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[MastersofCombat]

IN slow motion you see Kobe stops trying to get the ball so he can throw his elbow into Raja face.... HE actually pulls his rt hand back so he can concentrate on the swing...

If I can spot that in a video clip its obvious the league doesnt want to do anything to Kobe

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[Chaz]

We get it, Kobe elbowed Raja.

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[MastersofCombat]

Sir Chaz the deal is the league said Kobes elbow was unintentional that is why he wasnt suspended...
Watch his rt hand not catch the ball, instead he is trying to nail Raja....

 

[D-Dogg]

You know, that might have a little something to do with Raja trying to see if he would fit on Kobe in a future life as a cheap suit.

Raja hangs all over Kobe, Kobe makes room with his arms. Physical play begets physical play. It's pretty ugly from both of them. I didn't see any of that tonight when Raja wasn't there, so who are you going to hang the "my bad" on? The guy who bear hugs and grabs and tugs, or the guy who pushes back and throws his arms? They are both playing hard and physical. Big whoop.

Kobe wasn't looking to throw back elbows tonight, and coincidentally, nobody was riding him like a jockey either. Wait...maybe that wasn't a coincidence.

Barbosa caught an inadvertent elbow tonight and actually had something to show for it...stitches. I don't recall any clotheslines from him. What I did see was Barbosa come back out, shut his mouth and play great basketball.

Barbosa >>>>>>>>> Raja

Both in skills and, to Raja, the all important "manhood factor."

Barbosa hopefully taught Raja a lesson in basketball. It's won by the guy who puts the ball in the basket, not the guy who is tougher or can "take it to the parking lot."

Give me Leandro any day to score points and win, and let me bench Raja unless I need a goon to come in and drape himself all over a guy.

 

[MastersofCombat]

If I built a defensive team, it would start with Ben Wallace, then Artest and now it would have to be Raja Bell. You dont really get the stage he is on I guess.
Raja should be a short list for every suns fans favorite player, he didnt let Kobes ego take over the series.

Although tonite when TT opened his shirt to show his chest to Kobe when He made that tying 3, that came a close second to Raja WWF take down of Kobe. Se

 

[carrrnuttt]

Here's a quote of myself from a similar thread:

Well, here's a vid I took of my DVR at 1/15th speed. Sorry, it's a crappy TV and crappy camera:

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[scotsman13]

Barbosa caught an inadvertent elbow tonight and actually had something to show for it...stitches. I don't recall any clotheslines from him. What I did see was Barbosa come back out, shut his mouth and play great basketball.

D-dogg maybe you forgot about first game of the season vs the lakers where kobe opened rajas lip up with another elbow to face. rajas problem with kobe isnt one game where kobe cheap shotted him it is in almost every game they have played.

personally in a game you elbow me in the face once or twice and i will forgive you, you start doing it everytime i see you and you can count on getting your backside handed you.

 

[D-Dogg]

D-dogg maybe you forgot about first game of the season vs the lakers where kobe opened rajas lip up with another elbow to face. rajas problem with kobe isnt one game where kobe cheap shotted him it is in almost every game they have played.

personally in a game you elbow me in the face once or twice and i will forgive you, you start doing it everytime i see you and you can count on getting your backside handed you.

And if you are a player who hangs all over me like a cheap suit on every single play, you should expect more than a few elbows to the grill. That's basketball.

If you are going to expect me to wear you like a second skin, you can't whine if I try and shed that skin in any way possible. Raja can't take that heat, yet he brings it with his physical defense. There is no give in this situation. If you play me tough, don't whine when I get tough. You will never swing me to Raja's side on this one...he's a dirty, physical player who flops continually. He's Bruce Bowen without the respect of players, and without the crafty veteran moves.

 

[MastersofCombat]

D-Dogg chill my brutha its starting to look like your a Kobe apologist. Just skate this issue D-Dogg cause your barking up the wrong tree if your gonna try to get us not to like Raja. He is THE ONLY in your face style player the Suns have ever had. Ive watched them for 30+ years and wanted one of these players for a long time.

Btw; Maurice Lucas doesnt count cause he was way old by the time he arrived here.

 

[D-Dogg]

D-Dogg chill my brutha its starting to look like your a Kobe apologist. Just skate this issue D-Dogg cause your barking up the wrong tree if your gonna try to get us not to like Raja. He is THE ONLY in your face style player the Suns have ever had. Ive watched them for 30+ years and wanted one of these players for a long time.

Btw; Maurice Lucas doesnt count cause he was way old by the time he arrived here.

Oh, it's nice that you have one. I wish the Lakers had a guy like that still...Rick Fox used to be ours.

And I am a Kobe apologist.

 

[Joe Mama]

Ddogg, I've resisted the temptation to argue with you over the past few days, but this is too much. In this series Kobe Bryant has had Karl Malone elbows. I realize that a lot of people on this message board and acting like real homers. Let's face it. You are on a Phoenix Suns message board. That's to be expected.

Don't be such a damn homer yourself though. Bryant is obviously throwing elbows purposely to clear room for himself. That's not your right as a player regardless of how tight the defense is. I agree with you that Bell is all over Bryant. I expect the referees are not going to let him play Kobe nearly as tightly tomorrow. Still, that doesn't mean it's acceptable for Kobe Bryant to elbow people in the face. He should be getting calls from the league.

Joe Mama

 

[bko32]

Ddogg, I've resisted the temptation to argue with you over the past few days, but this is too much. In this series Kobe Bryant has had Karl Malone elbows. I realize that a lot of people on this message board and acting like real homers. Let's face it. You are on a Phoenix Suns message board. That's to be expected.

Don't be such a damn homer yourself though. Bryant is obviously throwing elbows purposely to clear room for himself. That's not your right as a player regardless of how tight the defense is. I agree with you that Bell is all over Bryant. I expect the referees are not going to let him play Kobe nearly as tightly tomorrow. Still, that doesn't mean it's acceptable for Kobe Bryant to elbow people in the face. He should be getting calls from the league.

Joe Mama

outside of the elbow to bell, i don't really recall kobe throwing any other intentional elbows. everyone is making it out as though kobe's throwing elbows non-stop. yes, he has been grabbing and holding and clearing space for himself with some forearem shivers, but who isn't. the elbow that cut barbosa was clearly unintentional. the elbow to bell was intentional. outside of these 2 incidents, where are all of these other elbows coming from?

 

[sunsfn]

Here's a quote of myself from a similar thread:

carrrnuttt,

Thanks for putting this on! This shows the whole play including the elbow to the face that I have not seen before.
sunsfn

 

[nowagimp]

We get it, Kobe elbowed Raja.

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almost, kobe elbowed raja intentionally above the shoulders(a flagrant 2 foul during the regular season).

 

[Chaz]

almost, kobe elbowed raja intentionally above the shoulders(a flagrant 2 foul during the regular season).

The foul was called on Raja. Kobe is not going to be suspended.

It is time to let it go and move on.

 

[jenna2891]

And I am a Kobe apologist.

mom and dad just disowned you.

 

[scotsman13]

If you are going to expect me to wear you like a second skin, you can't whine if I try and shed that skin in any way possible. Raja can't take that heat, yet he brings it with his physical defense.

d-dogg let me see if i can understand what you are saying here, if you play strong defense you should expect to get elbowed repeatly in the head? is that right? then should we expect that if kobe is play strong defense agianst raja or nash or marion we have the right to elbow him in the head? and you think that is alright? remember early this year when mike miller got physical with kobe, kobe returned the favor with the elbow on miller? sounds like kobe cant take the heat.

 

[D-Dogg]

mom and dad just disowned you.

lol.

Finally!!

 

[D-Dogg]

d-dogg let me see if i can understand what you are saying here, if you play strong defense you should expect to get elbowed repeatly in the head? is that right? then should we expect that if kobe is play strong defense agianst raja or nash or marion we have the right to elbow him in the head? and you think that is alright? remember early this year when mike miller got physical with kobe, kobe returned the favor with the elbow on miller? sounds like kobe cant take the heat.

There is a difference in strong defense and touching, fouling, grabbing defense. Raja plays the latter. If you weren't a Suns fan, you'd agree. And repeatedly? Raja's caught what, one or two elbows in the face? Hardly out of control when he's all over the guy from tipoff to final whistle.

Yes, if Kobe was inside of Nash or Raja or Marion's jersey and caught a few bows then that's the way it goes. Give a guy some room to operate and don't foul him by bodyhugging him from jump. Thank God Kobe doesn't play defense that way.

Yes, Miller fouled Kobe hard and he retaliated which was COMPLETELY out of line. 100%. Cheap shot. To try and compare that to what Raja's been getting is apples and oranges.

 

[elindholm]

There is a difference in strong defense and touching, fouling, grabbing defense.

Not in the playoffs there isn't.

If you weren't a Suns fan, you'd agree.

We've gotten used to it. Why do you think everyone was so happy when Bell was signed last summer? The Suns finally have someone who plays what the NBA considers "playoff defense." It's bull, but those are the rules. Trust me, no one understands how hampering "playoff defense" is better than Suns fans.

 

[D-Dogg]

Don't be such a damn homer yourself though. Bryant is obviously throwing elbows purposely to clear room for himself. That's not your right as a player regardless of how tight the defense is. I agree with you that Bell is all over Bryant. I expect the referees are not going to let him play Kobe nearly as tightly tomorrow. Still, that doesn't mean it's acceptable for Kobe Bryant to elbow people in the face. He should be getting calls from the league.

Joe Mama

Honestly how many times has Kobe gotten Raja in the face in this series? I can only think of once. Raja has gotten the benefits of a lot of flops, but I only have seen one that really connected.

I disagree with clearing elbows not being part of the game. It's not a part I particularly like, but I also don't like the "defense" that players like Raja put out there. If you wanted to follow the NBA rules, Raja would foul out in less than a quarter, but he gets his leeway. If a guy is going to get leeway to play that way, then he's got to expect physical clearouts from the offensive player. Elbows are part of it.

I'd much rather see players actually defend guys and not circle their waist and pull and grab, and I'd much rather see no elbows getting tossed around to clear space. But if that's where a defender takes his game, then he better be ready.

I don't find this a homer take, just because it is Kobe in question. In a straight basketball sense, if there is physical play because of over-aggressive defense, I can not blame the offensive player for being more aggressive in retailiation. The only other player I can think of that guards people like Bell guards Kobe is Bowen, and I know how much you guys love him. Artest doesn't do that, but he is plain crazy anyway.

Let's put it this way...if Raja tried to guard LeBron the way he guards Kobe, he'd be fouled out before D'Antoni could get him to the bench, and ESPN would be calling for his head and a lifetime ban.

 

[D-Dogg]

There is a difference in strong defense and touching, fouling, grabbing defense.

Not in the playoffs there isn't.

If you weren't a Suns fan, you'd agree.

We've gotten used to it. Why do you think everyone was so happy when Bell was signed last summer? The Suns finally have someone who plays what the NBA considers "playoff defense." It's bull, but those are the rules. Trust me, no one understands how hampering "playoff defense" is better than Suns fans.

This exact post is the reason why you shouldn't be complaining about any elbows.

If that is the prevailing opinion (and it probably should be) then you can not in good measure get upset at elbows being thrown. Raja has escalated the physicality of the play; he has to deal with the consequences of his choice of defense. He's not doing a very good job with that to date.

 

[B-Dogg]

Kobe plays just as dirty as Raja, they both grab pull tug and do what ever they have to, to try and slow the other down it is just the way it goes in the playoffs. Raja crossed the line and got suspended for it enough said. But it did look like it turned Kobe into a one man show again which is exactly what the suns want cause when that happens the suns win. One of the most important things to come out of the last few games is that the Lakers have no answers for Diaw...

 

[elindholm]

This exact post is the reason why you shouldn't be complaining about any elbows.

I haven't been, but since you brought it up -- throwing elbows into opponents' faces is not yet an accepted part of "playoff basketball." It may be soon, but right now, it's still on the other side of the fuzzy line. Only a few star players are permitted to do it. Constant bumping and holding, however, is allowed by a much wider range of players, including both Bryant and Bell.

 

[slinslin]

Wow that picture from carnutt is pretty strong evidence. Kobe absolutey hits him in the fact and obviously on purpose. He doesn't even go for the ball, he is just elbowing Raja in the face.
Definately worse than what Posey and Haslem did but of course he would never be suspended for that.