So, how can people not like Jay Cutler but love John Elway?

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Elway refused to play for the colts when he was drafted by them just because he thought they weren't good enough. I don't mean to stick up for Cutler, I do think he needs to settle down, but I don't get why people could love Elway but hate Cutler when Elway basically did the same thing.
 

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The situation is different. Elway didn't want to play for the Colts because it was a bad situation there. Cutler doesn't want to play for the Broncos because he feels that McDaniels insulted him. People also like Elway because he was a pro bowler, All-Pro, Super Bowl winner, and lock for the hall of fame. People are more forgiving to winners.
 

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John Elway is one of the greatest QB's of all time, and got the Broncos to the Superbowl, let alone the playoffs. Cutler is a whiny punk who thinks he is entitled to something.
 
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The situation is different. Elway didn't want to play for the Colts because it was a bad situation there. Cutler doesn't want to play for the Broncos because he feels that McDaniels insulted him. People also like Elway because he was a pro bowler, All-Pro, Super Bowl winner, and lock for the hall of fame. People are more forgiving to winners.

i'll buy that
 

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would you trade leinart for him?
Yup, I wanted Cutler in that draft and hoped we drafted him then. I never have liked Leinart. I think he was a product of being on great teams in college.

I will hope he does well while he is on our team but I still prefer Cutler from day one.
 
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John Elway is one of the greatest QB's of all time, and got the Broncos to the Superbowl, let alone the playoffs. Cutler is a whiny punk who thinks he is entitled to something.

i'll buy that too
 

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Elway wasn't beloved -- even in Denver -- until he'd been around for a while.
 

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Cutler has zero innate leadership ability and lacks the intangible that most winners carry, the ability to raise the level of play of those around him. He's Jeff George, strong armed but couldn't lead boy scouts on a nature hike.
 

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Elway wasn't beloved -- even in Denver -- until he'd been around for a while.

Very true and when he said he wouldn't go to the Colts plenty of fans and players ripped him. Also signed with the Yankees if I recall correctly.

Not fair to compare Cutler to the Elway after his career is over.
 

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Cutler has zero innate leadership ability and lacks the intangible that most winners carry, the ability to raise the level of play of those around him. He's Jeff George, strong armed but couldn't lead boy scouts on a nature hike.
Yes, because the great QBs like Elway and Co. could influence his team's porous defense from the sidelines. :rolleyes:

Leadership issues are valid (that last stretch of the season was brutal) and I'll agree with whiny in this ordeal to a degree, but Jeff George? He's better than that and some people aren't giving him credit for what he's done so far in his career. Not even the great St. Pierre would win consistently when he's put in a shoot out every week.
 

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Cutler has zero innate leadership ability and lacks the intangible that most winners carry, the ability to raise the level of play of those around him. He's Jeff George, strong armed but couldn't lead boy scouts on a nature hike.

No credibility after this post. He isn't responsible for the defense--that's a given--and how in the heck did he get the offense running when he was playing with, like, 7th string running backs? A headcase with questionable hands as a star WR? A rookie WR on the other side? Cutler wasn't perfect, and hopefully he plays better going forward, but the above hyperbole is just plain silly.
 

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Elway told the Colts not to draft him and would play baseball if they did. That's a ton different than what Cutler is doing. Elway used his leverage as a two star athlete. Cutler is whining because he was ALMOST traded. He can't be brought back because the team is going to look at him in a completely different matter. Do you think guys are going to want to be led by a whiny, cry-baby, sissy boy? It's the NFL.These guys are about respect and Cutler is losing his by the day. Has there been one NFL player that has come out in Cutler's corner? Even the ex-players like Schlereth, Golic, and the ex-Broncos at the function Cutler blew off have been critical of Cutler's stance.
 

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I don'[t like Elway. When he refused to play for the Colts it had a lot to do with Frank Kush was the coach at the time. Kush was a tough coach but I always admired him. He certainly put ASU on the map.
 

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Elway told the Colts not to draft him and would play baseball if they did. That's a ton different than what Cutler is doing. Elway used his leverage as a two star athlete. Cutler is whining because he was ALMOST traded. He can't be brought back because the team is going to look at him in a completely different matter. Do you think guys are going to want to be led by a whiny, cry-baby, sissy boy? It's the NFL.These guys are about respect and Cutler is losing his by the day. Has there been one NFL player that has come out in Cutler's corner? Even the ex-players like Schlereth, Golic, and the ex-Broncos at the function Cutler blew off have been critical of Cutler's stance.

Way, waaaaaaaaaaaaay off base. He was almost traded, and then at every turn his THIRTY-TWO year old coach, instead of mending fences and making all well, keeps snubbing and insulting him. Good lord, has any young, rookie HC ever acted this idiotically with their new pro bowl QB? Cutler has been a little too vocal in his reacitons, yes, but he has every right to be po'ed.
 

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Way, waaaaaaaaaaaaay off base. He was almost traded, and then at every turn his THIRTY-TWO year old coach, instead of mending fences and making all well, keeps snubbing and insulting him. Good lord, has any young, rookie HC ever acted this idiotically with their new pro bowl QB? Cutler has been a little too vocal in his reacitons, yes, but he has every right to be po'ed.
Elway and Reeve's relationship was horrible...and public. Elway was almost traded to the Skins at one point.

Has McDaniels handled this well? Hell no, but Cutler has responded even worse, IMO.

...and I'm a fan of Cutler's ability, but this isn't leadership--it's mutiny.
 

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I don'[t like Elway. When he refused to play for the Colts it had a lot to do with Frank Kush was the coach at the time. Kush was a tough coach but I always admired him. He certainly put ASU on the map.

Interesting now that his son goes to ASU. Kind of funny.

Cutler acted like a human being. Can we call it sissy? Yep. But if that's the case, a whole lot of players who talk about feelings are sissies then. So it isn't isolated, but he's taking the brunt of it. He represents probably 1/4 to 1/2 of NFL players. In that if put in a similar situation, that many would act this way. We may not like it, but it is how things currently are. (And not just in the NFL)

The Elway situation he was willing to say 'he won't play in the NFL'. IMO it is a bit more extreme for a 'undrafted' player (via he wasn't yet drafted) to try to dictate what team he would go to, and have it back at a time where players weren't like this (and wasn't socially acceptable to be whiny like players are) imo was a bigger situation than Cutler's. The shock value of what's worse. Elway in 83 or Cutler in 09. Elway would win hands down on what was a worse thing to do.

Also Elway benefits from us looking at him from 2009 eyes, not 1985 or so which is where we are with Cutler.

It's a couple of years before my time, but before 'the drive' in 86, and remembering some of his early year stats, Elway didn't appear on the surface even as good as Cutler statwise.

Again, trading in the nfl is also a different beast. In other leagues, baseball, basketball, hockey; trades are routine. Players switch around via trades all the time, and it's part of the business.

In the NFL trades are rare. Although they have been picking up in the last couple of seasons, the NFL for the most part is a non-trade league. Players don't worry about being traded, and none of their peers or those that came before them had to deal with this and thus it's a new beast in the NFL, or at least a continuing uncommon one.

Cutler was treated like crap. I'd like to see how Eli Manning would respond if say Coughlin was fired, Denny Green was hired (lol) and proceeded to try to trade Manning. Actually that's not a real fair comparison. Cutler is still a few years younger.

So you got a guy who by all accounts is one of the best young qb's in a league starved for young star qb's. Maybe he does have a 5 cent head, but he still has a million dollar arm. He still has all the tools.

It had to be a shock. This is the sort of thing QBs at 30-33 should expect in calmer terms, like the drafting of an heir apparent. This kid is new, still ascending, doing a fairly good job, and sometimes an outstanding job, and is being bandied about in trade talks. That had to be a shock.

Then when given a chance to backtrack, the brand new coach who hadn't coached a single event with the Broncos, basically said he wouldn't backtrack. A guy who was probably in college when Cutler was probably a freshman hs QB.

Yes he's the coach, and has the power, but that doesn't mean how he weilds it is right, or smart, or wise. It just means he has the authority to weild it.

My guess is, he won't be wielding it for long.

If a book is written on how not to start off as an NFL head coach. This guy surely didn't read it. Because he's done exactly what such a book says DON'T DO.

Did Cutler look like an donkey? Yep, but understandable

But his coach looked like an even bigger fool than Cutler looked like a donkey.

Either way, if you are a Broncos fans, having a bunch of fools and donkey's around isn't a good sign, unless it's a rodeo.
 

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No credibility after this post. He isn't responsible for the defense--that's a given--and how in the heck did he get the offense running when he was playing with, like, 7th string running backs? A headcase with questionable hands as a star WR? A rookie WR on the other side? Cutler wasn't perfect, and hopefully he plays better going forward, but the above hyperbole is just plain silly.

So does that excuse the fact that he only had to win ONE game of 3 to get in the playoffs and he managed 2 TDs and 4 INTs??? A winner steps up his game in crunch time, he didn't. He only needed 1 good game,

People are blinded by stats and numbers, look at wins and losses and the guys attitude. Do you really think guys look at him in the huddle and believe in him? I sure as heck don't.
 

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I don't know. I dislike both of them.
 

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So does that excuse the fact that he only had to win ONE game of 3 to get in the playoffs and he managed 2 TDs and 4 INTs??? A winner steps up his game in crunch time, he didn't. He only needed 1 good game,

People are blinded by stats and numbers, look at wins and losses and the guys attitude. Do you really think guys look at him in the huddle and believe in him? I sure as heck don't.

Did he play bad down the stretch? Of course he did. Were there mitigating factors? Of course there are--being forced to do it all can make you throw picks. Should he have done better? Sure. Will he do better in the future? Not sure. Does he deserve to be crucified for all of his team's shortcomings? ABSOLUTELY NOT.
 

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Did he play bad down the stretch? Of course he did. Were there mitigating factors? Of course there are--being forced to do it all can make you throw picks. Should he have done better? Sure. Will he do better in the future? Not sure. Does he deserve to be crucified for all of his team's shortcomings? ABSOLUTELY NOT.

I never said he was responsible for all his teams shortcomings, I just truly believe the guy is not a winner...he'll never challenge for a Championship, he just doesn't have "IT". He may make the playoffs a few times in his career just like Jeff George but he'll never be the type of guy to inspire his team to go to the next level (Warner & Fitzgerald are 2 examples of guys who did that for the Cardinals this post season -- Roethlisberger is an example for the Steelers). By comparison do I think Cutler would have led the Steelers on that game winning drive against the Cardinals? Hell no, and I doubt his team would have believed him capable--do you think there was any lack of belief of their QB in the Steeler huddle in the 4th quarter of the Super Bowl?
 

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So does that excuse the fact that he only had to win ONE game of 3 to get in the playoffs and he managed 2 TDs and 4 INTs???
The Broncos D gave up 30, 30 and 52 in those three games. How did the Cardinals fare when they fell behind early and became predictable and one-dimensional vs. Philly, NE, etc.?
People are blinded by stats and numbers, look at wins and losses and the guys attitude. Do you really think guys look at him in the huddle and believe in him? I sure as heck don't.
Well, he looks like Jim Bruer's long lost brother so I'm not going to base much on how he looks from the TV side of things. If you can read lips/minds of the guys in the huddle then you've got a distinct advantage in this conversation.
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It's too early to judge him in regards to winning championships. He has done very well without a defense and without a running game. Put him in Minnesota and if he doesn't lead them to the playoffs then I'll be right on board with the Jeff George comparisons. But since he's been on the AFC equivelant of the '06 Cardinals(no defense/no running game), I think he's done well enough.
 
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