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Coaches don't suddenly become "good" (or "bad") within the span of just one week, just because their team won or lost.

In terms of throwing mechanics - Skelton "throws tall" whereas Kolb "throws small." - which increases Skelton's height advantage.

Except for the 2 safeties, Skelton seems to have a better sense of where he can safely roll out to in order to escape pressure. Kolb too often tends to roll right into trouble.
 
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Mitch-----I liked that Whizenhunt seemed fully invested in the game from the sidelines. He was animated and involved in real-time occurrances and decisions. He also celebrated with his players after the final whistle. This has been much needed, as he has become like an inanimate object on the sideline, and about all he was willing to do with his players was throw them under the bus for not making plays.

I said last year, that he alone created our QB situation, and that until he fixed what he caused, he should bear the brunt of any derision by fans etc. At this point, he still has not fixed the QB problem, as no QB has yet played to the level that Leinart did prior to his dismissal. The closest so far has been Skelton, who more than likely will not start once Kolb is healthy again. Until he fixes that problem, he remains in my dog house. He could go far toward getting out of it, should he find a way to win two games against the Niners this season.
 
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Mitch-----I liked that Whizenhunt seemed fully invested in the game from the sidelines. He was animated and involved in real-time occurrances and decisions. He also celebrated with his players after the final whistle. This has been much needed, as he has become like an inanimate object on the sideline, and about all he was willing to do with his players was throw them under the bus for not making plays.

I said last year, that he alone created our QB situation, and that until he fixed what he caused, he should bear the brunt of any derision by fans etc. At this point, he still has not fixed the QB problem, as no QB has yet played to the level that Leinart did prior to his dismissal. The closest so far has been Skelton, who more than likely will not start once Kolb is healthy again. Until he fixes that problem, he remains in my dog house. He could go far toward getting out of it, should he find a way to win two games against the Niners this season.

I agree Catfish!:raccoon:
 

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In terms of throwing mechanics - Skelton "throws tall" whereas Kolb "throws small." - which increases Skelton's height advantage.

Except for the 2 safeties, Skelton seems to have a better sense of where he can safely roll out to in order to escape pressure. Kolb too often tends to roll right into trouble.

One of the commentators during the game mentioned that Skelton could throw a nice arc on the ball that dropped it over defenders - I think he was referencing an Arizona player as stating that (though my memory isn't the best).
Shame Housler was out as I liked to see if Skelton could hit him in stride down the seam.

Skelton has a ways to go, but you certainly see flashes.
 

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With those two safties,if Skelton was having trouble finding an open receiver, I would much rather him give up a safety than throw a pick six.
 

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Nice writeup Mitch!

If you didn't know who the #1 and #155 picks in the 2010 draft were---could you see that great of a difference in their games yesterday?

I like this. He definitely brings bang-for-the-buck. I think you could argue that nabbing Skelton in the 5th round is Whisenhunt's smartest draft move. Not the best draft pick I'm saying. But the smartest move?

The jury is still out on Whiz as a head coach. He's going to make mistakes - and he should only get better - because after all, he's learning on the job. And he's not alone. Most head coaches in this league are learning on the job. Only a handful are long standing head coaches. That's kind of crazy if you think about it. I don't know what exactly it says about the business. But they're all out there learning the job as they go.

So you wonder, is Whiz getting the growing pains out of the way, learning from the important mistakes he's making? Would we want to sit and watch a new guy go through all the same growing pains? He'll be learning on the job too. Or is Whiz destined to repeat the same mistakes over and over? Would the new guy be a diamond in the ruff? And just have "it" right out of the box. These are the things that make the NFL must see real life reality tv.
 

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Bradford blows with two legs! :shrug:

Really?? That seems pretty shortsighted as he's only been in the league for 1 1/2 years... and, given the team he's on I would say he's acquitted himself pretty damn well. In fact, I would gladly take him in a heartbeat!!
 

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Really?? That seems pretty shortsighted as he's only been in the league for 1 1/2 years... and, given the team he's on I would say he's acquitted himself pretty damn well. In fact, I would gladly take him in a heartbeat!!

Me thinks you haven't watched much of him. He sucks!
 

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Me thinks you haven't watched much of him. He sucks!

Me thinks you're totally WRONG. I have watched him and I tend to like more than I dislike.
I really don't get how you can be so over the top in hate toward the kid?? He had a very, very solid rookie season on a team that provides him with zero support. Last season, their leading receiver was Danny Amendola with 680 yards! This season it's Denario Alexander with a whopping 300 yards!!

Exactly what is it about him that causes you to hate him so much??
 

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I also liked the all too brief stint of the no huddle/hurry up Offense. Seems like we ran it earlier against the 'Skins maybe? IIRC it looked pretty good then too.

Why don't we run it more often?
 

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Really?? That seems pretty shortsighted as he's only been in the league for 1 1/2 years... and, given the team he's on I would say he's acquitted himself pretty damn well. In fact, I would gladly take him in a heartbeat!!

Me too but without McDaniels attatched.
 

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Nice write up Mitch.

I wonder though, if this improvement might have come due to the fact that the Rams were the opponent. It would be interesting if you would revisit these points after next week. I'll be waiting. :)
 

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Nice writeup Mitch!



I like this. He definitely brings bang-for-the-buck. I think you could argue that nabbing Skelton in the 5th round is Whisenhunt's smartest draft move. Not the best draft pick I'm saying. But the smartest move?

The jury is still out on Whiz as a head coach. He's going to make mistakes - and he should only get better - because after all, he's learning on the job. And he's not alone. Most head coaches in this league are learning on the job. Only a handful are long standing head coaches. That's kind of crazy if you think about it. I don't know what exactly it says about the business. But they're all out there learning the job as they go.

So you wonder, is Whiz getting the growing pains out of the way, learning from the important mistakes he's making? Would we want to sit and watch a new guy go through all the same growing pains? He'll be learning on the job too. Or is Whiz destined to repeat the same mistakes over and over? Would the new guy be a diamond in the ruff? And just have "it" right out of the box. These are the things that make the NFL must see real life reality tv.

I guess Harbaugh must be a fast learner since he has taken the niners to the top is a mere 8 games. Whiz apparently has a learning curve of 4 1/2 years and still hasn't caught up to Harbaugh.

Sorry but after 4 1/2 years if you are still learning then you are way to slow for me.
 

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the Rams do have a good defense, though the secondary I believe has been banged up...their offense seems to have reverted to the just Jackson show again and you stop him and they are toast. I think Bradford is just in his second year and the film is out on him now after his first season and he will rebound next season, still think he will be a excellent QB but time will tell.
 

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I guess Harbaugh must be a fast learner since he has taken the niners to the top is a mere 8 games. Whiz apparently has a learning curve of 4 1/2 years and still hasn't caught up to Harbaugh.

Sorry but after 4 1/2 years if you are still learning then you are way to slow for me.

Harbaugh was the head coach of a major college football program for several years, and head coach at the University of San Diego before that. Whis was an offensive coordinator for the Steelers and strictly a position coach before that. So Harbaugh has been a head coach since 2004 and Whis since 2007. I guess the experience goes to Harbaugh.
 

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Me thinks you're totally WRONG. I have watched him and I tend to like more than I dislike.
I really don't get how you can be so over the top in hate toward the kid?? He had a very, very solid rookie season on a team that provides him with zero support. Last season, their leading receiver was Danny Amendola with 680 yards! This season it's Denario Alexander with a whopping 300 yards!!

Exactly what is it about him that causes you to hate him so much??

I have watched him quite a bit and he certainly isnt anything special IMO. In fact I would call him a dime a dozen QB. I dont hate him. I just believe him to be completely average. He skips balls into the turf quite a bit. Isnt very accurate etc..

I remember everyone on this board sooo worried about Bradford being a Ram and how they are so set with a true "franchise" QB for the next 10 years. Well quite frankly I just dont see it in the kid. You can only use the what he has around him excuse for only so long. The kid should have leaped forward this year from last year and he has easily regressed. He has regressed mightily. Especially for a guy that has what many consider one of the top 5 best RB's in the league to relieve pressure off of him and open up the passing game.

He is one of the least of my concerns in the NFCW going forward.
 

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I also liked the all too brief stint of the no huddle/hurry up Offense. Seems like we ran it earlier against the 'Skins maybe? IIRC it looked pretty good then too.

Why don't we run it more often?

Maybe that is the key...no huddle allows for a lot more calls at the line and changes as required...they play better when the OC gets cut out of the play-calling? Just a thought:mulli:
 

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I have watched him quite a bit and he certainly isnt anything special IMO. In fact I would call him a dime a dozen QB. I dont hate him. I just believe him to be completely average. He skips balls into the turf quite a bit. Isnt very accurate etc..

I remember everyone on this board sooo worried about Bradford being a Ram and how they are so set with a true "franchise" QB for the next 10 years. Well quite frankly I just dont see it in the kid. You can only use the what he has around him excuse for only so long. The kid should have leaped forward this year from last year and he has easily regressed. He has regressed mightily. Especially for a guy that has what many consider one of the top 5 best RB's in the league to relieve pressure off of him and open up the passing game.

He is one of the least of my concerns in the NFCW going forward.



To be fair, he hasn't been healthy all season and he's got nobody to throw to.

But he does seem to have plateaued if not regressed.

That said if you gave every NFL GM the chance to pick between him and Skelton I'm betting less than 5 pick Skelton. And one of those would be named Rod.
 

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I have watched him quite a bit and he certainly isnt anything special IMO. In fact I would call him a dime a dozen QB. I dont hate him. I just believe him to be completely average. He skips balls into the turf quite a bit. Isnt very accurate etc..

I remember everyone on this board sooo worried about Bradford being a Ram and how they are so set with a true "franchise" QB for the next 10 years. Well quite frankly I just dont see it in the kid. You can only use the what he has around him excuse for only so long. The kid should have leaped forward this year from last year and he has easily regressed. He has regressed mightily. Especially for a guy that has what many consider one of the top 5 best RB's in the league to relieve pressure off of him and open up the passing game.

He is one of the least of my concerns in the NFCW going forward.

The Rams are set at the QB position. Far better off than any other team in the NFC West. However, the rest of the team sucks big ones.... That's their issue. If they are ever able to put some talent around Bradford, I think he will shine. You can say that about a lot of QB's for sure, however, you can't say that about Skelton, Tavaris Jackson, Whitehurst... and Smith is having a career year (comparatively speaking isn't anything great), only because of the running game and his defense. Give Bradford that team and that coach and I have no doubt he'd be putting up better numbers... And as for Kolb, the jury is still out on him as he's still too new, no camp, etc, etc, etc., however, Bradford on the Cards would mean significantly better QB #'s and more W's...
 

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It seemed that finally this past week, Ken Whisenhunt started to feel the pressure of losing 15 of his last 18 games. I can't put a finger on it exactly---maybe you can---but Whisenhunt seemed a little more outwardly intense and focused this past week---and, to his and his staff's credit, there were tangible differences in the team's preparation this week.

Offense:

1. First of all, it is more meaningful than some fans think that Whisenhunt turned to John Skelton as his starter and not Richard Bartel. Bartel had a very good pre-season and even though Skelton was de-activated for the first few games because of his ankle injury---it appeared at least that Bartel had wrested the #2 job from Skelton.

When Bartel came in in mop-up duty versus the Vikings, however, Bartel looked as skittish as Kolb. Perhaps---the coaches looked at this and remembered Skelton's "poise."

2. "Poise" is the word that Whisenhunt used repeatedly during and after the game yesterday to describe Skelton's performance.

This might not mean much---Whisenhunt was openly critical of Skelton's mistakes---but all in all, he gave Skelton a favorable review.

And Whisenhunt should have---especially seeing as Skelton hadn't played a live snap since the 3rd pre-season game and hadn't been even activated until recently.

Yet---here's the rub: Whisenhunt has Skelton in his thoughts now---because there is no way Whisenhunt or the offensive coaches could be coaching Kolb to play as jittery as he has over the past 6 games---no coach in his right mind would instruct a QB to run backwards the way Kolb has.

Kolb will now be under pressure to step up (literally and figuratively)---and that's a good thing.

And it makes one wonder whether a coach can actually teach poise. Skelton has it---and it certainly doesn't hurt that he's got the big arm to go with it---plus, as we saw on the clutch 4th quarter game tying TD drive, Skelton is a threat to run.

A poised and tough QB can settle everyone down---and, despite the safeties, the team looked much more settled in the 2nd half of a game finally. Plus---Skelton gets the plays off more briskly---there was more tempo on the offense in the second half than we have seen in weeks.

When you look at the final stats---despite not having a running game to aid his cause the way Sam Bradford did---check out the numbers:

Skelton: 20/35, 222 yds., 6.3 YPA, 1 TD, 0 int, 85.7 rating (+ 4/38/9.5 rush)
Bradford: 23/36, 255 yds., 7.1 ypa, 0 TD, 1 int., 73.3 rating (+ 1/2/2.0 rush)

If you didn't know who the #1 and #155 picks in the 2010 draft were---could you see that great of a difference in their games yesterday?

Plus---this was Bradford's 22nd start---Skelton's 5th.

Under the circumstances---for Skelton to play this well was impressive.

Sure the 2 safeties were glaring mistakes---but may have had more to do with inexperience than anything else.

But---as it turned out the 4 points may have saved the day for the Cardinals in that they didn't have to punt out of their end zone, which could have led to Ram TDs.

3. Evidence of improved preparation:

* The max protection set with two added protectors in the backfield that enabled Skelton to zing in the long in-seam pass to Roberts.

* No dreaded screen passes, especially in key situations.

* The attempted TE fade pass to Jeff King---looks like they added the play this week after seeing the Steelers run it to Heath Miller.

* The continued focus on Doucet in key third down situations.

* The adding of PP into the offense (even though the play was never snapped---at least there was some creativity involved).

* Finally---motioning Fitz to try to take him off press coverage and easy brackets.

* Getting good play from RB Chester Taylor---and his hustle fumble recovery was huge.

On Defense:

* Using Wilson in the box exclusively---his blitz and stuff of Steven Jackson on 3rd and short was one of the biggest plays of the game.

* The short yardage defense down the stretch, especially on the 4th down sweep stop of Jackson.

* Keeping PP assigned all day to Brandon Lloyd. The coverage assignments were much clearer and much more aggressive.

* Getting good play at OLB from Haggans, Acho and Schofield---best OLB play in a game this year.

* Playing Richard Marshall as a Cover 2 safety (in tandem with Rashad Johnson) in passing situations.

On Special Teams:

* Not only were the Cardinals extremely well prepared to make the two plays that won the game (the blocked FG and the 98 yard punt return TD)---they tried their best to pressure P Donnie Jones (who is arguably the best punter in the NFC)---and they came close to blocking a punt once.

4. Game Management:

* Whisenhunt called timeout to try to prevent the Rams from running out the clock and kicking the winning FG. This was smart, even if the defense still gave up the next first down.

* No epic head-scratching meltdowns from the coaches or the team late in the game. Yes, the Rams had a good chance to win---but the Cardinals didn't make it super easy for them---this time they looked better prepared---and will even more prepared when they can get CB technique down to the point where they are not getting these tough, chain-moving 3rd down flags.

I agree with all you say Mitch. I also have wonders about whether you can teach poise to a QB. I think you have it or you do not. He clearly knows how to stand up and step up into the pocket. He actually stepped up further than most QBs. He looked like a real NFL QB even if the results were not always the same. With very little experience he showed the talents of a guy who can become a good QB given experience and coaching. Once he learns the system, once he has a good running game, and once he learns how to read defenses he looks to me to be more a QBOTF than Kolb has show in his 7 years in the NFL. Skelton has some things Kolb will never have. 6'7" tall and 245 lbs. Definitely a pocket passer with a very strong arm. I was impressed that he ran the ball two times when he saw open lanes. On several occasions I have seen Kolb have open lanes and yet try to throw a pass into a crowd on the run. He does not appear to want to take a chance on running. Maybe out of fear? I just do not know.

On defense I saw some of the best short yardage stops I have ever seen against a guy like the monster Steven Jackson. I attribute this strictly to the players themselves. They decided no one was going to gain a yard on them at that moment and not only stood their ground but aggressively stopped the runners behind the line. They were as hyped up after these stops as I have seen a Cardinal defense in many a year. I do not attribute this to coaching but the players in the huddle saying enough is enough. Maybe one of them like Wilson or whoever hyped them up to be better than Godzilla. Stops like this can raise a guys expectations of himself for the future. There was some pure electricity in the air. After the defense stopped those short yardage situations and Campbell blocked that field goal, which would have won the game, the offense just had to win that game. By the way I still give the game ball to Campbell. This guy is going to be an all pro. If not this year then next year. He and Dockett make an impressive pair. Wilson was playing like a young Wilson. I sure hope Skelton starts next week no matter the reason. I do not expect us to win but I would like to see another game that gets me excited.
 

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The Rams are set at the QB position. Far better off than any other team in the NFC West. However, the rest of the team sucks big ones.... That's their issue. If they are ever able to put some talent around Bradford, I think he will shine. You can say that about a lot of QB's for sure, however, you can't say that about Skelton, Tavaris Jackson, Whitehurst... and Smith is having a career year (comparatively speaking isn't anything great), only because of the running game and his defense. Give Bradford that team and that coach and I have no doubt he'd be putting up better numbers... And as for Kolb, the jury is still out on him as he's still too new, no camp, etc, etc, etc., however, Bradford on the Cards would mean significantly better QB #'s and more W's...

Keep in mind that nothing shortens the life of a young QB than a lack of weapons, protection and success. Right now Bradford's potential is getting diminshed weekly because of the Rams lack of these things.
 

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Keep in mind that nothing shortens the life of a young QB than a lack of weapons, protection and success. Right now Bradford's potential is getting diminshed weekly because of the Rams lack of these things.

Yeah and his coaching staff is a big ugh too.

That organization is almost if not more dysfunctional than ours and that's saying something.

They've drafted high for a few years now, not much to show for it other than Bradford.
 
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