So after the bowl; are you sold on Jonanthan Stewart yet!11!

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We are not a spread offense at heart. We are a power running team with very zone schemes.

Stewart is a shifty, quick tailback in the mold of JJ Arrington. Honestly, why would ANYONE think that he is a better option than the best OL/DL/CB available at #16. The only other position even worth thinking about is LB.

Jonathan Stewart, RB, Oregon
5-11, 233, 4.50

Biggest pro: Combination of burst and power.
Biggest con: Durability.
Draft projection: First round.
I don't care what his numbers are. The kid is not what this team needs to become more successful next year.

He is a highly polished round peg trying to be put in a square hole. And in my opinion, not right for the Cardinals. And honestly, he breaks Rule #1 of my new Cardinal rule book. Wiz will stick to his plan, and not be tricked by the flash of the skill positions.

You win these days when you have superior talent in three key areas. Offensive Line, Defensive Line, & Coaching Staff. Without them.... You stay inconsistent.
 
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This guy lookslike a STUD. 21 carries for 219 yards and 1 TD along with 2 catches for 28 yds and 1 TD...through three quarters!

So if we are going by one game stats how about Mizzou's Tony Temple 281 yards on 24 carries with 4 TDs against Arkansas? Temple is good but the Mizzou offensive line dominated Arkansas. That is why I like to draft the linemen. 3 of those Mizzou linemen are seniors.
 

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It will all start by making some cuts of some household names. Shipp, Berry and Holt to name just 3.

Only in the homes of Cardinals fans are these names bandied about.

I'm not sure if that's funny or if it's sad.
 

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We are not a spread offense at heart. We are a power running team with very zone schemes.

Stewart is a shifty, quick tailback in the mold of JJ Arrington. Honestly, why would ANYONE think that he is a better option than the best OL/DL/CB available at #16. The only other position even worth thinking about is LB.

I don't care what his numbers are. The kid is not what this team needs to become more successful next year.

He is a highly polished round peg trying to be put in a square hole. And in my opinion, not right for the Cardinals. And honestly, he breaks Rule #1 of my new Cardinal rule book. Wiz will stick to his plan, and not be tricked by the flash of the skill positions.

You win these days when you have superior talent in three key areas. Offensive Line, Defensive Line, & Coaching Staff. Without them.... You stay inconsistent.
It's easy to see that you haven't watched him play enough.
 

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I said it before the bowl game, during the bowl game and I ain't changing my mind after the game. I had him picked over McFadden all along. This a 2 RB draft and Graves needs to do what he can to get Stewart.

USF can actually play defense and he made them look silly. Dixon stole the spotlight early in the season, and deservedly, but Stewart was way beyond steady all year.
 

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Stewart looked great, but so did McFadden, Felix Jones and R. Mendenhall. I have been pimping him for a while now, and while I am sure he will be great, I will not be upset when he is gone before we select. I am with anytime in that no matter who your running back is, they will look like garbage if you have a crap line like we do.

Forget Peterson for a minute and look how good Chester Taylor has been in Minnesota. He is a career backup, who faces 8-9 man fronts on every down because they are no threat to pass and still racks up yards. Please someone tell me that the line isn't 75% responsible for that. If we had guys who could open the types of holes that LT and AD get Edge would surprise you with 1,500. I am hoping that Sam Baker could fall to us, though I doubt he will.
 

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I am hoping that Sam Baker could fall to us, though I doubt he will.
I'm sure he could be there, but the thing is that doesn't fit what Grimm looks for. He's a finesse, pass-blocker.
 

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We are not a spread offense at heart. We are a power running team with very zone schemes.

Stewart is a shifty, quick tailback in the mold of JJ Arrington. Honestly, why would ANYONE think that he is a better option than the best OL/DL/CB available at #16. The only other position even worth thinking about is LB.

I don't care what his numbers are. The kid is not what this team needs to become more successful next year.

He is a highly polished round peg trying to be put in a square hole. And in my opinion, not right for the Cardinals. And honestly, he breaks Rule #1 of my new Cardinal rule book. Wiz will stick to his plan, and not be tricked by the flash of the skill positions.

You win these days when you have superior talent in three key areas. Offensive Line, Defensive Line, & Coaching Staff. Without them.... You stay inconsistent.

We are not a power run team. We are a balanced offense just like Pitt was the last 2 years Wiz was calling plays for Pitt. Unless you think Willie Parker is a power RB.

Then you post a pro's and con's that completely contradicts what you think of the guy? You stated, "Stewart is a shifty, quick tailback in the mold of JJ Arrington", yet your pros and cons state, "Combination of burst and power. So which is it? He is a 230 pound RB with speed, burst and power. JJ Arrington is a 210 pound RB with just burst and speed.
 

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Those are some good numbers.

5'11" 230# ? That is a pretty good sized back. I was impressed with his performance, and wouldn't mind seeing him in Arizona.
I agree. Actually, I liked him better than McFadden.

Funny, but being 5-11 (and not taller) may be an advantage - i.e. a 230 lb dude with a low enough center of gravity.
 

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Forget Peterson for a minute and look how good Chester Taylor has been in Minnesota. He is a career backup, who faces 8-9 man fronts on every down because they are no threat to pass and still racks up yards. Please someone tell me that the line isn't 75% responsible for that. If we had guys who could open the types of holes that LT and AD get Edge would surprise you with 1,500. I am hoping that Sam Baker could fall to us, though I doubt he will.

So why did this career backup only average 4 YPC last year behind the same OL? They replaced one starter on their OL and he's the RG, everyone insists they get the yardage running left.

The line isn't 75% responsible for it, there someone told you.
 

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It's easy to see that you haven't watched him play enough.


Not true Shogun... I watched him in 5 key games this year. Michigan, ASU, USC, Cal & S. Florida.

The dude is a stud. No Doubt. He is not anywhere near our primary need. He isn't on our top 5 list of needs.

1. CB
2. DE
3. OL
4. ILB
5. OLB
 

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We are not a power run team. We are a balanced offense just like Pitt was the last 2 years Wiz was calling plays for Pitt. Unless you think Willie Parker is a power RB.

Then you post a pro's and con's that completely contradicts what you think of the guy? You stated, "Stewart is a shifty, quick tailback in the mold of JJ Arrington", yet your pros and cons state, "Combination of burst and power. So which is it? He is a 230 pound RB with speed, burst and power. JJ Arrington is a 210 pound RB with just burst and speed.

We are a power run team. All of our schemes are based on power techniques. As far as being balanced, That has nothing to do with a power running style. Willie Parker was an undrafted rookie with enormous intangibles. Is he a power back? No. Is he the best the Steelers had over an aging Bettis, and all of the other re-treads they brought in. Yes. And in fact, Parker is a stud who wasn't a first round pick. Keep that in mind when Stewart is picked by someone else.

I think Stewart is great.... In fact... He is a 1st round RB. Probably more in the 20's, than the teens though IMO.

My whole point is that he is not a primary need of ours. We should not pick him because we have bigger needs.
 
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Not true Shogun... I watched him in 5 key games this year. Michigan, ASU, USC, Cal & S. Florida.

The dude is a stud. No Doubt. He is not anywhere near our primary need. He isn't on our top 5 list of needs.

1. CB
2. DE
3. OL
4. ILB
5. OLB

Why is ILB a need? You dont believe we will re-sign or franchise Dansby?
Also do you not believe some of those needs will be filled in free agency?
After you take out ILB which is not a need, then take out a few others becuase of FA pick up, do you then pick a player that is lesser of a player becuase its a need or do you go for the stud that can still fill a role on your team now and in the future.
 

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Why is ILB a need? You dont believe we will re-sign or franchise Dansby?
Also do you not believe some of those needs will be filled in free agency?
After you take out ILB which is not a need, then take out a few others becuase of FA pick up, do you then pick a player that is lesser of a player becuase its a need or do you go for the stud that can still fill a role on your team now and in the future.

ILB is a need based on our Depth. Blackstock, Pace, Johnson, etc... are not good enough to back up Dansby when he misses time. Something he has done in each of the past two years.

Could it be filled in FA? Sure. But IMO the money we have should go towards Faneca, Asomugha (sp?), or Florence.

I see LB's coming in the middle rounds this year. Unless Maualuga comes out.

I bolded that last part to let you know I don't deal with what if's.... If we had every pick in the first round, then I would be all for Stewart. If we had an unlimited budget, We could buy everybody off the FA list.

Hopefully some of our needs are filled in FA. Until then, this is what I think our primary needs are.
 
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ILB is a need based on our Depth. Blackstock, Pace, Johnson, etc... are not good enough to back up Dansby when he misses time. Something he has done in each of the past two years.

Could it be filled in FA? Sure. But IMO the money we have should go towards Faneca, Asomugha (sp?), or Florence.

I see LB's coming in the middle rounds this year. Unless Maualuga comes out.

Beisel is a capable replacement at ILB and not even a first 3 round of the draft need worthy.

Also I didnt say just fill ILB in FA I said any of your needs. So you think we can fill OL and CB in free agency thus not making them a need any more, so now your list is not dwindled down to DE and OLB. Now there is only one 3-4 DE worthy of the first round and that is Long who will be long gone. Now you are forced to pick an OLB no matter what or who the player is? Same goes for any of the positions. Just pointing out that our needs right now will not be our needs come April and that is a fact.
 
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Beisel is a capable replacement at ILB and not even a first 3 round of the draft need worthy.

Also I didnt say just fill ILB in FA I said any of your needs. So you think we can fill OL and CB in free agency thus not making them a need any more, so now your list is not dwindled down to DE and OLB. Now there is only one 3-4 DE worthy of the first round and that is Long who will be long gone. Now you are forced to pick an OLB no matter what or who the player is? Same goes for any of the positions. Just pointing out that our needs right now will not be our needs come April and that is a fact.

I don't think anything. In fact I said that I don't deal in what-if's. And I agree with your last statement. Our needs will change.

but.

Until we have had a free agency period, these are the needs I see as our top priorities with CB & DE as our primary needs. IF we sign some free agents, which may or may not happen with the Fitz, Dansby, & Pace negotiations, THEN and ONLY then will my needs list change.
 
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If cason is gone, which I think he *will* be...I'd be all over Stewart. He's a hell of a running back.

Prototypical back.

He's my second bandwagon pick (since I won't even address the pipe of McFadden going to us).
 

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Until we have had a free agency period, these are the needs I see as our top priorities with CB & DE as our primary needs. IF we sign some free agents, which may or may not happen with the Fitz, Dansby, & Pace negotiations, THEN and ONLY then will my needs list change.

You have even less faith in the front office then I do it would seem.;)
 

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Considering you didnt add that what ifs part until I started writting my respone I didnt put any words anywhere.



You have even less faith in the front office then I do it would seem.

I do have little faith. I agree with that. Will that change? Maybe. I am one of the guys that didn't like the Edge or the Emmitt Smith signings. I think that in the past we have made style more important than substance, but, I think Wiz has changed the atmosphere somewhat.

I will always have an uneasy feeling about my team since I live so close to Pottsville.
 

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So why did this career backup only average 4 YPC last year behind the same OL? They replaced one starter on their OL and he's the RG, everyone insists they get the yardage running left.

The line isn't 75% responsible for it, there someone told you.
If you wanna use YPC, then why did that career backup average 5.4 this year. That is only .2 YPC less than one Adrian Peterson, who many of you are calling the best in the game. Taylor gained 1,200 yds last year in 15 games against 8-9 man fronts because he was on the worst passing team in the league. If you dont think that is an achievement in itself then there is no sense in trying to reason with you.

The line also was together for another year. Doesn't that mean nothing as well?
 
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