Six years, $63 million for Suggs

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Sweet deal

33.1M guaranteed over 2 years. Total of 40M in 2 years. 4 years 48M. Looks like he got a better deal than Haynesworth.
 

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Does this set a bar for KD

Not even a little for multiple reasons -

Different positions.
Much better player then Dansby is.
Suggs has multiple pro bowls under his belt.
Younger.
Pass rusher premium.
Did I mention how much better of a player Suggs is compared to Dansby?

I can make a case for Dansby getting 20 to 23 mill gauranteed, but I cant make a case for 30+ mill while keeping a straight face.
 

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Not even a little for multiple reasons -

Different positions.
Much better player then Dansby is.
Suggs has multiple pro bowls under his belt.
Younger.
Pass rusher premium.
Did I mention how much better of a player Suggs is compared to Dansby?

I can make a case for Dansby getting 20 to 23 mill gauranteed, but I cant make a case for 30+ mill while keeping a straight face.
What about per season though? Is Dansby going to approach $10 million per?
 

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Not even a little for multiple reasons -

Different positions.
Much better player then Dansby is.
Suggs has multiple pro bowls under his belt.
Younger.
Pass rusher premium.
Did I mention how much better of a player Suggs is compared to Dansby?

I can make a case for Dansby getting 20 to 23 mill gauranteed, but I cant make a case for 30+ mill while keeping a straight face.

That's ridiculous.

You can't compare the two at all because they have been used in completely different fashions for their entire careers. Who knows how Suggs would have played in a 4-3 or as an ILB in a 3-4? Or Dansby playing next to Ray Lewis instead of Ron McKinnon & Gerald Hayes?
 
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This is too bad. I love T-Sizzle and wish he would have hit the open market next season. He would be a perfect fit in our defense and he has stated on numerous occasions that he wouldn't mind playing back in his home town. But I don't blame him. Baltimore is a great organization and money talks.
 

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That's ridiculous.

You can't compare the two at all because they have been used in completely different fashions for their entire careers. Who knows how Suggs would have played in a 4-3 or as an ILB in a 3-4? Or Dansby playing next to Ray Lewis instead of Ron McKinnon & Gerald Hayes?

Its not ridiculous at all. I can also easily say Fitzgerald is a much better player then then Gandy. They play different positions but its a pretty easy statement to say.

Who cares about positions, its called comparing "FOOTBALL" players. You cant compare stats but its pretty easy to compare football players, not sure why your throwing such a fit about.

In the future we shouldnt see you ever compare players ever again, becuase you aparently cant unless they play in the same exact scheme, same exact personel around them, and so on. Heck with that critiria in mind how can you compare players that play the same position unless they have both played in the same exact scheme or played with the same exact players.

Its called comparing "FOOTBALL" players and its easy to, scouts do it every year when trying to make a draft board.
 
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Its not ridiculous at all. I can also easily say Fitzgerald is a much better player then then Gandy. They play different positions but its a pretty easy statement to say.

Who cares about positions, its called comparing "FOOTBALL" players. You cant compare stats but its pretty easy to compare football players, not sure why your throwing such a fit about.

He's been in an ornery mood all week. Must be the wrong time of the month.:D
 

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What about per season though? Is Dansby going to approach $10 million per?

No, and he wont get it next year either with or without a cap, in fact less of a chance without a cap.

Fitz gets 10 mill per, Dansby at 10 mill per is laughable. There isnt a stand up LB in the NFL(all LB's minus 3-4 pass rushers) that makes 10 mill per and Dansby will not be the first.

He is still 8 mill Lofa Tatupu range, he actually makes 7 mill per but he signed it 3/21/2008 so I added a mill for inflation.(throw that in there for Duckjack who cant even fathom comparing football players unless they are in the exact same position, play with the same exact schemes, or play next to the same exact players. So I compared Dansby to the closest thing possible another ILB.)
 
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Its not ridiculous at all. I can also easily say Fitzgerald is a much better player then then Gandy. They play different positions but its a pretty easy statement to say.

Who cares about positions, its called comparing "FOOTBALL" players. You cant compare stats but its pretty easy to compare football players, not sure why your throwing such a fit about.

In the future we shouldnt see you ever compare players ever again, becuase you aparently cant unless they play in the same exact scheme, same exact personel around them, and so on. Heck with that critiria in mind how can you compare players that play the same position unless they have both played in the same exact scheme or played with the same exact players.

Its called comparing "FOOTBALL" players and its easy to, scouts do it every year when trying to make a draft board.

Dansby and Suggs have both had excellent careers. Therefore you have to take into consideration where they play and what team they are on. Suggs would have likely never had the same success playing DE in a 4-3 for Arizona as he did in Baltimore. See Calvin Pace.

In almost every discussion about players on this board one or more people bring up the effects of what team a guy is on or who plays next to him. Its far more common than people debating who is a better player a WR or an offensive tackle. I'm sure the latter goes on all the time at sports bars across the country.

In fact looking for a guy who hasn't done much because he is on a weak team or playing behind a perennial pro bowler, or in the wrong scheme, is something scouts do all the time when making a list for free agency.

And what's your definition of "FOOTBALL" player. In your Gandy and Fitzgerald example how can you say who is better? Fitz would be a terrible football player at offensive tackle. Do you really think Fitz would be a better OT than Gandy? Position does matter.

And I still think its ridiculous to say that Suggs is a far better player than Dansby. He might be better. He might not. But the difference is not as huge as you make it out to be.
 

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Dansby and Suggs have both had excellent careers. Therefore you have to take into consideration where they play and what team they are on. Suggs would have likely never had the same success playing DE in a 4-3 for Arizona as he did in Baltimore. See Calvin Pace.
Please don't compare Terrell Suggs to Calvin Pace.
 

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Please don't compare Terrell Suggs to Calvin Pace.

It's a great comparison in the sense that we drafted a 3-4 OLB and made him a 4-3 DE. We would have done the same thing with Suggs. It isn't coincidence that Pace had his best year here in Arizona when we started playing the 3-4 "hybrid". Suggs wouldn't have been able to put up the crazy numbers if he were here IMO.
 

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It's a great comparison in the sense that we drafted a 3-4 OLB and made him a 4-3 DE. We would have done the same thing with Suggs. It isn't coincidence that Pace had his best year here in Arizona when we started playing the 3-4 "hybrid". Suggs wouldn't have been able to put up the crazy numbers if he were here IMO.

Disagree.
 

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It's a great comparison in the sense that we drafted a 3-4 OLB and made him a 4-3 DE. We would have done the same thing with Suggs. It isn't coincidence that Pace had his best year here in Arizona when we started playing the 3-4 "hybrid". Suggs wouldn't have been able to put up the crazy numbers if he were here IMO.

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You think that Suggs would have put up the same type of numbers playing DE here as he did playing OLB in Baltimore?

I don't. And totally agree with you that the fact that Pace suddenly started to shine when moved to a 3-4 OLB as concrete proof. Not just for one season but two.

Scheme isn't the only qualifier either. The wrong team comes into play as well. Thomas Jones didn't want to be in Arizona and took up with a fellow malcontent David Boston and as a result didn't do much for the Cards.
But once he got on the right team in the right scheme started to play very well.
 
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