallas did to get to the floor, no one held a gun to the Suns head and made them give out stupid, multi-year contracts. And its not 90% of the cap anyway. Cap floor this year was 49 million out of a 58 mil cap. The Suns front office has no one to blame for their cap situation but themselves.
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Yeah, thats TOTALLY what I meant.
Dwight cannot carry teams on his own, its not to say he sucks, what I am saying is you stick him on the Suns, in the far tougher western conference, yes, we would improve but we would merely be road kill for legit playoff competition in round one. If Dwight could carry teams on his own the Orlando wouldnt have been getting bounced by also-ran teams like Atlanta.
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The cap floor makes it virtually impossible to line up enough space for two max free agents like Miami did (with LeBron and Bosh) unless you are REALLy bad the year prior. You would have to plan multiyear contracts to be up in the same year and then renounce good players or you have a spate of 1 year contracts, but most good players are not going to sign one year deals.
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... Which is exactly what Miami did. They were OVER the cap the year before signing the big three. They coordinated deals to end at the same time, dumped the rights to anyone with an option year (and traded the worthless Michael Beasley for 2nd round picks).
Do not mistake me for claiming the Suns should attempt to replicated that strategy. But the cap floor in no way forces teams to do hamstring themselves for multiple years.
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I can't understand the pervasive opinion on this board that franchise players will no longer sign here. I think it's short sighted and lacks some historical perspective. The Suns has a pretty illustrious history of great players signing to max or near max level deals. I agree that the current ownership/management group at the head of this team is terrible, but the same can be said for most teams under the new CBA.
I mean, people say that Houston has a good chance at signing Howard if he leaves LA. Why is Houston a more attractive destination than Phoenix? Everybody here hates the whole "50+ wins and out" that the Suns have consistently accomplished, but is Houston's "somewhere between 40 and 50 wins and potentially make the playoffs" record over the last 20 years so much better?
I get the argument that Sarver hasn't shown the willingness to pay what it costs to field a championship caliber squad, but it's not 100% accurate. He seems totally willing to float a bloated payroll, but for some backwards reasoning, he has allocated that money to a bunch of "commons" rather than a few great players. Nevertheless, money talks. And if Sarver wants to convince someone like Dwight Howard that he is indeed willing to spend big money on big talent, all he has to do is do it. Howard can't say, "I'm not going to sign that offer sheet because I don't think you're willing to spend big bucks" when the very existence of the offer sheet itself is empirical evidence to the contrary.
Now, in the case of Dwight Howard, his current teammate, Steve Nash, most likely has told him how terrible it is to be in Phoenix - not to bash the Suns, but to show him how great it is to have the financial backing of the Buss family on his side - but that doesn't mean other max-caliber players will be similarly dissuaded.
I mean, people say that Houston has a good chance at signing Howard if he leaves LA. Why is Houston a more attractive destination than Phoenix? Everybody here hates the whole "50+ wins and out" that the Suns have consistently accomplished, but is Houston's "somewhere between 40 and 50 wins and potentially make the playoffs" record over the last 20 years so much better?
I get the argument that Sarver hasn't shown the willingness to pay what it costs to field a championship caliber squad, but it's not 100% accurate. He seems totally willing to float a bloated payroll, but for some backwards reasoning, he has allocated that money to a bunch of "commons" rather than a few great players. Nevertheless, money talks. And if Sarver wants to convince someone like Dwight Howard that he is indeed willing to spend big money on big talent, all he has to do is do it. Howard can't say, "I'm not going to sign that offer sheet because I don't think you're willing to spend big bucks" when the very existence of the offer sheet itself is empirical evidence to the contrary.
Now, in the case of Dwight Howard, his current teammate, Steve Nash, most likely has told him how terrible it is to be in Phoenix - not to bash the Suns, but to show him how great it is to have the financial backing of the Buss family on his side - but that doesn't mean other max-caliber players will be similarly dissuaded.
the more I think about it....forget Howard.
If he's healthy and comes at a reasonable price, get this guy in a Suns Uniform next year.
If he's healthy and comes at a reasonable price, get this guy in a Suns Uniform next year.
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Word is out that Bynum has a degenerative knee disorder. Whoever signs him better be really really careful how they structure his contract because he is likely going to be a player who, in a good year, needs to have his minutes carefully managed and will not be able to play in back to backs... and really, thats optimistic. Its more likely he is going the way of Brandon Roy, maybe a token brief stint before the knees act up again, then he is toast.
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Agreed, the Suns need to stay away from Bynum and let someone else ruin ther cap flexiblity by signing Bynum.
Really? Mannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn All I heard yesterday was "Surgery for Bynum, he's done for the year"Bummer.
Bynum offense is leap years ahead of Howard's.
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I would definitely like the Suns medical staff to take a look at Bynum and see what they say. Seems too risky to me, but if they would sign off on it, I'd trust their judgment.
I have zero interest in Bynum. He's a head case that doesn't care about basketball.
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Speaking of potential....Don't be surprised if "sob city" tries to move DeAndre Jordan this off-season. what a doofus.
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Because they have better options at center?
