So a week later: Would you still deal him?

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Well, duh. The issue comes down to this team having a legitimate title window for the next couple of years. If Amare can't play, it significantly hurts us. I think we're really close even without him, and that a legitimate big guy of lesser quality than Amare could still get it done.

The point is, title chances like these can go away in the blink of an eye. I would have no regrets over mortgaging the future if it gave us a real shot at a title this year and next. All I want is one.

I think you missed what i was saying.

I could care less if we won a title if it meant having to move Amare to do it.
 

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I could care less if we won a title if it meant having to move Amare to do it.

yeesh, talk about cutting off the nose to spite the face. How long have you been a Suns fan and for what reason did you become one? The statement up above makes no sense to me as a die-hard life-long Sun fan. I would say "If we won a title, I could care less if we had to move Amare to do it" - no one man is bigger than the team.
 

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I feel the same way about the Chicago deal. None of them can replace Amare and add that extra dimension needed to win the title. Pau brings great size and skills and adding him would've made us an outright favourite. He could've taken over that dominant big man role. IMO, our window lasts only as long as Nash is playing at the current level. We all see how different the team on the floor is without him.

Hopefully the management takes it slow with Amare and eases him into the rotation. Getting him in shape for the
later rounds in the playoffs is key.

I hope we're good enough to clinch the best record in the West (yeah, I know thats asking for a lot). That way we don't have to butt heads with SA early on.

Edit : btw, I'm all for Boise's idea to create an "Amare recovery/related" sticky. There have been too many threads dedicated to pretty much the same discussion over the past 2 months. Plus, for those who want to open the forum and see the positive side for the time being, it would really help to not be greeted by a thread dedicated to Coro's latest flip flopping on Amare's status.
Moderators, your thoughts?

Pretty much agree with your thoughts, but imagine having 4 first round draft picks next year! That definitely would be enough to move up to get Oden if wanted.
 

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I don't know about you guys, but Amare is the player we drafted. Hes the player we watched grow into a monsterous player. Hes the player that gave us hope that we might actually win our first title in the very near future.

I rather win a title with Amare than without him.

But thats just me.

Even if it takes years for Amare to get back to his former level and it means we won't win anything while hes doing it, i rather it be that way than trade him for someone to bring us a title right away.

I'm a yankees fan and winning the championship in 96' was way more fun than it would be if they won right now.(Just better rooting for your homegrown stars)

I don't think i could root for the Suns if they got rid of Amare just cause he got injured and they want to move on without him just so they have a better shot at winning.

Until a medical report comes out saying Amare will never be the same again, we wait and allow him time to recover and return to his old dominant self.

Hes still untouchable imo

I hear you nastyone, youre talking with your heart and there is nothing wrong with that. But Amare has had a microfracture procedure, a very serious surgery that will probably shorten his career and stunt his productivity. With Gasol and the current core(diaw etc) the suns could win 3-4 championships, and would have a serious inside presence on both offense AND defense. I love Amare and my heart says to stay with this kid, but my mind says Gasol=dynasty in the near future for the suns while with amare the dynasty has a question mark in the middle of it. As far as Tyrus thomas, he's a less skilled version of Marion(6'8"), until otherwise proven, and 7' skilled players like Gasol only come around every so often.
 

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Pretty much agree with your thoughts, but imagine having 4 first round draft picks next year! That definitely would be enough to move up to get Oden if wanted.

4? lemme see : ours - 30 :), Cavs', Atl's.....whose is the 4th pick?

I hear a lot about next year's draft and its depth but haven't seen most of them play. Oden clearly seems the consensus No.1 and from the hype around him, I don't think any team would sacrifice a potential franchise player in exchange for 4 others. But then, its too early to contemplate on that.. And I want to see how good Oden really is...we'll have to wait till Jan or so because the dude's broken his hand/finger or something.

Also, I don't think the Suns can rest too much hope on their draft picks to make a title run because, with Nash coming close to retirement, we need instant contributors. Hopefully we can make some meaty trades come draft day next year. :devil:
 

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In my opinion Amare is going to be fine its just a mental block and having gone through reconstructive knee surgery myself he will get over it, its just a matter of time, and the time seems to be getting close. What we need to do is to lock up Diaw now 10mil a year is a fair deal for this guy he is going to get better and better and has only begun to show what he is capable of... lock him up now and deal with the cap later, we have three first round picks in what is going to be the deepest draft in a long long time, we can find help to replace a Marion if it comes to that, not only that but a Marion package plus picks may get us Oden, so there are many possibilites but locking up Diaw imo is a must...
 

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yeesh, talk about cutting off the nose to spite the face. How long have you been a Suns fan and for what reason did you become one? The statement up above makes no sense to me as a die-hard life-long Sun fan. I would say "If we won a title, I could care less if we had to move Amare to do it" - no one man is bigger than the team.

No one is bigger than the team, but what kind of message would the Suns send to its players by trading its core player because he got hurt?

And i've been a Suns fan for over 10 years and im 22 years old, so thats damn near half my life.

It has nothing to do with just being a fan of the Suns, im also a fan of the players on the suns, especially the players like Amare who i so badly wanted them to draft and then having him fall into our laps on draft night, where i could then watch his career take off after bringing him in and grooming him into the player he has become.

It would kill alot of Suns fan to see all of that thrown away because they felt they couldnt wait on him to fully recover.

Getting Gasol could guarantee this team a title this season and i still wouldnt rather him over Amare.

We will win a title soon, we just need to be patient and allow Amare to do his thing and get back to the player he was on his way to becoming before he got derailed.

With his attitude,work ethic and him being very young still, i doubt there is anything that is going to stop Amare from being a dominant player once again.
 

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In my opinion Amare is going to be fine its just a mental block and having gone through reconstructive knee surgery myself he will get over it, its just a matter of time, and the time seems to be getting close. What we need to do is to lock up Diaw now 10mil a year is a fair deal for this guy he is going to get better and better and has only begun to show what he is capable of... lock him up now and deal with the cap later, we have three first round picks in what is going to be the deepest draft in a long long time, we can find help to replace a Marion if it comes to that, not only that but a Marion package plus picks may get us Oden, so there are many possibilites but locking up Diaw imo is a must...

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE - will you guys get off the "picks and so and so" may get us Oden - guys, there are VERY FEW players who ever come into the league with the kind of pedigree/hype that Oden has - Lebron, Tim Duncan and Shaq and David Robinson are the only ones I can think of - whoevr gets the first pick WILL NOT TRADE IT - PERIOD.
 

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Getting Gasol could guarantee this team a title this season and i still wouldnt rather him over Amare.

sorry, but even though I completely disagree with the above basketball premise here (Gasol wouldn't guarantee anything) but if for some reason he DID - then any long-suffering b-ball fan in their right mind would make that trade in a heartbeat.

Nasty, you've followed the team for 10 years, which means THIS Suns team is the first one you've ever seen actually be a contender - this is my THIRD Suns team that I've seen be a contender and you know what, with the other two, I really believed that with a little patience, each one of them would eventually win a title - but guess what, stuff happens and things don't always go as planned and neither of those teams won jack squat.

it's cutting off the nose to spite your face to say you wouldn't enjoy a title without Amare - you obviously haven't suffered long enough as a Suns fan. That's all I can say.
 

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Last week, I would have traded him.

This week, I would not.

Next week, I will want to trade him again. :D
 

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Which Gasol are we talking about, pre-injury or post? I know Amare with knee problems is not ideal, but neither is a big guy with foot problems
 

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Who could we get for Amare? I know some of you folks out there keep lists of such things.
 

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Who could we get for Amare? I know some of you folks out there keep lists of such things.

The old Amare was one of the most dominant players in the league. However, if your another GM, how much would you give up for a player that has a max contract and may not ever regain his previous ability... and may be at significant risk for further injury?

Hopefully this is not Amare's future, but another GM and ownership would have to look at both the upside and downside of such a trade. Actually, until Amare proves himself healthy, he may have a negative trade value. My worst fear is that Amare returns to only a shadow of his old self after injury... like Tom Gugliotta did in Phoenix.

I see only a team like New York willing to take such a gamble. I'm not sure what they would trade in return. I fear for the franchise if the Suns have to eat his contract.
 
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IMO, our window lasts only as long as Nash is playing at the current level. We all see how different the team on the floor is without him.

Most important comment made in this thread.... Nash has 2 to 3 years left IMO. And the 3rd year could be on a decline. THAT is our Window.
 
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