So, just how big is the Skins game?

The Skins - Big game or not?


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Cheese, up until 6 mins left in the game, we were winning! The friggin score was 10-9! Our offense sucked! Our defense kept in check one of the best WR's in the game! I don't care if it was Testicals or some other schmuck throwing the ball, sooner or later Smith is going to hurt you! It's just not reasonable to expect our defense to shut him down for an entire game. We don't have a secondary filled with Pro Bowlers for gods sake...
Our offense SHOULD be capable of putting up more than 10 points in a game!

Look at Steves Smith stat line. They did not keep him in check at all. Please dont come back with the if you took away the long TD argument either. That is one of the sillyest arguments one can make in all of sports.
 

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Look at Steves Smith stat line. They did not keep him in check at all. Please dont come back with the if you took away the long TD argument either. That is one of the sillyest arguments one can make in all of sports.

Well, under 100 yards and no TD's is considered keeping Smith in check IMO. So if you throw that TD pass out. That counts in my book.

However, I won't throw that TD out, and we got abused on that drive.
 

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Cheese, up until 6 mins left in the game, we were winning! The friggin score was 10-9! Our offense sucked! Our defense kept in check one of the best WR's in the game! I don't care if it was Testicals or some other schmuck throwing the ball, sooner or later Smith is going to hurt you! It's just not reasonable to expect our defense to shut him down for an entire game. We don't have a secondary filled with Pro Bowlers for gods sake...
Our offense SHOULD be capable of putting up more than 10 points in a game!

Uh, I put fault on the offense 82 saying the game came down to KILLER drive killing drops/fumbles into the air for turnovers, but the defense sucked as well. I don't care what the score was with 6 minutes left - last time I looked football was a 60minute game, not 54 and when you're playing against a team that has scored 23 points in their previous two games COMBINED, giving up 25 to them is pathetic. It was a pathetic performance all the way around.
 

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Well, under 100 yards and no TD's is considered keeping Smith in check IMO. So if you throw that TD pass out. That counts in my book.

However, I won't throw that TD out, and we got abused on that drive.

Thats just it. if you took out all of Steves Smiths long TD's in a day or Chad Johnsons etc..... They would just be average WR's. That is what they do. They bide their time and then at some point in the game they get you. So no it wasnt keeping him in check. Im sorry it just isn't.
 
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Uh, I put fault on the offense 82 saying the game came down to KILLER drive killing drops/fumbles into the air for turnovers, but the defense sucked as well. I don't care what the score was with 6 minutes left - last time I looked football was a 60minute game, not 54 and when you're playing against a team that has scored 23 points in their previous two games COMBINED, giving up 25 to them is pathetic. It was a pathetic performance all the way around.

While I do believe our defense fell apart at the very end, I refuse to lay blame for the loss on them... Shane, see DCR's comments relative to Smith - you're wrong buddy...
Of course football is a 60 minute game... And you're telling me our offense can't put up more than 10 points in 60 mins???
You are totally discounting Smith and his ability to hurt a team every time he steps on the field. We should not have given up that TD, but it was Smith and he WILL get his TD's no matter who is guarding him...
Sorry, the Panther loss falls squarely on the offense... Smith's TD should have never mattered...
 

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While I do believe our defense fell apart at the very end, I refuse to lay blame for the loss on them... Shane, see DCR's comments relative to Smith - you're wrong buddy...
Of course football is a 60 minute game... And you're telling me our offense can't put up more than 10 points in 60 mins???
You are totally discounting Smith and his ability to hurt a team every time he steps on the field. We should not have given up that TD, but it was Smith and he WILL get his TD's no matter who is guarding him...
Sorry, the Panther loss falls squarely on the offense... Smith's TD should have never mattered...

that loss rests on the team's shoulders. Again, if the Bucs could go out ON THE ROAD, against Carolina's SECOND STRING QB and hold them to 7 points, I see no reason why blame can be lifted from our defense who were facing the Panthers THIRD STRING QB and allowing more points. Both the offense and defense were to blame, plain and simple.
 

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Thats just it. if you took out all of Steves Smiths long TD's in a day or Chad Johnsons etc..... They would just be average WR's. That is what they do. They bide their time and then at some point in the game they get you. So no it wasnt keeping him in check. Im sorry it just isn't.

Pretty much any QB/receiver combo in the NFL would have scored when the CB decides to take a vacation in the middle of the play (with the possible exception of skillet-hands). Up to that point, Smith was having a below average day. Perhaps it was our Defense, but more likely it was because of their QB woes.

Personally, I'm with Cheese on this one, it took the whole team lay an egg this big.

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Like I said before, this defense doesn't have a legit starting CB on the roster. I don't see how you can expect them to shut down one of the best WRs in the league.

Cincinnati is going to eat us alive.
 
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that loss rests on the team's shoulders. Again, if the Bucs could go out ON THE ROAD, against Carolina's SECOND STRING QB and hold them to 7 points, I see no reason why blame can be lifted from our defense who were facing the Panthers THIRD STRING QB and allowing more points. Both the offense and defense were to blame, plain and simple.


The Bucs defense is significantly better than ours Cheese and you know it...
And as I said, regardless of who the QB is, Steve Smith is going to get you sooner or later. The fact that he only scored once against us is quite an accomplishment!
 

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Every game is important but I look at this game as a transition game. I do not want to see Q or Warner rushed back with the bye week looming (although Whisenhunt will probably disappoint me). This team can control it's destiny after the bye with everypone back and healthy and the schedule easing a bit (note I do not think it is easy...no schedule really is for this team). This division is right in their grasp and wasting that chance by making poor personnel decisions this Sunday will snatch it right out of this team's hands.

While a win would be great, a "healthy" loss, IMO, is not the end of the season. SEA is broken and I see no reason why their misfortune will suddenly swing the other direction. STL can cause some problems as they get healthy but they have a huge hill to climb. SF is lurking but I don't look at them with any real fear. This is the Cards chance. Do everything right this weekend, even if it results in a loss, and I think it will pay dividends after the bye.
 

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The Bucs defense is significantly better than ours Cheese and you know it...

and the Saints D? Against their second string QB? Giving up 25 points and getting ZERO turnovers against a team who's starting AARP Vinny is PATHETIC, just as pathetic as scoring 10 points.
 

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And as I said, regardless of who the QB is, Steve Smith is going to get you sooner or later. The fact that he only scored once against us is quite an accomplishment!

really? Cause in the three games previous to our game, once Delhomme was injured and out, Steve Smiths numbers were 10 catches for 89 yards a TD. 3 GAMES - with bad QBs, he was shut down. So yes, our D going el-foldo against him and allowing him to post better numbers in one game than the previous three COMBINED is pathetic.
 

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The Bucs defense is significantly better than ours Cheese and you know it..

So you admit that our defense isn't any good?
 
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really? Cause in the three games previous to our game, once Delhomme was injured and out, Steve Smiths numbers were 10 catches for 89 yards a TD. 3 GAMES - with bad QBs, he was shut down. So yes, our D going el-foldo against him and allowing him to post better numbers in one game than the previous three COMBINED is pathetic.


We can go back and forth forever on this... Our defense played well enough to give our team to win. The offense did not take advantage of the opportunity provided to them by our defense.
Yes, in the final 6 mins of the game, our defense folded. In fact, I would venture to say that some actually gave up. That sucks and certainly does not suggest our defense is great... They're not.
 

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We can go back and forth forever on this... Our defense played well enough to give our team to win. The offense did not take advantage of the opportunity provided to them by our defense.
Yes, in the final 6 mins of the game, our defense folded. In fact, I would venture to say that some actually gave up. That sucks and certainly does not suggest our defense is great... They're not.

and what about last week when we played a horrific Rams team and gave up 31 points? Look, we were without BOTH our first two quarterbacks and our best WR - that's a game the defense HAS to rise to the occassion, as the offense did the previously week when the defense was pathetic against an absolutely pathetic Rams team. How yoou can put blame on only one side of the ball here is beyond words to me considering who was out for our offense and who our defense was actually playing.

Honestly, when you're at home, down significant players on offense, squaring up against a team with a third string QB who a) can't move b) is 44 years old and c) hadn't even been in the league until three days before he played, 10 points actually should have been enough to win if you're defense is worth a lick. The fact that we couldn't produce ONE turnover and could only get two coverage sacks is relatively disgusting... as disgusting as the offense was.
 

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Uh - no... Where did I say that?? :shock:

You said Tampa's defense is significantly better than the Cardinals. Tampa's defense isn't good enough to be significantly better than any but the weakest defenses in the NFL.
 
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You said Tampa's defense is significantly better than the Cardinals. Tampa's defense isn't good enough to be significantly better than any but the weakest defenses in the NFL.

Dude - are you kidding?? Take out their game against the Colts, and look at their stats... They destroy us!
 

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Dude - are you kidding?? Take out their game against the Colts, and look at their stats... They destroy us!

yeah, they've played two games against teams with NFL caliber offenses and, surprise, surprise, they gave up a ton of yards and a season high in points (36 and 20) and then they played against the dregs of the league and did what decent defenses should do - continue to make them the dregs of the Earth, unlike our defense, which has allowed the dregs of the earth offenses to have some of their better days against (such as Carolina, Baltimore, San Fran, the Rams).

And bottom line, you said it looked like our defense gave up at the end of the game, right? Well, call me crazy, but if your team's defense gives up in tyhe 4th quarter of a one possession game or while leading, they're just as much the problem as the offense. I mean, the offense did it's job putting the Rams game away and out of reach when the defense was making that putrid offense look like it was 1999 - why couldn't they return the favor?
 
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yeah, they've played two games against teams with NFL caliber offenses and, surprise, surprise, they gave up a ton of yards and a season high in points (36 and 20) and then they played against the dregs of the league and did what decent defenses should do - continue to make them the dregs of the Earth, unlike our defense, which has allowed the dregs of the earth offenses to have some of their better days against (such as Carolina, Baltimore, San Fran, the Rams).

And bottom line, you said it looked like our defense gave up at the end of the game, right? Well, call me crazy, but if your team's defense gives up in tyhe 4th quarter of a one possession game or while leading, they're just as much the problem as the offense. I mean, the offense did it's job putting the Rams game away and out of reach when the defense was making that putrid offense look like it was 1999 - why couldn't they return the favor?


Cheese - I never attempted to suggest our defense is not a cause for concern... THEY ARE!
However, I simply believe that in the Panther game, they played will enough, long enough to have made the Smith TD a non-issue... BUt our offense couldn't take advantage of that opportunity...
 

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Cheese - I never attempted to suggest our defense is not a cause for concern... THEY ARE!
However, I simply believe that in the Panther game, they played will enough, long enough to have made the Smith TD a non-issue... BUt our offense couldn't take advantage of that opportunity...

really, so taking into consideration that the defense really gave up what should have amounted to 20 points at the 6 minutes mark (missed FG by a dead-on kicker was a stroke of luckand with that kick, they wouldn't go for two), you think giving up that many points, yardage, time to a team who up till this week couldn't run or throw the ball was well enough to win? I just don't see it - both the O and D sucked out loud.
 

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