Should we sign Brooks?

[blindseyed]

Back up QB?

Thoughts?

 

[Redsz]

Yes.

As much as I like Kurt, he hasn't proven he can stay healthy. We need a quality backup QB in case Warner get's hurt.

Brooks has been up and down his entire career. But he has had sucess in the NFL. I would be stoked if we signed him.

 

[Evil Ash]

Brooks is the perfect example of what Dennis Green wants as a veteran project. Heck, he's named him as somebody he would want (he did so while he was still working at ESPN)

I think he'd be a good fit for us as a backup, if the price is reasonable. That probably means we wouldn't be drafting a QB high though (no higher than round 3)

 

[PACardsFan]

Brooks is the perfect example of what Dennis Green wants as a veteran project. Heck, he's named him as somebody he would want (he did so while he was still working at ESPN)

I think he'd be a good fit for us as a backup, if the price is reasonable. That probably means we wouldn't be drafting a QB high though (no higher than round 3)

You're wrong if you think that by signing Brooks we don't need a QBOF. Brooks is a head case but would suffice as a backup for 1 yr. It's OK if we sign short-term, but we also need to draft either Cutler or Young with the 10th pick. I would still prefer someone like Fiedler, to avoid putting a cancer in the locker room.

 

[JeffGollin]

Someone with that kind of experience, but not necessarily Brooks.

 

[Phill11]

Anyone have a guess at what kind of money Brooks will be getting this offseason?

If he's cheap, you betcha. But my guess is Brooks gets a nice hefty contract. (Maybe something like McCown got from DET)

 

[Evil Ash]

You're wrong if you think that by signing Brooks we don't need a QBOF. Brooks is a head case but would suffice as a backup for 1 yr. It's OK if we sign short-term, but we also need to draft either Cutler or Young with the 10th pick. I would still prefer someone like Fiedler, to avoid putting a cancer in the locker room.

I didn't say we don't need one, I'm saying its less likely. He still might pick one but in round 3 or later.

Young will not be there when we pick IMO

 

[PACardsFan]

I didn't say we don't need one, I'm saying its less likely. He still might pick one but in round 3 or later.

Young will not be there when we pick IMO

This franchise cannot risk their QBOF with a 3rd round pick. For every Tom Brady there are thousands of Gus Ferrotte's. If we want to be a consistent winner, we will need to draft a 1st round QB. We are very fortunate to have a Warner around for a couple more years to let the guy learn. Young's stock is plummeting & I'll be shocked if he's not there at 10. If Young or Cutler are there at 10, I'll be SHOCKED if we don't draft one of them. If we don't draft a franchise QB this year, we will pay the price big time. Warner is one missed block from retirement, Navarre is a 3rd stringer, & there is NO ONE available as a FA that is a legitimate solution. Instead of Brooks, I'd be more inclined to take a chance with Harrington. He's young, healthy & has some upside. Bringing in Brooks is like morphing Plummer & Blake into one huge turnover machine. 11 of the 12 teams with the best positive turnover ratio last year made the playoffs.

 

[AzWins23]

What he might end up doing is waiting it out till the season starts, and then when a QB goes down. he will be available for a free agent pick up

 

[Redsz]

You're wrong if you think that by signing Brooks we don't need a QBOF. Brooks is a head case but would suffice as a backup for 1 yr. It's OK if we sign short-term, but we also need to draft either Cutler or Young with the 10th pick. I would still prefer someone like Fiedler, to avoid putting a cancer in the locker room.

How is Brooks a head case?

 

[PACardsFan]

How is Brooks a head case?

He's a head case because he has enormous physical talent & yet continues to make the most bone-headed mental mistakes of any QB in the game. He can't read a D & his decision-making is worse than Plummer's.

 

[SECTION 11]

absolutely i'd sign this guy. i think he'd thrive.

 

[Redsz]

That doesn't make him a head case. A head case is someone like TO. Or say - Lavar Arrington who wanted his contract redone because a bonus he was to recieve had '666' in it.

I would throw out the words 'enigma' or 'inconsistent' before head case.

 

[Evil Ash]

This franchise cannot risk their QBOF with a 3rd round pick. For every Tom Brady there are thousands of Gus Ferrotte's. If we want to be a consistent winner, we will need to draft a 1st round QB.

There has been exactly 2 first round QBs that has reached the Superbowl over the past 10 years. Count them ... 2. People have a tendency to believe the hyp rather than looking at the actual situation.

A first round QB is not anymore of a certainty then one taken in the later rounds. Hell 3 of the top QBs all time weren't first rounders. It is what it is a risk and if you aren't sold on the guy you don't take him (I don't give a crap what Kiper has to grade on QB prospects ... Hell he called Ryan Leaf "a sure thing).

We are very fortunate to have a Warner around for a couple more years to let the guy learn.

Agreed

Young's stock is plummeting & I'll be shocked if he's not there at 10.

Has Young had his pro day yet? NO. With Young showing his freak athletic ability and actually throwing his stock will go up again

If Young or Cutler are there at 10, I'll be SHOCKED if we don't draft one of them.

Depends on who is there. If someone like Vernon Davis is there, Green might have a higher viewing of him than Cutler. You don't draft a QB for the sake of drafting one.

Remember under the Mac era how we reached for need? How'd that work out?

If we don't draft a franchise QB this year, we will pay the price big time.

Maybe, maybe not. We can always draft one next year ... and whose to say that one taken later isn't a "franchise" QB (that term is thrown out so damn often its ridiculous)

Warner is one missed block from retirement, Navarre is a 3rd stringer, & there is NO ONE available as a FA that is a legitimate solution.

Having a rookie start sure is hell isn't a solution. Rothlesberger and Marino were freaks in this regard. Learning the NFL game takes a while ... relying on a rookie would truely be old cardinals stupidity.

Instead of Brooks, I'd be more inclined to take a chance with Harrington. He's young, healthy & has some upside.

I don't have a problem with that but the question of $$ comes up. If we sign him that maybe it for FA and we still have holes to fill (namely at FS).

Bringing in Brooks is like morphing Plummer & Blake into one huge turnover machine. 11 of the 12 teams with the best positive turnover ratio last year made the playoffs.

Maybe Coach Green believes he can lower his turnover problems. In case you didn't notice Harrington also had a nasty problem of turning the ball over.

 

[earthsci]

There has been exactly 2 first round QBs that has reached the Superbowl over the past 10 years. Count them ... 2. People have a tendency to believe the hyp rather than looking at the actual situation.

Ben Roethlisberger
Donovan McNabb
Trent Dilfer
Kerry Collins
Steve McNair
John Elway x 2
Drew Bledsoe

 

[Sandan]

My understanding is that there is very little correclation with the round they were drafted in and the success of QB.

Other positions, yes but not QB

 

[lobo]

Someone with that kind of experience, but not necessarily Brooks.

you bet jeff..........no doubt someone with that experience...BUT not Brooks...period.....he is just about the worst red zone qb in the league...maddox or frerotte in my judgment are far better alternatives....we don't have a shot at griese...he would be my first choice.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

There has been exactly 2 first round QBs that has reached the Superbowl over the past 10 years. Count them ... 2. People have a tendency to believe the hyp rather than looking at the actual situation.

A first round QB is not anymore of a certainty then one taken in the later rounds.

okay, now take a look at the percentage of qbs who made the playoffs BY ROUND. i guarantee you are gonna find an incredibly skewed percentage for the first round compared each individual round thereafter (and you have to break it down round-by-round and NOT first round verses all other rounds and undrafted players b/c then you're not using the same numerical universe). a qb with the potential to go in the first round has a greater upside and chance of success than does a qb drafted later.

 

[Wildfire]

Good Golly, and Heaven Forbid.

Brooks is not a quality QB, just look at the Saints under his leadership.

Have family in Louisiana. They follow the Saints closely and they're glad he's gone.

Don't want anyone else's cast off at QB.

 

[earthsci]

okay, now take a look at the percentage of qbs who made the playoffs BY ROUND. i guarantee you are gonna find an incredibly skewed percentage for the first round compared each individual round thereafter (and you have to break it down round-by-round and NOT first round verses all other rounds and undrafted players b/c then you're not using the same numerical universe). a qb with the potential to go in the first round has a greater upside and chance of success than does a qb drafted later.

Aside from the fact the he's wrong about only two qbs making the Super Bowl.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Ben Roethlisberger
Donovan McNabb
Trent Dilfer
Kerry Collins
Steve McNair
John Elway x 2
Drew Bledsoe

right, just 2 of them!

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

My understanding is that there is very little correclation with the round they were drafted in and the success of QB.

Other positions, yes but not QB

and upon just what are you basing those correlations? a study? or is this just another way you can justify allowing the cards organization to slide on not drafting one in the first round? a way to ignore the blunders of not drafting lefty or rothlisberger?

again, look at the percentage of qbs in the playoffs compared to qbs from each individual round and tell me there's no correlation.

 

[Shane]

Ben Roethlisberger
Donovan McNabb
Trent Dilfer
Kerry Collins
Steve McNair
John Elway x 2
Drew Bledsoe

Was Kerry Collns ever in the SB? I thuoght it was just the NFc champ game?

Cant count Bledsoe. He wa sthe back-up when he was there unless Im mistaken?

 

[CaptTurbo]

Id rather have McCown than Brooks. If McCown had the saints offense he would have done better than Brooks.

 

[earthsci]

Was Kerry Collns ever in the SB? I thuoght it was just the NFc champ game?

Cant count Bledsoe. He wa sthe back-up when he was there unless Im mistaken?

Kerry Collins was the starting QB in Super Bowl XXXV for the Giants. You can count Bledsoe because he was the starting QB in Super Bowl XXXI for the Pats against the Packers.