So a week later: Would you still deal him?

[Treesquid PhD]

As Amare strings together more practices and gains strength, his value will continue to rise beyond what he was worth in this last offseason. People who claimed the Suns should have delt Amare in 20/20 hindsight, Would you still deal him for the right pacakge? Or is it too risky to deal him considering there is a chance he is now starting to get over the hump?

 

[carey]

I'm probably in the minority here, but I would. I just don't like having severely injured players under long term max contracts. If we extend Diaw, then wind up dealing Marion, and then have injury issues with Amare it could cost us any shot we have at a championship for 5 or 6 years.

 

[jbeecham]

I never wanted to deal Amare in the 1st place. There have been some positives in these 2 preseason games he's played in. He looks like he can recover a lot of his jumping/dunking/athleticism and his quickness looks good at times (not as good as the old Amare). He's also had a couple of plays where he jumped quickly for an offensive rebound and then jumped again for a dunk, which is a good sign. I've noticed a couple of times that he's had trouble changing directions or stopping once he started running in one direction (lateral quickness looks really bad right now as well). For Example, he was running on the fast break and saw the Suns turned the ball over but he just kept running for 4-5 more steps before he could turn and run back down to play defense. Obviously he looks out of place on the court, but that's not what's important right now because that should get better throughout the pre-season and season. Athletically, he's shown glimpses of the old Amare and has also shown concerns of potential problems that he'll hopefully be able to overcome. Amare used to thrive on his drives by being able to change directions quickly and go around slower players for dunks.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I'm probably in the minority here, but I would. I just don't like having severely injured players under long term max contracts. If we extend Diaw, then wind up dealing Marion, and then have injury issues with Amare it could cost us any shot we have at a championship for 5 or 6 years.

Well, I am sorta with you. If there comes a point where someone in our big 4 (Nash, Marion, Diaw, Amare) will have to go, at this point, I want it to be Amare. If he proves this season he can be injury free, I will change my stance.

 

[TucsonDevil]

Everything is negotionable. Amare for D-Wade, for example. I don't think anyone is untouchable anymore on this team.

 

[Nash]

At this stage, with him still recovering from the surgeries and the uncertainty over his long term durability, I'd do the Amare for Pau exchange in a heartbeat.

 

[sly fly]

Nope.

Ask any GM, and they would salivate at the thought of having Amare. Even with the big question mark.

 

[fordronken]

Depends on what we'd trade him for. If it was a Channing Frye-esque big guy and enough cap relief to extend Diaw...I'd have to say yes.

 

[mjb21aztd]

No I would not trade Amare because we need him in the lineup this year to have a chance to win a championship, I also thought Amare has looked pretty solid in preseason so far hes not 100 percent yet but he still looked very active out their.

 

[NastyOne]

At this stage, with him still recovering from the surgeries and the uncertainty over his long term durability, I'd do the Amare for Pau exchange in a heartbeat.

Yes trade a player almost fully healthy again for a player currently injured for awhile.

Makes alot of sense.

I wouldnt trade Amare for anyone in the NBA, Lebron/Wade included.

No one here would've done it preinjury, and i dont see why anyone would talk about doing it now because of a injury that doctors have said he will fully recover from.

The guy is 24 years old, not in his 30's.

And then some people complain about greedy athletes, when they would trade the young franchise player because there is a slight possibility that he might not be as dominant again.

Fans are just as greedy.

 

[Puppet]

Hi everyone, I'm new.

Trading Amare for Pao would be silly IMO, especially if we were doing it with the idea that it would give us a better chance at a championship. Pao will be injured for at least the 1st month of the season with his own knee injury he got at the World Champs. Sure Amare is a big question mark at the moment, but who says Pao will fully recover from his injury within a month? And if he were here he would also have to adapt to the Suns running game at the same time.

 

[pokerface]

I hate it when fans have a player at a low point and want to deal him....like other teams are stupid. Whatever "deal" we'd get offered for him is a deal we wouldn't like so why even go there.

 

[Puppet]

I hate it when fans have a player at a low point and want to deal him....like other teams are stupid. Whatever "deal" we'd get offered for him is a deal we wouldn't like so why even go there.

Well there's the Knicks, but I get what you're saying.

 

[pokerface]

Well there's the Knicks, but I get what you're saying.

LOL! You got me there....There's always the Knicks stupidity...and the Hawks!

 

[Puppet]

LOL! You got me there....There's always the Knicks stupidity...and the Hawks!

Ahh yes...the two best punchlines of any NBA-related joke these days.

 

[Joe Mama]

I wouldnt trade Amare for anyone in the NBA, Lebron/Wade included.

No one here would've done it preinjury, and i dont see why anyone would talk about doing it now because of a injury that doctors have said he will fully recover from.

The guy is 24 years old, not in his 30's.

And then some people complain about greedy athletes, when they would trade the young franchise player because there is a slight possibility that he might not be as dominant again.

Fans are just as greedy.

You are probably right about trading preinjury Amare Stoudemire for James or Wade. Now? I would do it in a heartbeat, and so would David Griffin and/or Mike D'Antoni. Both of those guys are bona fide superstars who are completely healthy. I mean you make it sound like Amare Stoudemire had minor knee surgery.

If Gasol was completely healthy and signed to a decent contract (I haven't checked out that situation) I would probably pull that trigger as well at this point. With a healthy Gasol this team is a favorite to win a championship, and he is only 26 years old himself. I'd have to think about that one, but I'm pretty sure I would do it.

Of course Gasol has his own injury problems.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm getting tired of being afraid to open up this message board in the morning. I'd thread seeing another "Amare's knees take him out of the rotation" thread. I don't know if I can take a whole season of that.

Joe

 

[dreamcastrocks]

You are probably right about trading preinjury Amare Stoudemire for James or Wade. Now? I would do it in a heartbeat, and so would David Griffin and/or Mike D'Antoni. Both of those guys are bona fide superstars who are completely healthy. I mean you make it sound like Amare Stoudemire had minor knee surgery.

If Gasol was completely healthy and signed to a decent contract (I haven't checked out that situation) I would probably pull that trigger as well at this point. With a healthy Gasol this team is a favorite to win a championship, and he is only 26 years old himself. I'd have to think about that one, but I'm pretty sure I would do it.

Of course Gasol has his own injury problems.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm getting tired of being afraid to open up this message board in the morning. I'd thread seeing another "Amare's knees take him out of the rotation" thread. I don't know if I can take a whole season of that.

Joe

Remember that the reported deal was Pau and a 1st for Amare. It even sweetens the deal a little.

 

[boisesuns]

I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm getting tired of being afraid to open up this message board in the morning. I'd thread seeing another "Amare's knees take him out of the rotation" thread. I don't know if I can take a whole season of that.

Joe

I think this as been suggested before, but maybe we should have an Amare update/progress thread with a sticky?

 

[Nash]

Yes trade a player almost fully healthy again for a player currently injured for awhile.

Makes alot of sense.

Currently injured? yes. But thats a minor injury that could happen to any sportsman and one Pau will recover completely from. Its not a worst case scenario needing a microfracture surgery!
Easy now..

 

[mribnik]

I think this as been suggested before, but maybe we should have an Amare update/progress thread with a sticky?

Good idea.

Edit: And for the record, I am against trading him for the likes of Gasol.

 

[Kolo]

Remember that the reported deal was Pau and a 1st for Amare. It even sweetens the deal a little.

Chicago also apparently made a deal, and I read it was something like Amare for Deng or Nocioni and a high pick. I'd prefer that to Pau--the pick would have been Tyrus Thomas or Sefalosha (presuming it was this year), and either of those + Deng would have been a pretty nice return.

Still, after what I've seen the past few days, I'm glad we didn't take either deal.

 

[NastyOne]

I don't know about you guys, but Amare is the player we drafted. Hes the player we watched grow into a monsterous player. Hes the player that gave us hope that we might actually win our first title in the very near future.

I rather win a title with Amare than without him.

But thats just me.

Even if it takes years for Amare to get back to his former level and it means we won't win anything while hes doing it, i rather it be that way than trade him for someone to bring us a title right away.

I'm a yankees fan and winning the championship in 96' was way more fun than it would be if they won right now.(Just better rooting for your homegrown stars)

I don't think i could root for the Suns if they got rid of Amare just cause he got injured and they want to move on without him just so they have a better shot at winning.

Until a medical report comes out saying Amare will never be the same again, we wait and allow him time to recover and return to his old dominant self.

Hes still untouchable imo

 

[fordronken]

I rather win a title with Amare than without him.

Well, duh. The issue comes down to this team having a legitimate title window for the next couple of years. If Amare can't play, it significantly hurts us. I think we're really close even without him, and that a legitimate big guy of lesser quality than Amare could still get it done.

The point is, title chances like these can go away in the blink of an eye. I would have no regrets over mortgaging the future if it gave us a real shot at a title this year and next. All I want is one.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Chicago also apparently made a deal, and I read it was something like Amare for Deng or Nocioni and a high pick. I'd prefer that to Pau--the pick would have been Tyrus Thomas or Sefalosha (presuming it was this year), and either of those + Deng would have been a pretty nice return.

Still, after what I've seen the past few days, I'm glad we didn't take either deal.

I dont like the Chicago deal at all. Even Deng/Nocioni + Tyrus Thomas doesn't look all that attractive.

 

[Nash]

I dont like the Chicago deal at all. Even Deng/Nocioni + Tyrus Thomas doesn't look all that attractive.

I feel the same way about the Chicago deal. None of them can replace Amare and add that extra dimension needed to win the title. Pau brings great size and skills and adding him would've made us an outright favourite. He could've taken over that dominant big man role. IMO, our window lasts only as long as Nash is playing at the current level. We all see how different the team on the floor is without him.

Hopefully the management takes it slow with Amare and eases him into the rotation. Getting him in shape for the
later rounds in the playoffs is key.

I hope we're good enough to clinch the best record in the West (yeah, I know thats asking for a lot). That way we don't have to butt heads with SA early on.

Edit : btw, I'm all for Boise's idea to create an "Amare recovery/related" sticky. There have been too many threads dedicated to pretty much the same discussion over the past 2 months. Plus, for those who want to open the forum and see the positive side for the time being, it would really help to not be greeted by a thread dedicated to Coro's latest flip flopping on Amare's status.
Moderators, your thoughts?