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[Cbus cardsfan]

No, not White Castle(btw ,you can't beat the onion chips) but what players projected to go in round 1 do you think will take the biggest tumble. I have 3.

1.McClain-to 26
2. Clausen- who knows where he'll go. I think he has to be involved in some kind of trade scenario, especially if he gets by Buffalo at 9.
3. Bryn Bulaga- i think he's a good LT prospect but somehow he's been receiving top 10, even top 5, projections. I think he's more of a late teen, early 20 prospect. The report on him is he has short arms and may have already topped out on his potential.He's more of a safe pick than a guy like Bruce Campbell but alot teams draft on pro potential and Campbell has better potential but is not nearly as finished a product as Bulaga.

 

[Heucrazy]

Thanks now I'm craving White Castle.

 

[TJ]

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[lobo]

No, not White Castle(btw ,you can't beat the onion chips) but what players projected to go in round 1 do you think will take the biggest tumble. I have 3.

1.McClain-to 26
2. Clausen- who knows where he'll go. I think he has to be involved in some kind of trade scenario, especially if he gets by Buffalo at 9.
3. Bryn Bulaga- i think he's a good LT prospect but somehow he's been receiving top 10, even top 5, projections. I think he's more of a late teen, early 20 prospect. The report on him is he has short arms and may have already topped out on his potential.He's more of a safe pick than a guy like Bruce Campbell but alot teams draft on pro potential and Campbell has better potential but is not nearly as finished a product as Bulaga.

every year surprises surface....i believe you identified one...clausen....i don't see mcclain falling that far and nor do i see bulaga going that high....one man's opinion as you certainly could be right....better chance of some of the rb's and wr's going lower than we might think

 

[seesred]

I like the name Balaga. It sounds like a Subway sandwich. A great football name because when you say the name it sounds like he just wiped out the entire defesive team. BULAGA lets draft him at number?????? Just for the name sake.

GBR
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[MadCardDisease]

No, not White Castle(btw ,you can't beat the onion chips) but what players projected to go in round 1 do you think will take the biggest tumble. I have 3.

1.McClain-to 26
2. Clausen- who knows where he'll go. I think he has to be involved in some kind of trade scenario, especially if he gets by Buffalo at 9.
3. Bryn Bulaga- i think he's a good LT prospect but somehow he's been receiving top 10, even top 5, projections. I think he's more of a late teen, early 20 prospect. The report on him is he has short arms and may have already topped out on his potential.He's more of a safe pick than a guy like Bruce Campbell but alot teams draft on pro potential and Campbell has better potential but is not nearly as finished a product as Bulaga.

Of the 3 you list I think Clausen is the most likely to slide. However I doubt that he makes it out of the 1st round. The Vikes will snatch him up if he falls all the way to them.

McClain still is a top 20 pick.

Bulaga will also go in the top 20.

 

[Cardiac]

Of the 3 you list I think Clausen is the most likely to slide. However I doubt that he makes it out of the 1st round. The Vikes will snatch him up if he falls all the way to them.

I have heard that Clausen's biggest issues are leadership and that he is dumber then a bag of hammers. In a QB starved league some teams will over value this position and possibly Clausen.

McClain still is a top 20 pick.

In many other drafts I fully agree, in this draft we will see how it plays out.

Bulaga will also go in the top 20.

100% agree. His issue of "short" arms is that his arms are just long enough to get out of the true concern category. IIRC 33" is the cut off and his our 33 1/4".

 

[joeshmo]

Brian Price. Odrick has jumped him plus Price had about as bad of a pro day as you could have. Scouts were saying he looked out of shape, looked sloppy in the drills, and was winded after the first drill.

 

[Snakester]

OT Anthony Davis , DT Brian Price, TE Rob Gronkowski, WR Dez Bryant, SS Taylor Mays, DT Terrence Cody and MLB Brandon Spikes. The biggest drop I think will be Spikes. With a good forty time he could have been a late first rounder, instead there's a good chance he will be there in the third round. Dez Bryant was supposed to go top ten at one time and I think he will go between 20-30. Price may be out of the first round now. Gronkowski was considered at one time to be early second, he could slide to late second or third round. I think Terrence Cody will be there when we pick in the second round. At the very least I see him not going in round one.

Guys that I would love to see fall to us are Brandon Graham, Rolando McLain, Bruce Campbell, Sergio Kindle and Mike Iupati. I wouldn't mind us taking CB Kyle Wilson either.

 

[Duckjake]

OT Anthony Davis , DT Brian Price, TE Rob Gronkowski, WR Dez Bryant, SS Taylor Mays, DT Terrence Cody and MLB Brandon Spikes. The biggest drop I think will be Spikes. With a good forty time he could have been a late first rounder, instead there's a good chance he will be there in the third round. Dez Bryant was supposed to go top ten at one time and I think he will go between 20-30. Price may be out of the first round now. Gronkowski was considered at one time to be early second, he could slide to late second or third round. I think Terrence Cody will be there when we pick in the second round. At the very least I see him not going in round one.

Guys that I would love to see fall to us are Brandon Graham, Rolando McLain, Bruce Campbell, Sergio Kindle and Mike Iupati. I wouldn't mind us taking CB Kyle Wilson either.

Can you imagine what it would be like both here and in the Cards Draft room if all those guys and Weatherspoon are still available when pick #26 comes up?

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Can you imagine what it would be like both here and in the Cards Draft room if all those guys and Weatherspoon are still available when pick #26 comes up?

I'd have to think that McClain would be picked.

 

[Mitch]

OT Anthony Davis , DT Brian Price, TE Rob Gronkowski, WR Dez Bryant, SS Taylor Mays, DT Terrence Cody and MLB Brandon Spikes. The biggest drop I think will be Spikes. With a good forty time he could have been a late first rounder, instead there's a good chance he will be there in the third round. Dez Bryant was supposed to go top ten at one time and I think he will go between 20-30. Price may be out of the first round now. Gronkowski was considered at one time to be early second, he could slide to late second or third round. I think Terrence Cody will be there when we pick in the second round. At the very least I see him not going in round one.

Guys that I would love to see fall to us are Brandon Graham, Rolando McLain, Bruce Campbell, Sergio Kindle and Mike Iupati. I wouldn't mind us taking CB Kyle Wilson either.

Great post, Gary! I think you just about covered the main candidates to slide...and it appears CB Joe Haden (Florida) might slide, especially now that the Browns traded for CB Sheldon Brown. LB Sean Weatherspoon might slide into the second round, as there are some divided opinions on him. And who knows what will happen with QB Jimmy Clausen.

Assuming Rolando McClain won't make it past the Giants at #15, the two players I want most at #26 are Brandon Graham and Jerry Hughes. I think they would be the best value there...BPAs for sure.

 

[Cardiac]

Never say never but I HIGHLY doubt Cody will be there when we pick in the 2nd unless during team interview he comes in eating Krisp Kreme donughts.

 

[JeffGollin]

Never say never but I HIGHLY doubt Cody will be there when we pick in the 2nd unless during team interview he comes in eating Krisp Kreme donughts.

We'd be best advised to think in terms of overall draft number instead of Round, since we pick so late. Our second round pick (#58) is only 6 or 7 picks above where the high 3rd rounders start.

That said - Cody could last til #58. Or not. He's one of those guys who has huge supporters and even huger detractors. (Of course, he may benefit from the principle that "it only takes one GM to love the kid" and be drafted much higher, but you never know. He could slide all the way down to late in the second round or even later).

Maybe there should be a category of high-risk boom or bust players (due to injuries, weight-issues etc.). They'd include Bradford, McClain, Gresham, Gronkowski and, of course, Cody. If you threw in character/motor/maturity issues, you might add: Bryant, A Davis & Dunlap. And if intelligence (or lack of it) is a factor, you might want to add Clausen.

Question has to be: At what point in the draft (if ever) does the player's positive attributes outweigh the downside risk in drafting him? I bet there are some GM's whose policy is "never." But there are those GM's who took a chance that paid off - for example, the guys who drafted Warren Sapp and Randy Moss. And sometimes a kid gets a bad rap (& it's not unheard of for a GM to spread bad rumors about a kid in order to hide him).

Personally, if it were me (assuming my guys had done their homework on a kid) I'd tend to be super-cautious taking risks - especially with the higher-ranked picks, because so much is at stake.

 

[Snakester]

Great post, Gary! I think you just about covered the main candidates to slide...and it appears CB Joe Haden (Florida) might slide, especially now that the Browns traded for CB Sheldon Brown. LB Sean Weatherspoon might slide into the second round, as there are some divided opinions on him. And who knows what will happen with QB Jimmy Clausen.

Assuming Rolando McClain won't make it past the Giants at #15, the two players I want most at #26 are Brandon Graham and Jerry Hughes. I think they would be the best value there...BPAs for sure.

If we draft Graham, Hughes or Kindle at 26 I would be happy. We need a big time pass rusher and any of those three should be very good.

I do believe if Weatherspoon were to slide to the second he wouldn't last long. The most interesting player right now that could drop as you pointed out is Clausen. Now that the Redskins have Mcnabb the next team could be the Bills that takes him. The Seahags got Whitehurst so Clausen could go almost anywhere in the first round. Who knows where he will end up.

 

[MadCardDisease]

If we draft Graham, Hughes or Kindle at 26 I would be happy. We need a big time pass rusher and any of those three should be very good.

If Graham dropped to us I would do Cart Wheels. I think he is long gone before we pick.

 

[Snakester]

Can you imagine what it would be like both here and in the Cards Draft room if all those guys and Weatherspoon are still available when pick #26 comes up?

Wow! That would be wild. I can just here hundreds of people screaming in ten different directions who they want.That would be one wild draft day.

 

[Snakester]

If Graham dropped to us I would do Cart Wheels. I think he is long gone before we pick.

I think he will go somewhere between 18 and 23. I would also do cartwheels if we were able to draft him. Somebody that we want will be there though. Whether it is Graham, Kindle, Hughes, Weatherspoon or even McClain.

 

[Stout]

If McClain slides to us, he is the pick, no matter who is left on the draft board, IMO. If McClain, Suh, Clausen, Okung, and Berry were on the board, I think this team would take McClain. And I'm good with that, because that's who I want too

Man, Cbus, I hope your magic works this year too.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

I think he will go somewhere between 18 and 23. I would also do cartwheels if we were able to draft him. Somebody that we want will be there though. Whether it is Graham, Kindle, Hughes, Weatherspoon or even McClain.

A few of the more respected mocks indicate that Weatherspoon and Hughes are the most likely to be there at #26.

 

[JeffGollin]

One guy you never hear anyone talk about anymore is S/CB Chris Cook.

He and Kyle Wilson were on the field at the same time during Senior Bowl Week, and I thought the two of them both performed similar to one another.

Cook is bigger than Wilson at 6-2 212. He ran a 4.46; had a VJ of 38; a BJ of 11-0; a three-cone of 6.88 and a short-shuttle of 4.23.

Scouting Excerpts -

One main drawback was missing the 2008 season for academic reasons...

" Cook doesn't fit every scheme. Scouts working for clubs operating out of a press cover foundation, however, found Cook to be very intriguing. He's physical at the POA and is smoother than his length would indicate. One scout compared him to Green Bay's Al Harris and pointed to Cook's experience in Al Groh's scheme as evidence that he'd be more ready to handle the complexity of an NFL defense than most rookie corners..."

"Great frame & is a good athlete who should compete for playing time as a rookie. Has the necessary size and skills to compete as a nickel role and might be moved to free safety in some schemes. In the meantime, he should serve as a core member of the special teams.Tremendous size and arm length. Strong in run support/ great open-field tackler. Plays "off" and zone coverage with excellent instincts and ball reactions. Good awareness in zone coverage, and can read the QB. Has the physical, strong hands to jam receivers. Tough and competitive..."

"Eats up separation when ball is in the air. But can get caught too high in back pedal and takes false steps too often transitioning out of it. Questionable recovery speed / struggles to make up ground once beaten and stacked by receivers...Willing to get involved in run support but needs to develop a more aggressive attitude. Uses long arms well to disengage from receivers - an effective drag-down tackler. Struggles as an open field tackler and will drop his head often times resulting in missed tackles."

So what I'm wondering is: Why isn't there more buzz about Cook? The Cards could use a combo S/CB type to do what Rolle used to do.

 

[DoTheDew]

Dez Bryant- I think Denver avoids him because they don't want another prima dona WR. I could see him falling well into the 20s if this happens.

 

[Buckybird]

Dez Bryant- I think Denver avoids him because they don't want another prima dona WR. I could see him falling well into the 20s if this happens.

Rumors here in Dallas is the Jerry Jones is infactuated with Dez Bryant. If he slides into the middle of rd 1 don't be suprised if the Cowpies trade up & nab him.

 

[Shogun]

Brian Price
Jimmy Clausen
Brandon LaFell

 

[Shogun]

One guy you never hear anyone talk about anymore is S/CB Chris Cook.

He and Kyle Wilson were on the field at the same time during Senior Bowl Week, and I thought the two of them both performed similar to one another.

Cook is bigger than Wilson at 6-2 212. He ran a 4.46; had a VJ of 38; a BJ of 11-0; a three-cone of 6.88 and a short-shuttle of 4.23.

Scouting Excerpts -

One main drawback was missing the 2008 season for academic reasons...

" Cook doesn't fit every scheme. Scouts working for clubs operating out of a press cover foundation, however, found Cook to be very intriguing. He's physical at the POA and is smoother than his length would indicate. One scout compared him to Green Bay's Al Harris and pointed to Cook's experience in Al Groh's scheme as evidence that he'd be more ready to handle the complexity of an NFL defense than most rookie corners..."

"Great frame & is a good athlete who should compete for playing time as a rookie. Has the necessary size and skills to compete as a nickel role and might be moved to free safety in some schemes. In the meantime, he should serve as a core member of the special teams.Tremendous size and arm length. Strong in run support/ great open-field tackler. Plays "off" and zone coverage with excellent instincts and ball reactions. Good awareness in zone coverage, and can read the QB. Has the physical, strong hands to jam receivers. Tough and competitive..."

"Eats up separation when ball is in the air. But can get caught too high in back pedal and takes false steps too often transitioning out of it. Questionable recovery speed / struggles to make up ground once beaten and stacked by receivers...Willing to get involved in run support but needs to develop a more aggressive attitude. Uses long arms well to disengage from receivers - an effective drag-down tackler. Struggles as an open field tackler and will drop his head often times resulting in missed tackles."

So what I'm wondering is: Why isn't there more buzz about Cook? The Cards could use a combo S/CB type to do what Rolle used to do.

One year wonder. Workout warrior. Not as impressive on gameday as the other highly rated corners. Incredibly inconsistent. Questionable hips.

A lesser version of Sean Smith.